Sandra Bland, the real mugshot!

[Conker]

Are we watching the same video?  There was no rushing up behind her.  She was stopped at a red light, and he was slowly driving up behind her.  Also, at what point was he tailgating her?  In my unprofessional opinion, it appears that he was never closer than 75-100 feet when she decided to make an illegal lane change.  Again, the only illegal activity I see in this video is from Sandra Bland.  I'm fairly confident the courts will see it that way as well.   

He wasn't tailgating her but she probably did change lane to get out of the way of a cop car. There was nothing behind in the lane she moved into so really no real need to signal anyway, her driving was neither careless nor dangerous. in the UK that wouldn't even be an offence, .

The problem only really started when the cop started infringing on the driver's rights. She asked him why she needed to put the cigarette out in her own car...If he had a good reason for that why not answer her question?

He then told her to get out of the car, to which she responded she didn't have to as she wasn't under arrest, he then informed her while she was still sitting in the car that she was under arrest....yet wouldn't tell her why when she asked several times. Aren't the police supposed to tell you what you're being arrested for at the time of arrest?

Regardless of whatever happened in custody, the police should be held responsible for her death as she should never have been in their custody in the first place.

[The_Iron_Disciple]

He wasn't tailgating her but she probably did change lane to get out of the way of a cop car. There was nothing behind in the lane she moved into so really no real need to signal anyway, her driving was neither careless nor dangerous. in the UK that wouldn't even be an offence, .

The problem only really started when the cop started infringing on the driver's rights. She asked him why she needed to put the cigarette out in her own car...If he had a good reason for that why not answer her question?

He then told her to get out of the car, to which she responded she didn't have to as she wasn't under arrest, he then informed her while she was still sitting in the car that she was under arrest....yet wouldn't tell her why when she asked several times. Aren't the police supposed to tell you what you're being arrested for at the time of arrest?

Regardless of whatever happened in custody, the police should be held responsible for her death as she should never have been in their custody in the first place.

This post sums up what I observed as well.

Twaddle ... respectfully ... rewatch the video. The officer was completely out of line. And she was very calm to start with. Many of us ( of any race ... and I can provide examples on YouTube ) would've reacted SIMILAR. Not the SAME WAY, necessarily  ... but similar in some way, shape, or form. In MY opinion.

[The_Iron_Disciple]

One thing is certain, they need to do more tests and mental evaluations before someone can be a police officer.

If a Policeman has a bad day (regardless of cause, be it problems at work, problems at home or whatnot), it can easily affect and influence his behavior when encountering an innocent or guilty citizen.

If the citizen says or does something that irritates the policeman it can easily trigger a reaction, be it excessive force or worse.

I agree 100 %. And I never agree with you lol

[Twaddle]

He wasn't tailgating her but she probably did change lane to get out of the way of a cop car. There was nothing behind in the lane she moved into so really no real need to signal anyway, her driving was neither careless nor dangerous. in the UK that wouldn't even be an offence, .

In America, you're required by law to signal when making a lane change.

The problem only really started when the cop started infringing on the driver's rights.

He never infringed on her rights.  Everything he did he was within the legal limits.

He then told her to get out of the car, to which she responded she didn't have to as she wasn't under arrest, he then informed her while she was still sitting in the car that she was under arrest....yet wouldn't tell her why when she asked several times.

She was mistaken.  If an officer gives you a lawful order to get out of your car, you're required to by law.  She was ignorant to the law. 

Aren't the police supposed to tell you what you're being arrested for at the time of arrest?

No, they do not have to tell you anything until they have the scene safe, under control, and have conducted their investigation.

Regardless of whatever happened in custody, the police should be held responsible for her death as she should never have been in their custody in the first place.

I disagree, she broke the law, was placed into custody, arrested, booked,  and then could not post bond.  This is a perfect example of how the American Judicial system works.

[SuperTed]

Both were to blame from watching the video.
Cop was smarmy and being a dick unnecessarily. The woman was rude and chippy and in doing so, was putting herself in a position where things could escalate.

