University of Cincinnati Officer Indicted in Fatal Shooting of Samuel DuBose

[Submissionfytr]

Three more interesting pieces of info released now: 1) the criminal handed the cop a pint of Gin when asked for his license. 2) the other cops were screaming "stop," "stop," indicating the vehicle was in fact moving; this is also now supported in that we now know he shot the criminal in the head, blowing it almost off, so any movement/acceleration of the car had to have occurred BEFORE the shot. 3) not just a documented gang member, a multiple felon. His own sister gave the statement tonight that due to his previous history of dozens of arrests, he had never ran. This she claims is evidence he "has no problem being arrested," so he would never try to flee (WTF, is this really her defense of this father of 10?!?  )

So we know he was driving with no license, no tags, is a documented member of the Bloods, a convicted felon with numerous arrests, would not exit the car, had a pint of Gin, tried to take off with the officers arm in the car yet. This is what we know for a fact, anything else (motives, racism, etc) is speculation.

[oldgolds]

Begin anarchy?  Are you kidding? They have been creating anarchy for 50 years all across the US with their huge crime rate....Have you ever been to the ghetto and observed their bestial behavior?   I have....

[andreisdaman]

I am a gun rights activist, but we live in a country where civilians have guns and that changes things. I'm not saying I want strict gun control, just trying to show why we may deal a bit different here.



This is the sad part. None of it matters to the dead guy in the equation. Good shoot, bad shoot, he's still dead. :/

point well taken

[Disgusted]

Three more interesting pieces of info released now: 1) the criminal handed the cop a pint of Gin when asked for his license. 2) the other cops were screaming "stop," "stop," indicating the vehicle was in fact moving; this is also now supported in that we now know he shot the criminal in the head, blowing it almost off, so any movement/acceleration of the car had to have occurred BEFORE the shot. 3) not just a documented gang member, a multiple felon. His own sister gave the statement tonight that due to his previous history of dozens of arrests, he had never ran. This she claims is evidence he "has no problem being arrested," so he would never try to flee (WTF, is this really her defense of this father of 10?!?  )

So we know he was driving with no license, no tags, is a documented member of the Bloods, a convicted felon with numerous arrests, would not exit the car, had a pint of Gin, tried to take off with the officers arm in the car yet. This is what we know for a fact, anything else (motives, racism, etc) is speculation.

The officer asked him what was in the bottle go back and listen. He wasn't driving with no tags his wife's car didn't have a front plate.

[20inch calves]

The officer asked him what was in the bottle go back and listen. He wasn't driving with no tags his wife's car didn't have a front plate.

The cops lawyer said something about the bottle containing a substance to beat drug tests.

[Disgusted]

The cops lawyer said something about the bottle containing a substance to beat drug tests.

Interesting but the bottle looked to be full and sealed. Still it wouldn't be relevant and warrant the officer shooting him in the face.

[The_Iron_Disciple]

Interesting but the bottle looked to be full and sealed. Still it wouldn't be relevant and warrant the officer shooting him in the face.

Exactly.

[240 is Back]

This is the slow motion version of the cop shooting Samuel DuBose.  The fast version is really hard to see:

The slow-mo video really tells the story clearer. Looks like he braced the driver and fired into his head when he tried opening door.  Gun was out very early with finger on trigger.   Car did NOT move until the man slumped forward missing half his dome.

The story about almost getting run over, the man dragging him - completely debunked when you play it slowly.

[_aj_]

Laughable remark.

Failing to comply only results in death if you act like a complete moron and attempt to fight at the wrong time. Any person capable of critical thinking will be able to assert that complying when interacting with officers is the correct choice, tickets can be fought in court, a gunshot to the head cannot.

To say cops don't need guns is just idiotic, as a government institution it holds the right to use force and should always have the upperhand in cases of escalation of force. As for thousands of cops around the world subduing people without deadly force, perhaps you should also consider the mentality towards police around the world is different. Look at countries like Spain, Russia, or Asian countries, people know better than to fuck with the police.

Be a smart ass in court not in the streets. You'll live longer.

I disagree with this statement and so do our country's founders.

[Disgusted]

The slow-mo video really tells the story clearer. Looks like he braced the driver and fired into his head when he tried opening door.  Gun was out very early with finger on trigger.   Car did NOT move until the man slumped forward missing half his dome.

The story about almost getting run over, the man dragging him - completely debunked when you play it slowly.

Damn the guy even had time to try and shield his face before he got shot.

[240 is Back]

Damn the guy even had time to try and shield his face before he got shot.

yep, that murder charge suddenly makes sense. 

Deadly force should be the LAST thing a cop uses.   This campus cop pulled gun with finger on trigger and really initiated the mess.  he panicked when the stop no longer went his way.

[andreisdaman]

Begin anarchy?  Are you kidding? They have been creating anarchy for 50 years all across the US with their huge crime rate....Have you ever been to the ghetto and observed their bestial behavior?   I have....

The only beast is the one in your mirror

[Royalty]

yep, that murder charge suddenly makes sense. 

Deadly force should be the LAST thing a cop uses.   This campus cop pulled gun with finger on trigger and really initiated the mess.  he panicked when the stop no longer went his way.

Yup

I think that the cop felt like the driver was stalling, and was planning on pulling out a hidden weapon.

So the cop shot first.

[_aj_]

Yup

I think that the cop felt like the driver was stalling, and was planning on pulling out a hidden weapon.

So the cop shot first.

