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Re: Anyone use roids and just not get out what u thiugh u would?
« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2015, 11:48:03 AM »
who the fuck cares, 2 weeks off 16 weeks is nothing
and you DO notice changes within 4 weeks on test E, smartass.
Sorry bud,didn`t mean to come off as an asshole........I apologize.   ;)

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Re: Anyone use roids and just not get out what u thiugh u would?
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2015, 11:59:48 AM »
Sorry bud,didn`t mean to come off as an asshole........I apologize.   ;)
apologize for calling you a smartass too then, lol

we all get the getbig forum rage here and there  :D

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Re: Anyone use roids and just not get out what u thiugh u would?
« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2015, 12:08:45 PM »
bullshit, even if you inject test E only once a week you have pretty much peak levels in your blood after 2 weeks

i dont know where the fuck these myths come from  ::)

www.steroidplot.com
hormones act in various ways... some fast some slow...

testosterone begins a cascade of events that don't simply "finish" once your blood levels of some drug are "stable."


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Re: Anyone use roids and just not get out what u thiugh u would?
« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2015, 12:09:38 PM »
apologize for calling you a smartass too then, lol

we all get the getbig forum rage here and there  :D
Yes we do!   ;)

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Re: Anyone use roids and just not get out what u thiugh u would?
« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2015, 12:13:48 PM »
Overall not impressed, maybe i just dont have the genetics for this shit.

I think I told you that 6 months ago.  Could've saved some $.

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Re: Anyone use roids and just not get out what u thiugh u would?
« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2015, 12:19:23 PM »
hormones act in various ways... some fast some slow...

testosterone begins a cascade of events that don't simply "finish" once your blood levels of some drug are "stable."


well, true, but the "obvious" effects (=instantly noticable) are increases in glycogen/water retention and protein synthesis and these correspond to blood levels of testosterone. the effects on DNA transcription/translation and protein metabolism dont take weeks to occur, theyre a pretty instant reaction to increased testosterone levels

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Re: Anyone use roids and just not get out what u thiugh u would?
« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2015, 12:56:35 PM »
that being said, cutting on gear is A FUCKING WASTE OF TIME for beginners/ the first 2-3 cycles imo
what you are doing IS cutting / reverse dieting. makes no sense. you wont gain fat if you up your kcals by 1000 a day right now, instantly. lots of water/glycogen, yes. fat, no.
you dont gain shit if calories are low, and certainly not with beginner dosages

cutting on gear yields extremely unimpressive results compared to bulking with gear for beginners, unless you hit the tren right from the start

I disagree on the cutting on gear part. Maybe you retain muscle easily on a cut but personally, as a natural i simply shrink and my strengh completly sinks when calories get restricted.
To me it makes the most sense blasting the more gear on a big caloric deficit, yes you wont gain muscle (maybe a tiny bit tho) but you will lose fat FAST and without losing muscle tissue or strengh (both are related imo..). You are a bit "flat" but the muscle stays from the gear. The drugs also enhance fat loss, makes you less tired, more stamina for cardio or fast paced workouts.

To me gear is MANDATORY when cutting. I would never diet severly if not on anabolics.

Growing takes gear too but most importantly progress in the gym and lots of calories.

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Re: Anyone use roids and just not get out what u thiugh u would?
« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2015, 01:26:50 PM »
Sorry bud,didn`t mean to come off as an asshole........I apologize.   ;)

apologize for calling you a smartass too then, lol

we all get the getbig forum rage here and there  :D


You're both assholes and smart-asses.



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Re: Anyone use roids and just not get out what u thiugh u would?
« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2015, 01:33:19 PM »
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Re: Anyone use roids and just not get out what u thiugh u would?
« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2015, 01:53:39 PM »
I disagree on the cutting on gear part. Maybe you retain muscle easily on a cut but personally, as a natural i simply shrink and my strengh completly sinks when calories get restricted.
To me it makes the most sense blasting the more gear on a big caloric deficit, yes you wont gain muscle (maybe a tiny bit tho) but you will lose fat FAST and without losing muscle tissue or strengh (both are related imo..). You are a bit "flat" but the muscle stays from the gear. The drugs also enhance fat loss, makes you less tired, more stamina for cardio or fast paced workouts.

To me gear is MANDATORY when cutting. I would never diet severly if not on anabolics.

