Marriage

[affeman]

One should only get married when you're so f*ing loaded that it doens't matter and you can do pretty much anything you want in life anyways. As average Joe - NO WAY! You're a complete idiot to get married and have kids these days.

[Azure]

Not, wishful thinking....I've lived it for 16 years now, my parents have lived it for 40 years, my grandparents lived it for 70 years, my sisters are all living it from 2-10 years and  my best friend has been living it for 15 years and my sister and brother in law have been living it for 10 years.  

Every aunt, uncle, cousin, grand parent, in-law and friend that is unhappy and failed at marriage and family didn't.....they chose to do it their way and all failed.  They all lived for the world and made themselves idols.

Most men on this board would think I'm a little pansy because of my words.....LOL....makes me laugh.     Men and women today need to shut up and nut up.

 

Most people I see getting married these days have no business doing so.  They need to get their own lives together first.  It's obvious that once the excitement wears off there's nothing there.

This is awesome to read and I know you're telling the truth.  Like I said in another thread, when men are in a great relationship.  They ACT differently and it is obvious. Many more years of happiness to you and the Mrs!

[Man of Steel]

A good example of misery desperately seeking company.

I guess the hundreds of thousands of marriage jokes were written so only 0.1% of people get them

Stop your BS there,

LOL!!!!  

Yesterday my 5-year old daughter sat on my lap for half a game of Cowboys football helping me "cheer the footballs!!"  Three times she leaned over and said, "Daddy, I love you."  After the game I grilled steaks and chicken for my girls and then spent the evening with my wife relaxing, watching some of the Emmys, talking and her rubbing my shoulders on the couch.....then we went to bed with my wife cozied up to my back.

Yeah, it's pretty miserable.  

Put God first in your life friend....trust in him, trust in his word and see what happens.

[mazrim]

Not, wishful thinking....I've lived it for 16 years now, my parents have lived it for 40 years, my grandparents lived it for 70 years, my sisters are all living it from 2-10 years and  my best friend has been living it for 15 years and my sister and brother in law have been living it for 10 years.  

Every aunt, uncle, cousin, grand parent, in-law and friend that is unhappy and failed at marriage and family didn't.....they chose to do it their way and all failed.  They all lived for the world and made themselves idols.

Most men on this board would think I'm a little pansy because of my words.....LOL....makes me laugh.     Men and women today need to shut up and nut up.

Exactly.

Marriage is awesome!

[Man of Steel]

Most people I see getting married these days have no business doing so.  They need to get their own lives together first.  It's obvious that once the excitement wears off there's nothing there.

This is awesome to read and I know you're telling the truth.  Like I said in another thread, when men are in a great relationship.  They ACT differently and it is obvious. Many more years of happiness to you and the Mrs!

Lord willing I will live out all my remaining days with these beautiful ladies!  

[muscularny]

LOL!!!!  

Yesterday my 5-year old daughter sat on my lap for half a game of Cowboys football "helping me cheer the footballs!!"  Three times she leaned over and said, "Daddy, I love you."  After the game I grilled steaks and chicken for my girls and then spent the evening with my wife relaxing, watching some of the Emmys, talking and her rubbing my shoulders on the couch.....then we went to bed with my wife cozied up to my back.

Yeah, it's pretty miserable.  

Put God first in your life friend....trust in him, trust in his word and see what happens.

There are 1000's of god and everyone who follows their god believes theirs is the right choice. Educate me on what god you suggest we follow? The one that just allowed a bunch of Christians to be beheaded for believing in him and putting their trust in him? Maybe the god that allowed over 100 people in saudi arabia last week to get killed while standing in a mosque? Or maybe the god that allowed millions of his followers to be thrown into gas chambers?

Please suggest a god

PS I have been waiting a while now for you to reply, your god will get very mad soon as you are not sticking up for his / her powerful being, I hope he dont send a flood to your home :-(

[Yamcha]

The fact that the main argument over marriage in this thread is $$$$

 

[Azure]

The fact that the main argument over marriage in this thread is $$$$

 

Because that's how shallow most people and relationships are.  Money and sex.  That's it.  That's all they've got. 

[muscularny]

Because that's how shallow most people and relationships are.  Money and sex.  That's it.  That's all they've got. 

You are shallow and ignorant for thinking thats what its all about.

See people today change often. If you go 5 years without seeing someone in these days you will discover that in that 5 year period he got into this religion and that business and some other bs and all of a sudden might even be someone that is worried about fema camps and is a vegetarian and a yoga practitioner then he got into tattoos and burning man.

Before the good ol internet people changed too but not such drastic changes every 3 months. When you are married to someone else they might not be into the new you, it can create massive tension with or without love and regardless if you have god on your table or not.

