HGH for Life?

[Bulgarian_enforcer]

Hi Guys,

It's my first time posting here. I am 29 years old, 230 pounds, around 8-10% fat.

I have started pharma GH (Genotropin from Pfizer) in march 2014. I was doing 4UI ED till Oct. 2014, then i went up to 6 UI ED and have been shooting it thus far.

I did 3 AAS (mainly 600 mg EQ  EW /150 mg test EW,  since I am doing combat sports combined with weight training)cycles in the meantime and went from 200 pounds with 10-12% BF to my current stats.

I want to keep using GH forever is that possible or I risk to have some serious health problems?

Regards,

BE

[Jizmo]

beginner forum this way ---->
you shouldve informed yourself about the possible ill effects BEFORE jumping on too.

but to add something productive...
left ventricular hypertrophy (especially paired with AAS), insulin resistance, carpal tunnel syndrome
all dose dependant

[Bulgarian_enforcer]

I do blood work every 6 months. My lipids are fine, blood sugar is also in range and I have no CTS. Only my ALT is high, but that's no biggie.

Feeling healthy and strong so far.

I plan to go on 2UI for 3 months during the winter, combined with peptides. Just thought there are some vets who have been on GH for years. Consequently, I wanted to gain from their experience.

I don't consider myself a beginner. Jizmo, what is your experience with GH???

[pellius]

There's use and abuse. When your body's production of Test and gh goes down your body starts to degrade as well. Replacement dose is healthy. For gh it's around 2iu/day. But at your age that's not going to do much. If you are looking to exceed your natural potential then 6 iu is a good dose. Pros are at 15-30ius/day. But it's not for life and it's still not healthy.

[Bulgarian_enforcer]

Thanks for the reply, Pelius. I have been on 6UI for almost a year now. Did not have any bad sides except from small skeletal growth in the head, hands and feet, which I consider to be positive.

My main dilemma is whether to do 6UI all non-stop (for now money is no issue and I have goo source) or to go off/taper off the GH when I do my winter AAS cycle for around 2-3 months?

Another way I can do it is to be on 4UI year round.

I love GH. It made all my previous injuries go away, which benefited me greatly in my striking and wrestling activities. Furthermore, I can eat tons of shit and still be lean.

That's why I hope to never come off completely if my health allows it.

[pellius]

Thanks for the reply, Pelius. I have been on 6UI for almost a year now. Did not have any bad sides except from small skeletal growth in the head, hands and feet, which I consider to be positive.

My main dilemma is whether to do 6UI all non-stop (for now money is no issue and I have goo source) or to go off/taper off the GH when I do my winter AAS cycle for around 2-3 months?

Another way I can do it is to be on 4UI year round.

I love GH. It made all my previous injuries go away, which benefited me greatly in my striking and wrestling activities. Furthermore, I can eat tons of shit and still be lean.

That's why I hope to never come off completely if my health allows it.

At your age you don't need a maintenance dose of HGH. Remember, there are many things an athlete does that simulates more HGH production than the average Joe. High intensity training, as long as your blood sugar isn't high (so no gatorade or sugar base drinks while training as high blood sugar suppresses HGH production), stimulates HGH production.

So I would not take any HGH unless you are blasting and are on AAS. You can increase your caloric intake much more without getting fat if you are on HGH. In fact, if you combine HGH with at least 500mg/wk of Tren A plus balls to the wall training you can really pound the calories and still stay pretty lean.

I'm not sure what level you are at but an intermediate cycle would look something like this.

6iu HGH
100 mcg T4
500mg/wk Tren A
900mg/wk EQ
1000mg/wk Test Cyp/Enan
Orals in and out (6-8wks on/4 wks off)
(100-150mg drol/50-100mg dbol)
This depends on what level you are at in which case you would increase the dosage. A friend who isn't quite national level but is getting there is at 700mg Tren, 1500mg EQ, 2-3 grams Test plus orals.

Now I'll brace myself for the comments about how if someone needs that much gear and is still not NPC should take of golfing.

[Jizmo]

i think becoming a 300lbs beast with what you describe there would not really make him a better combative sportsman
i guess hes doing it for the injury healing purposes, not to become a huffing and puffing ragdoll in the ring

[Bulgarian_enforcer]

Thanks for the cycle suggestion, Pellius. However, Jizmo is right, I dont want to move up in weight cause of cardio problems. Moreover, I don't use more than a gram of AAS per week for that reason (definitely no tren, which kills my air). The AAS I use are test prop, EQ, sometimes Deca, and Halo if I manage to find some.

My main concern is whether is it OK to use 6UI of pharma GH year round or I have to take breaks by stopping gh/tapering off gh and/or using peptides/AAS in the off time?

I just dont want to get organ enlargement or some other major health concern. So far GH made me healthier individual: my nails, hair teeth and skin look way better than before. I also got rid of old injuries, which were hurting my performance.

Eating KFC and staying with abs is also nice.

[lilhawk1]

Keep using the GH year round, there is nothing like pharm grade GH.  Just get blood work done now and then, and if all is good no need to stop.  Been on Serostim for 2 years straight, labs perfect, at 4 iu per day. 

