Ben Fields / Power Lifter/School Officer

[The Ugly]

Still no excuse to behave until police force is necessary. The school is a place to learn, not to cause problems. Most kids get disciplined by the teachers which is(should be) more than enough.

This ugly dumb girl probably caused problems before, the teachers resorted to call police since they didn't see another option.
Now a policeman is now out of job, teachers/principals harassed by #blackshitematters all because her lazy dumb fat ass didn't want to listen to the teacher and was wasting everyones time anyway.

Any student requiring cop intervention is a HUGE (probably repeat) asshole. Last resort when all else fails (teacher, counselor, admin). The fact that the school supports the cop tells me everything: she's an incorrigibly disruptive, disrespectful kunt in need of expulsion.

Let Grandma (safe assumption) babysit her fucking daughter's li'l monster.

[Las Vegas]

Don't be dense, who calls the police on a quiet innocent girl? Disrupting lazy bad attitude girl? yes

Most here are using their logic, unlike you.

At this point you're just trolling.

No info, in other words.

[Europe]

No info, in other words.

let's not enter on a "can you (dis-)prove god exist" debate 'cus it will go nowhere(U don't have any info either).

Use your reason and logic.. again WHO calls the police on a quiet innocent girl?

[avxo]

I like this answer

Often times schools misuse the Resource officers and the Resource officers forget they aren't there to enforce "house rules" but enforce the law and maintain order.  However, there is a point when it would become criminal. If the administrator informed the officer she is being expelled and to remove her from the school property, then it is criminal trespass at that point and the officer has legal authority. If it were just to take her to the office.. that would not be his job.

Even if the officer has legal authority and could justify the use of force based on the "use of force protocols" it doesn't mean that he needs to resort to using force. Officers should exercise their biggest muscle - the brain - before resorting to body-slams. If an officer doesn't have common sense then he shouldn't be an officer.

Was this guy justified in his action? It's possible, but I lean on this being excessive. Going only based on the video - no idea what happened before - I'd say that his actions were, at the very least, bad from a "PR" point of view: he shows kids that cops are nothing but bullies with a badge. But, more importantly, to me it shows someone who's not in control of himself or the situation.

Remember that he's dealing with a child that is, at worse, guilty of trespassing by refusing to leave. Throwing the desk back, as he did, could have resulted in a devastating head injury when the back of the student's skull impacted the floor. We're not talking a small bruise here - we're talking life-altering traumatic brain injury. What about the fact that those desks are flimsy as fuck and one piece of metal snapping off could have easily resulted in the girl, himself or others being badly injured.

"Was this a reasonable use of force? Was his action justified? Should he be disciplined? Fired? Prosecuted" are all questions that we should ask. Not just in this case, but in every case when a cop resorts to force, because the authority to use force isn't be a blanket mandate to do so, and because we should not tolerate thugs because of a badge. And frankly, we shouldn't tolerate the chorus of cops and unions bosses that pop up and start riverdancing to "Afraid for his life! Cops face danger all the time!" across the thin blue line.

[mr.turbo]

The other thing to remember guys is that we've all been brainwashed by the bodybuilding industry, perhaps the officer was a victim of this too. A recently discovered phenomena exists where white people tend to view black folks as having magical powers, or being immune to pain. Watching ronnie coleman training videos for example would lead one to this conclusion, perhaps unconsciously...anyway the truth is that black people do feel pain and are not magical at all.

you can read the study here:

http://spp.sagepub.com/content/6/3/352

 

[The Ugly]

Even if the officer has legal authority and could justify the use of force based on the "use of force protocols" it doesn't mean that he needs to resort to using force. Officers should exercise their biggest muscle - the brain - before resorting to body-slams. If an officer doesn't have common sense then he shouldn't be an officer.

Was this guy justified in his action? It's possible, but I lean on this being excessive. Going only based on the video - no idea what happened before - I'd say that his actions were, at the very least, bad from a "PR" point of view: he shows kids that cops are nothing but bullies with a badge. But, more importantly, to me it shows someone who's not in control of himself or the situation.

Remember that he's dealing with a child that is, at worse, guilty of trespassing by refusing to leave. Throwing the desk back, as he did, could have resulted in a devastating head injury when the back of the student's skull impacted the floor. We're not talking a small bruise here - we're talking life-altering traumatic brain injury. What about the fact that those desks are flimsy as fuck and one piece of metal snapping off could have easily resulted in the girl, himself or others being badly injured.

"Was this a reasonable use of force? Was his action justified? Should he be disciplined? Fired? Prosecuted" are all questions that we should ask. Not just in this case, but in every case when a cop resorts to force, because the authority to use force isn't be a blanket mandate to do so, and because we should not tolerate thugs because of a badge. And frankly, we shouldn't tolerate the chorus of cops and unions bosses that pop up and start riverdancing to "Afraid for his life! Cops face danger all the time!" across the thin blue line.

Shit, didn't consider the potential flimsy desk/shrapnel risk.

Wonder why he didn't just ASK her to leave, for Pete's sake.