[Kwon_2]

I agree 100 %. And I never agree with you lol

First time for everything! 

[Twaddle]

This post sums up what I observed as well.

Twaddle ... respectfully ... rewatch the video. The officer was completely out of line. And she was very calm to start with. Many of us ( of any race ... and I can provide examples on YouTube ) would've reacted SIMILAR. Not the SAME WAY, necessarily  ... but similar in some way, shape, or form. In MY opinion.

I've rewatched the video several times, and I don't think the officer was out of line at all.  He was very polite, and respectful, and was prepared to let her go with a "warning".  She gave him attitude (which was within her legal right), and he in turn continued his investigation at that point (which is within his legal right).  Everything the cop did in that video is legal.  The same cannot be said for Bland.  

[Twaddle]

Both were to blame from watching the video.
Cop was smarmy and being a dick unnecessarily. The woman was rude and chippy and in doing so, was putting herself in a position where things could escalate.

Agreed, cops have a very shitty job.  He started their interaction politely, and with respect.  If she would have returned the favor, she'd probably drive away with a warning.   

[Irongrip400]

She killed herself because she was depressed.  Him pulling her over and being a dick exacerbated this issue, which her family not posting her bond put the final nail in the coffin.  She was mentally unstable and hung herself. 

Cop should probably be fired, as he is not cut out for the job.  Only in the world of civil service are people rarely fired for doing a shit job.  It's probably why they get a bad wrap, and also why they are paid shitty (or, just paid according to work and skill set).

[SuperTed]

Agreed, cops have a very shitty job.  He started their interaction politely, and with respect.  If she would have returned the favor, she'd probably drive away with a warning.   

I'm just putting myself in both their positions. If I was the cop, I would have been more relaxed and "jokey" with her considering the nature of the offence. I blame the cop in that aspect.
However, if I was stopped by cops there is no way I would have acted in the manner the woman did. I would have just answered all his questions, been compliant and not giving him any attitude. And guess what? If the woman had done this than she would have bee driving back on the road 2 minutes later.

[MANGOOS]

First pic looks photoshoped, look at these black bags under her eyes. Second looks real, and who the fuck would photoshop that, a cop? Lol

[Simple Simon]

In America, you're required by law to signal when making a lane change.

I think that you will find it only applies if there is another vehicle that could be affected by your manoeuvre.

Is it a legal requirement to signal on an empty freeway, if so who are you "indicating" your movement to?

[Twaddle]

I think that you will find it only applies if there is another vehicle that could be affected by your manoeuvre.

Is it a legal requirement to signal on an empty freeway, if so who are you "indicating" your movement to?

Seems fairly clear to me.   


TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE SECTION REGARDING TURN SIGNALS

 § 545.104. Signaling Turns; Use of Turn Signals

     (a) An operator shall use the signal authorized by Section 545.106 to indicate an intention to turn, change lanes, or start from a parked position.

     (b) An operator intending to turn a vehicle right or left shall signal continuously for not less than the last 100 feet of movement of the vehicle before the turn.

[Pneumothorax]

She was probably blowing the smoke in his face.

[Twaddle]

After viewing the Sandra Bland mugshot photo, I think there is a strong possibility that Groink too was already dead when his mugshot was taken.  Check out the discrepancies in his appearance.  Emotionless expression, traps not as high, grey background.  Also, it appears that he was already in his  "striped"  jailhouse issued clothing.  Could be possible the Maricopa county sherrif's office killed him, and have been posting under his account.  

[Simple Simon]

Seems fairly clear to me.   


TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE SECTION REGARDING TURN SIGNALS

 § 545.104. Signaling Turns; Use of Turn Signals

     (a) An operator shall use the signal authorized by Section 545.106 to indicate an intention to turn, change lanes, or start from a parked position.

     (b) An operator intending to turn a vehicle right or left shall signal continuously for not less than the last 100 feet of movement of the vehicle before the turn.

Seems clear to me as well

Now, is it still a requirement if theres no one to signal to.

[Twaddle]

Seems clear to me as well

Now, is it still a requirement if theres no one to signal to.