I can go on and on but unfortunately must work too

[OB1]

To make it short:
Fuck marriage.

[Man of Steel]

There are 1000's of god and everyone who follows their god believes theirs is the right choice. Educate me on what god you suggest we follow? The one that just allowed a bunch of Christians to be beheaded for believing in him and putting their trust in him? Maybe the god that allowed over 100 people in saudi arabia last week to get killed while standing in a mosque? Or maybe the god that allowed millions of his followers to be thrown into gas chambers?

Please suggest a god

PS I have been waiting a while now for you to reply, your god will get very mad soon as you are not sticking up for his / her powerful being, I hope he dont send a flood to your home :-(

Sorry to keep you waiting.....multi-tasking.  

There's only one God and we know him as our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Sounds again like you're outraged over the evil choices of people...I am too.   I'm happy to discuss it with you if you really want.

[Yamcha]

You are shallow and ignorant for thinking thats what its all about.

See people today change often. If you go 5 years without seeing someone in these days you will discover that in that 5 year period he got into this religion and that business and some other bs and all of a sudden might even be someone that is worried about fema camps and is a vegetarian and a yoga practitioner then he got into tattoos and burning man.

Before the good ol internet people changed too but not such drastic changes every 3 months. When you are married to someone else they might not be into the new you, it can create massive tension with or without love and regardless if you have god on your table or not.

I can go on and on but unfortunately must work too

So you're not cut out to accept someone for all their flaws and only want a partner to fit into parameters that you deem worthy.

That means you shouldn't marry that person to begin with...

[K1RB]

Marriage is the single worst contract a man can enter into-
There is not one worse, and if there is please feel free to share it with us.
If you have your hair, and have some money, not only will you always get laid and meet females, but you will be in even more demand once
you enter your 30's-40's...if your argument is that you want children, go and adopt...
I have sen this countless times.
Marriage is no longer a religious institution; it is a legal one that simply does not work.

[Man of Steel]

Marriage is the single worst contract a man can enter into-
There is not one worse, and if there is please feel free to share it with us.
If you have your hair, and have some money, not only will you always get laid and meet females, but you will be in even more demand once
you enter your 30's-40's...if your argument is that you want children, go and adopt...
I have sen this countless times.
Marriage is no longer a religious institution; it is a legal one that simply does not work.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

Exactly.

[Azure]

You are shallow and ignorant for thinking thats what its all about.

See people today change often. If you go 5 years without seeing someone in these days you will discover that in that 5 year period he got into this religion and that business and some other bs and all of a sudden might even be someone that is worried about fema camps and is a vegetarian and a yoga practitioner then he got into tattoos and burning man.

Before the good ol internet people changed too but not such drastic changes every 3 months. When you are married to someone else they might not be into the new you, it can create massive tension with or without love and regardless if you have god on your table or not.

I can go on and on but unfortunately must work too

I am saying those are the major focuses of relationships in this society which is why most relationships are abject failures.  They have no substance and if you're talking about growth then that requires substance.  When you have two people who have zero substance to either of their lives and they get together, the second someone isn't making them happy anymore they are OUT.  

People will evolve and you must allow the other person that space to evolve BUT if you CHOOSE to be in a relationship it isn't all about you anymore.  Most people are too selfish and self centered to care about the other person so it's all about me, me, me and my evolution.  A good partner will allow you to grow and not stifle it but marriage/relationships isn't all about making yourself happy.

[Azure]

So you're not cut out to accept someone for all their flaws and only want a partner to fit into parameters that you deem worthy.

That means you shouldn't marry that person to begin with...

I have seen this happen so many times.  These men pick these women who have nothing but $ signs in their eyes.  Then when his career hits a rough patch or he has a serious problem and there may not be anymore  getaways to the islands or new bags every week things start going awry.  This woman had nothing to offer in the first place except pretend support.  She was just there for the ride.  Be there when he really needs you but no...you were just in it for the status.  You weren't there for HIM...the person.

I don't blame men for trashing gold diggers but I also don't feel sorry for them when they get blinded by T&A, blowjobs, and then the chick takes their money.

[Disco187]

There is no reason to get married.

I was married to a smokein Russian for a year and a half in my early twenties, im happily divorced and now i can fuck her if i want and drop her off without all the B.S  But i dont even want to due to all the fucking nagging and bitching she did when we were married.


Happily Single staying in 6 month to a year relationships.  Couldnt be happier, and that is the trueth

[Yamcha]

There is no reason to get married.

I was married to a smokein Russian for a year and a half in my early twenties, im happily divorced and now i can fuck her if i want and drop her off without all the B.S  But i dont even want to due to all the fucking nagging and bitching she did when we were married.


Happily Single staying in 6 month to a year relationships.  Couldnt be happier, and that is the trueth

You sound like a winner. 