I read a better explanation recently. Accidental discharge. Cop produced his weapon, but forgot the part about taking his booger-hook off the trigger. With his left hand, he was reaching for the keys to the car. When he clenched his hands around the keys, there is a high-stress sympathetic response in the right hand. With his finger on the trigger, he discharged the weapon.

If true, he's still wrong for introducing the gun in what appears to be a non-lethal encounter. LEOs have different rules than the rest if us, though.

I would mention that the ability to keep one's finger off the trigger in a high-stress situation is PURELY a training matter and it is doubtful that a college PD has the training resources for that.

[Irongrip400]

It's not an indictment against LE as a whole if this dude is prosecuted. There are good cops and not so good cops, who when they fuck up should be held accountable. In this case, his fuck up ended in someone dying, and he should be held accountable. I think both sides, the extreme ones, can't see this. They either think cops are infallible or are criminals.

[oldgolds]

Another one.  I keep wondering when blacks will unify & begin anarchy?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/30/us/university-of-cincinnati-officer-indicted-in-shooting-death-of-motorist.html

Documented gang member...Arrested dozens of times...no drivers licence...no front plate...drives off in the middle of the stop...When will Blacks enter civilized society and follow simple rules?

[_aj_]

Documented gang member...Arrested dozens of times...no drivers licence...no front plate...drives off in the middle of the stop...When will Blacks enter civilized society and follow simple rules?

All true, but not capital crimes.

I am no liberal, for sure. But soon, it won't be just blacks being killed by a militarized police for no reason.

[Walter Sobchak]

Documented gang member...Arrested dozens of times...no drivers licence...no front plate...drives off in the middle of the stop...When will Blacks enter civilized society and follow simple rules?

Arrested over 70 times, known drug dealer, gang member, and fathered 13 kids.

Live within the rules of a lawful society or.......good riddance.

[The True Adonis]

Jesus fuck christ.

You know how all of these can be avoided?  If you just comply with the officer, answer his questions without incriminating yourself if you have to, be respectful, make your hands visible at all times, keep them on the steering wheel, if the officer orders you out of the vehicle, you get out.

Any issues can be solved in court and by notifying Internal Affairs should you need to.

ALL of these could be avoided.

But no, we have segment of the population that does not understand the occupation of Law Enforcement and how to obey the law.

[Schnauzer]

Sam DuBose was shot and killed by University of Cincinnati police officer Ray Tensing on July 19. The police officer charged with murder and arraigned on a $1 million bond, claims he fired his gun at DuBose in self-defense. Not much is known about DuBose other than a few details shared by his family at a press conference and what the country witnessed on Tensing’s body cam recording leading up to the fatal shooting.

Samuel DuBose was reportedly arrested 75 times over the course of his life. None of the charges were reportedly for violent crime. Relatives and friends describe DuBose as “peaceful,” “fragile” and “frail.” During a brief interview after the shooting with his son, the boy told the media that his dad has “more than 12 children.” DuBose reportedly has 13 children.

According to court records shared via WCPO News, Sam DuBose was charged with driving without a license 13 times between 1995 and 2009. He was charged reportedly with driving without a license plate on his vehicle four times during dates, and he was charged with driving under suspension between 2005 and 2011 a total of eight times.

Amazing how he could support his 13 kids without a job

[Kwon_2]

Begin anarchy?  Are you kidding? They have been creating anarchy for 50 years all across the US with their huge crime rate....Have you ever been to the ghetto and observed their bestial behavior?   I have....

Point well taken.

[Irongrip400]

It's not an indictment against LE as a whole if this dude is prosecuted. There are good cops and not so good cops, who when they fuck up should be held accountable. In this case, his fuck up ended in someone dying, and he should be held accountable. I think both sides, the extreme ones, can't see this. They either think cops are infallible or are criminals.

[240 is Back]

Documented gang member...Arrested dozens of times...no drivers licence...no front plate...drives off in the middle of the stop...When will Blacks enter civilized society and follow simple rules?

doesn't matter if the victim had a record a mile long.   Arrest his ass for the license and put him in jail.  Dont shoot him in face.

[Deacon Jeschin]

Three more interesting pieces of info released now: 1) the criminal handed the cop a pint of Gin when asked for his license. 2) the other cops were screaming "stop," "stop," indicating the vehicle was in fact moving; this is also now supported in that we now know he shot the criminal in the head, blowing it almost off, so any movement/acceleration of the car had to have occurred BEFORE the shot. 3) not just a documented gang member, a multiple felon. His own sister gave the statement tonight that due to his previous history of dozens of arrests, he had never ran. This she claims is evidence he "has no problem being arrested," so he would never try to flee (WTF, is this really her defense of this father of 10?!?  )

So we know he was driving with no license, no tags, is a documented member of the Bloods, a convicted felon with numerous arrests, would not exit the car, had a pint of Gin, tried to take off with the officers arm in the car yet. This is what we know for a fact, anything else (motives, racism, etc) is speculation.

Your use of the word "criminal" is inaccurate.... 

The only criminal in this story happens to have the charge of murder attached to him.  Makes that old "documented gang member" tag you mentioned seem like a parking ticket.  Hahahahaha  Documented gang member....lol

[SquidVicious]

doesn't matter if the victim had a record a mile long.   Arrest his ass for the license and put him in jail.  Dont shoot him in face.

How exactly does one arrest a non-compliant Hebrew these days? When he refuses to hand over his license or get out of his car, does one just say pretty please with peanut butter and jelly on it? Because you can't taser him, grab him around the neck, shoot him if he charges at you, shoot him if he runs, shoot him if he tries to run you over, or throw him in the back of a police van without making sure he's in the child safety seat.