Dr. Ben Carson, vs. Evolution

[Wiggs]

I am not even going to debate the top part with you, because we all know where it will lead to.

As for the second part, the fact that humans lived before germ theory has absolutely nothing to do with that fact that everywhere you look is science--your computer, your medicine, your car, your cell phone, medical instruments and devices, etc. To say science cant explain shit is stupid, even coming from you    

Dude, stay within the context of the conversation. You know I'm talking about God and creationism.  As I stated, THE BIG QUESTIONS.

Reading comprehension.

[SF1900]

Dude, stay within the context of the conversation. You know I'm talking about God and creationism.  As I stated, THE BIG QUESTIONS.

Reading comprehension.

What one considers a BIG QUESTION is relative to the person.

But I get what you mean. I was nitpicking. 

[doison]

I wonder if he doesn't believe in MRSA?

[Necrosis]

Dude, stay within the context of the conversation. You know I'm talking about God and creationism.  As I stated, THE BIG QUESTIONS.

Reading comprehension.

You should go to school.

A theory isn't what you think it is, it's a collection of facts, a theory best explains these facts. Gravity is but a theory, things will fall when dropped, the theory of gravity explains why.

Evolution is one of the most heavily supported theories in all of science, it has mountains of facts, from different branchs, like geology, genetics, morphology etc.

With evolution we can make predictions, we can explain odd behaviours, make corrections and use it to our advantage, ie using rapid life cycle species to test generational effects, disease processes etc.

The big bang isn't what you think it is either. it's a fact that the universe started from a single point, this is evidenced in the background radiation, redshift and the expansion of the universe. Math is factual and logical, like 2 +2 =4, in the same sense, the math used to calculate the beginning of the universe postulates a single rapid expansion, a singularity.

[f450]

it really worries me that they are people around me that believe that theres a being that controls the universe and can tell them what to do. I mean people that say God told me to do x y z... very disconcerting.

Does this bother anybody else?

[Twaddle]

There is so much stupidity in this thread it's unreal.   

[Teutonic Knight]

Evolution doesn't say we came from apes. We share a common ancestry with apes.

That is a world of difference!!

I like monkeys , they jump around  

[dr.chimps]

You should go to school.

A theory isn't what you think it is, it's a collection of facts, a theory best explains these facts. Gravity is but a theory, things will fall when dropped, the theory of gravity explains why.

Evolution is one of the most heavily supported theories in all of science, it has mountains of facts, from different branchs, like geology, genetics, morphology etc.

With evolution we can make predictions, we can explain odd behaviours, make corrections and use it to our advantage, ie using rapid life cycle species to test generational effects, disease processes etc.

The big bang isn't what you think it is either. it's a fact that the universe started from a single point, this is evidenced in the background radiation, redshift and the expansion of the universe. Math is factual and logical, like 2 +2 =4, in the same sense, the math used to calculate the beginning of the universe postulates a single rapid expansion, a singularity.

OUCH! Science. 

[240 is Back]

Ben Carson conducted fetal tissue research as a doctor — which he now opposes as GOP candidate

Rpublican presidential candidate Ben Carson, a neurosurgeon and abortion foe, previously conducted research using human fetal tissue — which he has spoken out against as recently as last month.

Carson told Fox News on July 16 that research on human fetal tissue offered little value to medical science after hidden-camera videos were released by anti-abortion activists that appear to show Planned Parenthood doctors discussing how to provide aborted fetuses to scientists.

But science blogger Jen Gunter revealed Wednesday that Carson and three colleagues used tissue from the fetal brain and nasal cavity in a 1992 study on how the brain develops, reported Buzzfeed.

According to the research study, those tissues were obtained from two fetuses aborted at the ninth and 17th weeks of gestation — at which point, Carson recently said, they should be considered human beings.

“At 17 weeks, you’ve got a nice little nose and little fingers and hands and the heart’s beating,” Carson told Fox News host Megyn Kelly. “It can respond to environmental stimulus. How can you believe that that’s just an irrelevant mass of cells? That’s what they want you to believe, when in fact it is a human being.”