[Man of Steel]

There is no reason to get married.

I was married to a smokein Russian for a year and a half in my early twenties, im happily divorced and now i can fuck her if i want and drop her off without all the B.S  But i dont even want to due to all the fucking nagging and bitching she did when we were married.


Happily Single staying in 6 month to a year relationships.  Couldnt be happier, and that is the trueth

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a person remaining single....absolutely nothing.

[SF1900]

My answer to this dilemma is simple in order to break the cycle.  Someone has to step up and step out and do the following:  

first, love God and let him lead your life
second, love the one you marry
third, love the children you have together
four, love your family and teach your family to love God and each other

Engage in that behavior and success rates in marriage and family are very high.

Or, people are too scared to get a divorce because its not biblical, and stay in committed relationships because they do not want to be outcasted by their community and/or church. Thus, 1 or 2 people are putting on a "happy" face to appease their bible and community because they are too scared to get a divorce due to the different ramifications.

You have no way of demonstrating that religious marriages are more successful or happy than ones that are not. This is just more sophistry and pulling on the "heart strings" without being able to demonstrate any of this.

If you can demonstrate this via evidence, I will concede my point.

[SF1900]

Marriage is the single worst contract a man can enter into-
There is not one worse, and if there is please feel free to share it with us.
If you have your hair, and have some money, not only will you always get laid and meet females, but you will be in even more demand once
you enter your 30's-40's...if your argument is that you want children, go and adopt...
I have sen this countless times.
Marriage is no longer a religious institution; it is a legal one that simply does not work.

Yes, because marriage predates the bible. Marriage is a not a religious contract. It's a civil contract. It always has been. The religious zealots just want to make you think otherwise.

If you really want to go down that route, my best friend and his wife are nonreligious and get along wonderfully. They just had a baby about a year ago, purchased a new home. They pretty much are living the American dream. But of course theists, like MOS, will tell you that its impossible for my friend and his wife to be happy because they are not engaged in a religious marriage.

Religious people are cuckoo lol

[Man of Steel]

Or, people are too scared to get a divorce because its not biblical, and stay in committed relationships because they do not want to be outcasted by their community and/or church. Thus, 1 or 2 people are putting on a "happy" face to appease their bible and community because they are too scared to get a divorce due to the different ramifications.

You have no way of demonstrating that religious marriages are more successful or happy than ones that are not. This is just more sophistry and pulling on the "heart strings" without being able to demonstrate any of this.

If you can demonstrate this via evidence, I will concede my point.

No, no....the argument discussed was not that people married without God can't be happy.  You've morphed the argument to suit your purposes.....you're straw manning the argument.

I did not say those married without God can't be happily married.....those are your words, your argument.  Let's make that crystal clear.

The argument is that marriage in general is not a good situation and doesn't work.  

My position was that marriage under God with love produces high success rates of marital stability.

I demonstrated that easily with my own family and friends that do so.

[Man of Steel]

But of course theists, like MOS, will tell you that its impossible for my friend and his wife to be happy because they are not engaged in a religious marriage.

Again, not at all what I stated.  You are straw manning the argument and putting words in my mouth.

My post above reiterates what I said previously.  I did not speak of infallibility, I spoke of high success rates in marriage when established under God and with love.

[SF1900]

No, no....the argument discussed was not that people married without God can't be happy.  You've morphed the argument to suit your purposes.....you're straw manning the argument.

I did not say those married without God can't be happily married.....those are your words, your argument.  Let's make that crystal clear.

The argument is that marriage in general is not a good situation and doesn't work.  

My position was that marriage under God with love produces high success rates of marital stability.

I demonstrated that easily with my own family and friends that do so.

Logical fallacy. Can't point to your marriage and your friends marriage to say "marriage with God produces higher success rate and more marriage stability."

I can easily point to many nonreligious unions and say the same thing about them.

Do you have any evidence other than anecdotal? No, you don't. Until then, you don't have much to go on.

[SF1900]

Again, not at all what I stated.  You are straw manning the argument and putting words in my mouth.

My post above reiterates what I said previously.  I did not speak of infallibility, I spoke of high success rates in marriage when established under God and with love.

Can you demonstrate this, other than anecdotal evidence?

You also failed to take into account and NOT address the fact, which I discussed above,  that many people who are in religious marriages may stay married due to fear of being ex-communicated from their church and/or community. I suspect this is a major problem, and have a sneaking suspicion that many religious women may keep quiet if they are in unhappy marriages. Religion instills this kind of fear and shame in people. Just because two people are together it does not mean its a successful or happy marriage. Thus, you can't assume because you see two religious people who are married, that it is happy or successful. You know, the whole "skeletons in closet" sort of thing.