[tatoo]

some wealthy fellas here in this thread!!

[Bulgarian_enforcer]

Thx, lilhawk. I will keep using. Pharma GH in the long run is definitely a game changer.

[Jenetics]

As Jizmo has already touched on, I would say, and through experience, that the biggest issue here is left ventricular hypertrophy. I have been on hGH for about 6 years straight in conjunction with steroids. I recently had appendicitis. When the paramedics gave me an ECG, they initially thought I might be having a heart attack, then quickly realised that the ECG actually showed LVH. I intend to take 6 months off hGH, have another ECG and see where I stand. I have read a study that showed that the heart does in fact shrink down to size during a good washout period.

There is then the debate as to whether LVH is actually dangerous. Many athletes, particularly endurance athletes get this condition and it is argued that it is the body's natural adaptation to the increased demand put on the heart through training. Still, I'm very keen to find out whether hGH was the culprit in my case. I strongly suspect so.

I have also have slight issues with my systolic blood pressure. Typical blood pressure for me is 145/70, so I have systolic hypertension. I'm not sure whether this is related to LVH.

[Bulgarian_enforcer]

As Jizmo has already touched on, I would say, and through experience, that the biggest issue here is left ventricular hypertrophy. I have been on hGH for about 6 years straight in conjunction with steroids. I recently had appendicitis. When the paramedics gave me an ECG, they initially thought I might be having a heart attack, then quickly realised that the ECG actually showed LVH. I intend to take 6 months off hGH, have another ECG and see where I stand. I have read a study that showed that the heart does in fact shrink down to size during a good washout period.

There is then the debate as to whether LVH is actually dangerous. Many athletes, particularly endurance athletes get this condition and it is argued that it is the body's natural adaptation to the increased demand put on the heart through training. Still, I'm very keen to find out whether hGH was the culprit in my case. I strongly suspect so.

I have also have slight issues with my systolic blood pressure. Typical blood pressure for me is 145/70, so I have systolic hypertension. I'm not sure whether this is related to LVH.

Thx for sharing your expetience Jenetics! Hope your problem goes away after your time off.

What doses were you using GH wise during the last 6 years?

[pellius]

i think becoming a 300lbs beast with what you describe there would not really make him a better combative sportsman
i guess hes doing it for the injury healing purposes, not to become a huffing and puffing ragdoll in the ring

Good point and you are completely right. I completely forgot that he doesn't want to be a bber. My bad.

In that case I would stay on indefinitely if he can afford it. 4-5ius/day

[pellius]

Keep using the GH year round, there is nothing like pharm grade GH.  Just get blood work done now and then, and if all is good no need to stop.  Been on Serostim for 2 years straight, labs perfect, at 4 iu per day. 

This ^^^^^^

[pellius]

Thanks for the cycle suggestion, Pellius. However, Jizmo is right, I dont want to move up in weight cause of cardio problems. Moreover, I don't use more than a gram of AAS per week for that reason (definitely no tren, which kills my air). The AAS I use are test prop, EQ, sometimes Deca, and Halo if I manage to find some.

My main concern is whether is it OK to use 6UI of pharma GH year round or I have to take breaks by stopping gh/tapering off gh and/or using peptides/AAS in the off time?

I just dont want to get organ enlargement or some other major health concern. So far GH made me healthier individual: my nails, hair teeth and skin look way better than before. I also got rid of old injuries, which were hurting my performance.

Eating KFC and staying with abs is also nice.

You're right. I was wrong. And yes, stay away from tren.

[pellius]

As Jizmo has already touched on, I would say, and through experience, that the biggest issue here is left ventricular hypertrophy. I have been on hGH for about 6 years straight in conjunction with steroids. I recently had appendicitis. When the paramedics gave me an ECG, they initially thought I might be having a heart attack, then quickly realised that the ECG actually showed LVH. I intend to take 6 months off hGH, have another ECG and see where I stand. I have read a study that showed that the heart does in fact shrink down to size during a good washout period.

There is then the debate as to whether LVH is actually dangerous. Many athletes, particularly endurance athletes get this condition and it is argued that it is the body's natural adaptation to the increased demand put on the heart through training. Still, I'm very keen to find out whether hGH was the culprit in my case. I strongly suspect so.

I have also have slight issues with my systolic blood pressure. Typical blood pressure for me is 145/70, so I have systolic hypertension. I'm not sure whether this is related to LVH.

All life long athletes will have LVH to some degree whether they are enhanced or not.

[Bulgarian_enforcer]

You're right. I was wrong. And yes, stay away from tren.

Thx for the input. I will keep it as it is 6UI ed and look at blood every once in few months.

I am getting some small mutation going, which I enjoy so far. My wrist have grown by a inch so are my ankles.

I have come from a light heavyweight to a heavyweight and lost some fat in the process.

Bobybuilng is also in my blood. I want to look freaky but still be efective when is time to dance.

[Jenetics]

Thx for sharing your expetience Jenetics! Hope your problem goes away after your time off.

What doses were you using GH wise during the last 6 years?