[Melkor]

Have you considered it's you?  And I mean that in the least disrespectful way possible. Think about it. For all of known history people have worshiped Gods now all of a sudden people like you come along make a decision to not believe in God based on nothing.  The West has went from believers, to non believers and if you ask the non believers for proof, they'll give you the Big Bang THEORY or the THEORY of evolution.  There is not been 1 single shred of evidence ever proving this and there never will be. You've been brain washed and fight to continue to stay brainwashed to satisfy your worldly lusts. It's easier and more fun to not believe in God.  It's also very lazy.  Because I bet there are very, very few of you if any that have legitimately researched yours and other religions.  Why?  Well if you're an American you're fucked from birth with vaccines, GMO baby food, fluoridated water, television, consumerism, violence, sex, drugs, racism, greed, lust, alternative life styles, alternative genders, multiculturalism, political correctness, obesity, paganism, occultism, indoctrination, via trends, fashion, television, media, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, greed, greed, greed, slothfulness, mental laziness, and much more.  You don't even know it's happening because it is this western reality. And were so overworked and have a mentality of chasing the dollar, unless it is a pastime, most won't put any effort into their faith. You just repeat what is popular.  the religion of athiesm is constantly moving.  It's like an amorphous blob of ideas that's constantly shifting and changing to as new evidence comes out.  

There are numerous examples of evolution that have been studied and quantified such as Darwin's finches and Italian Wall lizards.

And for very conclusive evidence of natural selection read into the work of Richard Lenski and his research lab. Briefly, he took 12 populations of E. coli bacteria and tracked genetic changes that occurred within each population exposed to various environmental conditions over generations (over 60,000 generations to date). They have effectively shown how the genetic make-up of each population has changed (evolved) over time. This is the basis of speciation (all populations started out as genetically identical strains and there now exists significantly different genetic strains between populations). This is essentially "proof" of evolution on a small scale.

[Papper]

Perhaps one kind of human evolved on the side that is incapable of understanding the concept of evolution and still relies on believing in witchcraft/sun gods etc 

[240 is Back]

Most on here went to liberal schools. They're not going to use reasoning and especially use any commonsense. When ever there's a thread like this the liberal atheists can't wait to pile on, call names, etc. Book smart...derp.

You're right, Coach.

Ben Carson went to liberal-ass yale.  Then he did research on aborted babies, used their cells for research.

THEN, as recently as a month ago, he spoke out against it.  Typical liberal behavior. 

[Parker]

it really worries me that they are people around me that believe that theres a being that controls the universe and can tell them what to do. I mean people that say God told me to do x y z... very disconcerting.

Does this bother anybody else?

You know, That Being told you to write that, don't you?

[SF1900]

You're right, Coach.

Ben Carson went to liberal-ass yale.  Then he did research on aborted babies, used their cells for research.

THEN, as recently as a month ago, he spoke out against it.  Typical liberal behavior. 

haha OMG!! Yes, Yale is located in Liberal Northeast. Carson hates liberals so much, but he didnt mind going to a liberal school (Yale).

[240 is Back]

Carson also went to mich state, which conservative groups have rated as VERY FAR LEFT.
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2010/10/hail_to_the_liberals_conservat.html

Let's face it, Carson got his entire education at liberal school, did experiments on aborted babies, and is now pretending to be conservative.

haha OMG!! Yes, Yale is located in Liberal Northeast. Carson hates liberals so much, but he didnt mind going to a liberal school (Yale).

[SF1900]

Carson also went to mich state, which conservative groups have rated as VERY FAR LEFT.
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2010/10/hail_to_the_liberals_conservat.html

Let's face it, Carson got his entire education at liberal school, did experiments on aborted babies, and is now pretending to be conservative.