Growing takes gear too but most importantly progress in the gym and lots of calories.

completely agree, but thats why i said for beginners/naturals
i mean put a 2 year natural lifter with average genetics and physique development on a cycle of 500mg test on a cutting diet
nothings gonna happen except for the fact that he wont lose muscle and maybe lose fat a tiny bit faster

put the same guy on 500mg test on a bulking diet and hell blow the fuck up and gain at least 20lbs within a few weeks

thats why i said for a beginner steroids and low calories are a waste of time

now if you have an advanced lifter who regularly blasts and cruises in between or someone whos well above his natural genetic limit and tries to cut naturally or on low dosages... obviously hes gonna lose a fuckton of muscle...

if youre 200lbs 10% bodyfat and looking to cut down to shredded mode then you need a ton of AAS to not lose muscle
but if youre the average 180 lbs 15% bodyfat recreational steroid user then cutting on gear is a waste of time

and lets be real here, most people are no more than at best 180lbs soaking wet and a blubbery 15% bodyfat when first touching AAS.

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Re: Anyone use roids and just not get out what u thiugh u would?
« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2015, 01:53:54 PM »
I was never a good responder. ....

Right now I'm on a TRT type program of 200mg/wk of Test and 300mg/wk of Deca....

Part of being genetically gifted as a bber is not just response to training but response to gear.

lol are you serious?!. 200mg and 300mg/week test deca is a TRT dose?!

thats about 50x more than TRT dose.

TRT doses average out to about 8-15 mg/week of test.

i used less than your TRT dose even when 'on'...




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« Reply #36 on: September 08, 2015, 01:56:38 PM »
TRT doses average out to about 8-15 mg/week of test.
TRT doses average out to about 8-15 mg/week of test.
TRT doses average out to about 8-15 mg/week of test.
TRT doses average out to about 8-15 mg/week of test.

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Re: Anyone use roids and just not get out what u thiugh u would?
« Reply #37 on: September 08, 2015, 01:59:36 PM »
Exogenous use of synthetic testosterone derivatives are counterproductive.  They will not increase muscle hypertrophy rates one bit.  Creatine HCL will help some people who respond to it.  DHEA use has nothing whatsoever to do w/ bb'ing.  After age 40 or so its just good health to maintain high DHEA-S levels.  Using something natural like the sexy BIG girl below to maintain endogenous test. levels help though. :)

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Re: Anyone use roids and just not get out what u thiugh u would?
« Reply #38 on: September 08, 2015, 02:00:55 PM »
....

if youre 200lbs 10% bodyfat and looking to cut down to shredded mode then you need a ton of AAS to not lose muscle
but if youre the average 180 lbs 15% bodyfat recreational steroid user then cutting on gear is a waste of time

and lets be real here, most people are no more than at best 180lbs soaking wet and a blubbery 15% bodyfat when first touching AAS.

rubbish. seriously have any of you guys trained without gear?..or gone for a decade or more of considerable amounts of time on and OFF gear?..like 2 years + off in between cycles?

and since when was 15% BFAT blubbery?

its clear from reading posts on this board since 1998 that more and more people rely solely on gear, and believe that no muscle was ever gained or retained without it.

you can hold and even increase muscle, while staying lean, after cycles. there is a good 6 months or more before you get back to the same level, and it depends on the dose you used. low doses and hard training put on quality muscle that stays there.

big doses make you lazy and you lose the mindset to train hard and eat well..and rack up muscle loss as part of the deal. its a cop out.

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Re: Anyone use roids and just not get out what u thiugh u would?
« Reply #39 on: September 08, 2015, 02:03:01 PM »
In short, no.

In long, yes.


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Re: Anyone use roids and just not get out what u thiugh u would?
« Reply #40 on: September 08, 2015, 02:09:01 PM »


serious.

TRT is given at 1000mg reandron every 12 weeks. look it up. its equivalent to about 10mg test/week.

at 30 years old, test production is normal at 270ng/dl..


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Re: Anyone use roids and just not get out what u thiugh u would?
« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2015, 02:17:56 PM »
serious.

TRT is given at 1000mg reandron every 12 weeks. look it up. its equivalent to about 10mg test/week.

at 30 years old, test production is normal at 270ng/dl..