I wouldn't think it would be necessary to signal if no one is around.  However, in Sandra's case, there were other cars around. 

[Irongrip400]

Seems clear to me as well

Now, is it still a requirement if theres no one to signal to.

I would think so, especially since there was someone following which would indicate that there was a person to signal to. I admit, the cop was a douche, but laws are laws and we can't just choose not to follow because no one is looking.

[_aj_]

Seems fairly clear to me.   


TEXAS TRANSPORTATION CODE SECTION REGARDING TURN SIGNALS

 § 545.104. Signaling Turns; Use of Turn Signals

     (a) An operator shall use the signal authorized by Section 545.106 to indicate an intention to turn, change lanes, or start from a parked position.

     (b) An operator intending to turn a vehicle right or left shall signal continuously for not less than the last 100 feet of movement of the vehicle before the turn.

Must be a Texas thing. I think that in all of the states that I have lived in (NH, FL, MA, VA and NC) signals aren't mandatory and therefore aren't to be taken as a driver's intent.

[Simple Simon]

I wouldn't think it would be necessary to signal if no one is around.  However, in Sandra's case, there were other cars around. 

Thats my point.

I haven't watched the video of the incident, I couldn't give a fuck


I do know that there was a high profile case in the UK where the police stopped a guy for not indicating and he resisted arrest.
He was found not guilty in court as the arrest was unlawful because he wasn't obligated to indicate if his manoeuvre wasn't affecting anyone.

[BigCyp]

Just out of interest, if this lady was locked in her own shed by her prankster husband for a few days, and then topped herself in the shed, is the husband a murderer?

Before you start with the jokes, I've already tried it but she got out by drilling a glory hole from the inside and offering me a BJ for the key.

After looking at the facts surrounding this suicide, I personally conclude the following:

1. The police officer is not great at people skills, but not racist/murdering/unlawful etc etc.
2. The lady was suicidal, could not post bond, and killed herself.

[Twaddle]

Just out of interest, if this lady was locked in her own shed by her prankster husband for a few days, and then topped herself in the shed, is the husband a murderer?

Before you start with the jokes, I've already tried it but she got out by drilling a glory hole from the inside and offering me a BJ for the key.

After looking at the facts surrounding this suicide, I personally conclude the following:

1. The police officer is not great at people skills, but not racist/murdering/unlawful etc etc.
2. The lady was suicidal, could not post bond, and killed herself.

This pretty much sums it up in 3 sentences.   

[240 is Back]

It's possible she actually did kill herself.   And the cops did nothing more than ignore the paperwork saying "she's on meds and admitted suicidal".  

That mugshot looks like a half-assed attempt to cover this error.  They know they're looking at lawsuits, prosecution, etc for missing the paperwork.  Writing over dates, creating a 2nd set of documents, and then a mugshot where gravity pulls face, the floor as a background, deadpan look, hair falling backwards, and wearing her jail clothes already...

Seriously fishy pic.  IMO, this is an example of a cover-up being worse than the crime (neglect on paperwork).   And of course, the police lose ALL credibility when they do this.  And of course, people will defend them with "they didn't kill her, they only faked a pic, what's the big deal?" because they don't like the dead person here.  But if it was their parent/ child/ themselves that was posed dead in a mugshot, there'd be outrage.

I don't concern with the characteristics of the victim - my concern is with police abusing their power (IF this is the case with a faked mugshot here).   If the mugshot is real, they should be shouting it from the roof top.  This looks like a very sloppy 2am cover-up job here... down to lowering brightness on her early pics so nobody can see details... shady as fcck.  

[forillagorilla]

I think that you will find it only applies if there is another vehicle that could be affected by your manoeuvre.

Is it a legal requirement to signal on an empty freeway, if so who are you "indicating" your movement to?

Do you think its legal to run a red light if there is absolutely no one else on the road? You cant be that stupid?? 
You REALLY think that traffic rules only apply when others are known to be affected? LOL
 

[Yamcha]

Why does everything have to be a conspiracy theory?
Stop smoking so much weed.