He hates liberal universities so much that he went to Yale to give a lecture to medical students.

http://news.yale.edu/2012/06/07/alumnus-ben-carson-honors-young-scholars-shares-wisdom-graduating-doctors

When world-renowned pediatric neurosurgeon Dr. Benjamin S. Carson came to the Yale campus on May 21 to deliver the Yale School of Medicine commencement address, he also had another important piece of business to attend to in New Haven.

In before the republicans on getbig say, "hahaha lol, look at all the liberals melting down" or "hahah, I own the minds of liberals and atheists on this board" or "haha lol liberals and atheists are so stupid."

[240 is Back]

Carson went to 2 liberal schools - Mich state and Yale.  Two of the most liberal, actually.

Then he did these terrible things.

[The_Punisher]

Are you saying we dont share a common ancestry with apes? 

has Science finally Agreed on where Human Beings came from? (not counting the senseless, never ending, typical discussions that's been going on for centuries)

[SF1900]

has Science finally Agreed on where Human Beings came from? (not counting the senseless, never ending, typical discussions that's been going on for centuries)

I don't know, but whether or not they agree, its better than saying, "Man came from God. End of story" 

[Papper]

I don't know, but whether or not they agree, its better than saying, "Man came from God. End of story"  

No no, until there is conclusive evidence of exactly how evolution have occured it's just a old hocus pocus story that has been discussed forever.

So obviously a 2000 year old religion verified in a book is the only real truth for now  

[Coach is Back!]

You're right, Coach.

Ben Carson went to liberal-ass yale.  Then he did research on aborted babies, used their cells for research.

THEN, as recently as a month ago, he spoke out against it.  Typical liberal behavior. 

Yet he was smart enough to draw his own conclusions and make his own decisions instead of having on the brainwashed teachings of liberal professors. You should change your name to strawman. You're one sided.

[Dokey111]

Just because you believe or even concede that this may have all been created, it doesn't mean that the creator has anything to do with it's creations.  That's where people get stupid.

[The True Adonis]

Evolution doesn't say we came from apes. We share a common ancestry with apes.

That is a world of difference!!

Actually we are apes, the fifth ape to be exact.

[SF1900]

Yet he was smart enough to draw his own conclusions and make his own decisions instead of having on the brainwashed teachings of liberal professors. You should change your name to strawman. You're one sided.

No, he has not made up his own decision. He still visits Yale to make speeches (in 2012-2013, he visited Yale Medical school and gave a speech. And I bet he still donates to Yale). If he was SO against liberal universities and stem cell research and abortions (Yale is in favor of abortion and stem cell research.), he would not visit there. He would exclusively speak at Christian or affiliated universities.

Plain and simple, he is a hypocrite.

Heck, Yale has The Stem Cell Center

http://stemcell.yale.edu/

ps - youre as one sided as 240 is. You will not bend to anything that is not religion or republican. I have never seen you ONCE here concede to a liberal or atheist viewpoint. NOT ONCE!!! You're just as bad as 240, if not worse. Pot meet kettle.

[The True Adonis]

Coach, it's entirely possible to believe in a God/creator... and at the same time believe in some science too.

Carson knows what he's doing - He's saying what the anti-science base of the party wants to believe.

Carson is also a brain surgeon - he could probably lecture for 10 straight hours on the evolution of the brain - he knows full well there were humans on this planet for a million years.


It's kinda like not telling a kid you're taking him for a flu shot until you actually sit down for the shot.  He's immature, he'll kick and cry.  That's the base.  Better to just pat them on the head and nod along with their anti-science idiocy, win the job, and manage them well, as carson is attempting to do.

Coach, it's possible to 1) support Carson 2) understand he's just pandering to get votes.

They all do it.  

No he can't.

He is a moron actually.  Good at following directions.  No idea why people confuse and conflate intelligence with being a surgeon or a doctor.  I know many doctors who are pretty stupid actually.  One I know, who is considered one of the best cardiologists around, is also a young earth creationist and thinks that god guides his surgeries.  Scary shit to be in the care of someone like that in my opinion. Luckily, they aren't the ones doing the actual research.