1000mg per 12 weeks is roughly 80mg per week

3rd grade mathematics. 1000:12= ????  ::) ::)

and lmao @ 270ng/dl being a normal level for a 30 yo
for a 30 yo penisless hermaphrodite maybe   :D

also lol@ your above comment
youre completely delusional
this is a bodybuilding forum

but dont worry, ill just go back to the AAS forums to the guys who actually have a clue of BODYBUILDING and leave you here with your delusions.

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Re: Anyone use roids and just not get out what u thiugh u would?
« Reply #42 on: September 09, 2015, 02:30:43 AM »
lol are you serious?!. 200mg and 300mg/week test deca is a TRT dose?!

thats about 50x more than TRT dose.

TRT doses average out to about 8-15 mg/week of test.

i used less than your TRT dose even when 'on'...





I don't what doctor you see or what kind of testosterone you use but Watson cypionate comes in either 100mg/ml or 200mg/ml. I don't know how you dose 8-15 mg.

But whatever. I get a blood test every 4 months and 200mg/wk of Test keeps me at high normal levels.

A competitive pro I know, and remember they tend to under state how much they use, is on a gram, 1,000mg, per DAY when bulking. That doesn't include the grams of EQ and Deca that is thrown in the mix. Also, don't forget the orals.

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Re: Anyone use roids and just not get out what u thiugh u would?
« Reply #43 on: September 09, 2015, 03:10:34 AM »
serious.

TRT is given at 1000mg reandron every 12 weeks. look it up. its equivalent to about 10mg test/week.

at 30 years old, test production is normal at 270ng/dl..



Metabolisms differ and they adjust the injection interval depending on what kind of levels you achieve. I'm too lazy to go look it up again but some get their shot every 6 weeks for example.

And normal production is like up to 10mg per day.

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Re: Anyone use roids and just not get out what u thiugh u would?
« Reply #44 on: September 09, 2015, 03:33:22 AM »
Keep in mind the typical TRT program for your internist or family doc is done on an almost know-nothing basis. TRT is not a significant part of medical training. it's something pursued afterwards by those specifically interested in that patient group.

So there are still insane recommendations for large bolus shots every 3-4 weeks of drugs like testosterone cypionate. Just because any random doctor does it, doesn't mean it is good.

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« Reply #45 on: September 09, 2015, 04:13:26 AM »
Keep in mind the typical TRT program for your internist or family doc is done on an almost know-nothing basis. TRT is not a significant part of medical training. it's something pursued afterwards by those specifically interested in that patient group.

So there are still insane recommendations for large bolus shots every 3-4 weeks of drugs like testosterone cypionate. Just because any random doctor does it, doesn't mean it is good.


spot on
docs dont know shit
the average gym rat probably knows more about testosterone than the average doc

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Re: Anyone use roids and just not get out what u thiugh u would?
« Reply #46 on: September 09, 2015, 04:14:43 AM »
try eating ???

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Re: Anyone use roids and just not get out what u thiugh u would?
« Reply #47 on: September 09, 2015, 04:22:50 AM »
the general trt dose is 100-125 mg per week

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« Reply #48 on: September 09, 2015, 04:24:20 AM »
rubbish. seriously have any of you guys trained without gear?..or gone for a decade or more of considerable amounts of time on and OFF gear?..like 2 years + off in between cycles?

and since when was 15% BFAT blubbery?

its clear from reading posts on this board since 1998 that more and more people rely solely on gear, and believe that no muscle was ever gained or retained without it.

you can hold and even increase muscle, while staying lean, after cycles. there is a good 6 months or more before you get back to the same level, and it depends on the dose you used. low doses and hard training put on quality muscle that stays there.

big doses make you lazy and you lose the mindset to train hard and eat well..and rack up muscle loss as part of the deal. its a cop out.


QFT   too many people rely too much on drugs. nothing wrong with 500mg of test e with either 200mg equ or 200mg tren e while eating clean
 and just work out hard.

when people come off they still eat like before and get depressed  ::)

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« Reply #49 on: September 09, 2015, 04:37:07 AM »
"docs dont know shit the average gym rat probably knows more about testosterone than the average docdocs dont know shit the average gym rat probably knows more about testosterone than the average doc"

The ignorance exemplified in the above ^ statement typifies why steroids outlawed.  Screwing w/ the delicate balance of the endocrine system outside the scope of, & often including, professional medical treatment has to the most underrated threats to public health of young people.