My doses have varied considerably over the years, but I probably averaged around 4iu. I must say, I don't believe I reaped huge rewards from the hgh. I never used pharma grade though, mostly hygertropin and Chinese blue / yellow tops. I am leaner now I'm actually off the hgh. Currently 8% bf at around 93kg. Perhaps if I were to use again I will try pharma grade.

[Mad-scientist]

Life is a long time to take hgh for thats for sure. Id at least see what type of gains you can get cycling it before hopping on for life. You say your experiencing mutations of about a inch of bone growth i would just take a wild guess and say thats not good for you. In my opinion when you get a whole bunch of body builders talking about something in a forum together they tend to feed off each other and not always think about the long term effects. I personally think you should cycle it and get blood work regularly. Plus hgh for life will get expensive and you will eventually reach a cap on what its going to do for you. Obviously this isnt the popular opinion im expressing but i just think you should do more research on hgh and try to find some clinical studies or something. No matter which way you look at it though taking 6 iu's a day of hgh is going to be bad for you if you do it for years on end. Unless your making money off your physique i wouldnt do hgh for years and years on end its not worth it.

[Mad-scientist]

I dont think there is any problem with TRT or replacing your hgh when your older with healthy amounts though when your body needs it.

[pellius]

Life is a long time to take hgh for thats for sure. Id at least see what type of gains you can get cycling it before hopping on for life. You say your experiencing mutations of about a inch of bone growth i would just take a wild guess and say thats not good for you. In my opinion when you get a whole bunch of body builders talking about something in a forum together they tend to feed off each other and not always think about the long term effects. I personally think you should cycle it and get blood work regularly. Plus hgh for life will get expensive and you will eventually reach a cap on what its going to do for you. Obviously this isnt the popular opinion im expressing but i just think you should do more research on hgh and try to find some clinical studies or something. No matter which way you look at it though taking 6 iu's a day of hgh is going to be bad for you if you do it for years on end. Unless your making money off your physique i wouldnt do hgh for years and years on end its not worth it.

Again, there's a difference between use and abuse. 2-3 units is maintenance dose and should be used for life. HGH becomes more important for health, fitness and quality of life as you get older simply because you start to produce less of it as the years wear on.

HGH is primarily responsible for growth and repair. Aging is your body losing the ability to repair itself and one of the reasons for that is that you stop producing HGH in your advance years.

A lifetime of beyond maintenance dosages, and  6 ius is beyond maintenance, is bound to catch up with you. When you retire from competitive sports then drop it to 2-3 ius. But don't stop. There's a reason why people like Stallone, Norris and Madonna look like they do and can do things that people their age cannot do even if they exercise regularly.

HGH is the closest thing we have now to the fountain of youth

[Bulgarian_enforcer]

My doses have varied considerably over the years, but I probably averaged around 4iu. I must say, I don't believe I reaped huge rewards from the hgh. I never used pharma grade though, mostly hygertropin and Chinese blue / yellow tops. I am leaner now I'm actually off the hgh. Currently 8% bf at around 93kg. Perhaps if I were to use again I will try pharma grade.

Thx for the info, Jenetics. I am very pleased with my results so far that's why I don't want to stop if possible. However, my common sense is telling me that staying year round with very high IGF levels might be risky not only beneficial. That's why i created this account and topic. I have read tons of information on HGH and AAS in my spare time but real experience beats anything.

[Bulgarian_enforcer]

Again, there's a difference between use and abuse. 2-3 units is maintenance dose and should be used for life. HGH becomes more important for health, fitness and quality of life as you get older simply because you start to produce less of it as the years wear on.

HGH is primarily responsible for growth and repair. Aging is your body losing the ability to repair itself and one of the reasons for that is that you stop producing HGH in your advance years.

A lifetime of beyond maintenance dosages, and  6 ius is beyond maintenance, is bound to catch up with you. When you retire from competitive sports then drop it to 2-3 ius. But don't stop. There's a reason why people like Stallone, Norris and Madonna look like they do and can do things that people their age cannot do even if they exercise regularly.

HGH is the closest thing we have now to the fountain of youth

Appreciate the input. Do you thing that going on maintenance dose for 2-3-6 months a year might be beneficial in avoiding organ growth, blood sugar problems, BP, etc?

Or I can just go off during one of my AAS cycles and start again during pct?

I just want to keep the gains in size and strength but do not want to get greedy with HGH and burnout during the long run. HGH helped me keep AAS gains during the time I used it and become bigger individual permanently. Healed injuries and all you can eat diet is also nice. Do not want to give that up if I do not have to.

[pellius]

Appreciate the input. Do you thing that going on maintenance dose for 2-3-6 months a year might be beneficial in avoiding organ growth, blood sugar problems, BP, etc?

Or I can just go off during one of my AAS cycles and start again during pct?

I just want to keep the gains in size and strength but do not want to get greedy with HGH and burnout during the long run. HGH helped me keep AAS gains during the time I used it and become bigger individual permanently. Healed injuries and all you can eat diet is also nice. Do not want to give that up if I do not have to.