[Las Vegas]

let's not enter on a "can you (dis-)prove god exist" debate 'cus it will go nowhere(U don't have any info either).

Use your reason and logic.. again WHO calls the police on a quiet innocent girl?

The girl was looking at her phone screen, and the teacher didn't want to accept that she was doing that (understandable).  The teacher called in reinforcements.  That's the way I understand it, but maybe someone can show something else.

[The Ugly]

The girl was looking at her phone screen, and the teacher didn't want to accept that she was doing that (understandable).  The teacher called in reinforcements.  That's the way I understand it, but maybe someone can show something else.

Objective source, I'm sure.

[Las Vegas]

Even if the officer has legal authority and could justify the use of force based on the "use of force protocols" it doesn't mean that he needs to resort to using force. Officers should exercise their biggest muscle - the brain - before resorting to body-slams. If an officer doesn't have common sense then he shouldn't be an officer.

Was this guy justified in his action? It's possible, but I lean on this being excessive. Going only based on the video - no idea what happened before - I'd say that his actions were, at the very least, bad from a "PR" point of view: he shows kids that cops are nothing but bullies with a badge. But, more importantly, to me it shows someone who's not in control of himself or the situation.

Remember that he's dealing with a child that is, at worse, guilty of trespassing by refusing to leave. Throwing the desk back, as he did, could have resulted in a devastating head injury when the back of the student's skull impacted the floor. We're not talking a small bruise here - we're talking life-altering traumatic brain injury. What about the fact that those desks are flimsy as fuck and one piece of metal snapping off could have easily resulted in the girl, himself or others being badly injured.

"Was this a reasonable use of force? Was his action justified? Should he be disciplined? Fired? Prosecuted" are all questions that we should ask. Not just in this case, but in every case when a cop resorts to force, because the authority to use force isn't be a blanket mandate to do so, and because we should not tolerate thugs because of a badge. And frankly, we shouldn't tolerate the chorus of cops and unions bosses that pop up and start riverdancing to "Afraid for his life! Cops face danger all the time!" across the thin blue line.

That hasn't been covered nearly enough.  Her skull came very close to colliding with the cinderblock wall, too, more than once.  For someone apparently trying so hard to control the situation, he completely gave up control as to whether the girl would suffer a permanent serious injury or death from his actions.  People need to think about that for a minute, because it says everything.

How can anyone continue to employ someone like him in that position?  How could anyone have insurance against that?

[Las Vegas]

Objective source, I'm sure.

What do you know about it??  I want to have the right opinion on it, so fire away.

[The Ugly]

What do you know about it??  I want to have the right opinion on it, so fire away.

We've already covered that.

[Rudee]

I read the girl was new to the school, was very quiet and kept to herself.

A quiet hebrew?   Have you ever sat behind them in a movie theater?   They are the loudest and most vocal ppl on the planet.

[Las Vegas]

A quiet hebrew?   Have you ever sat behind them in a movie theater?   They are the loudest and most vocal ppl on the planet.

I hope you see how ridiculous your statement is.

[Marty Champions]

That cop just fucked his own life , he shoulda offerd some fried chicken , force is never necessary when u think like a falcon

[oldschoolfan]

yeah he is pretty much fucked, his name is all over the internet.he lost his job as a cop,


soon he will be doing gay porn like that boxer.

in this day and age were everyone has a  phone and a camera  stuff like this  will be caught and go viral

[liberty]

One pissed off Getbigger   

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c16_1446047474

[BBSSchlemiel]

Yeah, he should have coddled her lest she get mad and kill someone
Brilliant approach to life. 


What's your favorite brand of tampon?

Good post. There other poster implies that with the presence of gang members, an officer should be even nicer.

[Agnostic007]

That hasn't been covered nearly enough.  Her skull came very close to colliding with the cinderblock wall, too, more than once.  For someone apparently trying so hard to control the situation, he completely gave up control as to whether the girl would suffer a permanent serious injury or death from his actions.  People need to think about that for a minute, because it says everything.

How can anyone continue to employ someone like him in that position?  How could anyone have insurance against that?

When an officer deploys any less lethal tool or tactic, be it taser, bean bag shotgun, take down etc, there is always a possibility of serious injury. There is the example of the girl that was tased, hitting her head and becoming a vegetable. So you can "Could of" about any use of force. In this case, I don't believe it was his intention to pull her back and to the floor, but to pick her up at the leg and upper body and lift her out of the chair. When she straightened out she became entangled in the chair making that impossible and he went to plan b.   Had he begun by intentionally pulling her back in her chair to the ground, the concerns would be more valid but even then, people fall backwards in their chairs rather frequently with very few cases of serious injury that I'm aware of. She took many options away by her own actions. We talk about personal responsibility but often times we don't really mean it

[tommywishbone]

That cop just fucked his own life , he shoulda offerd some fried chicken , force is never necessary when u think like a falcon

  Finally, the voice of reason shows up. Thank you sir.

[chaos]

Yeah, he should have coddled her lest she get mad and kill someone
Brilliant approach to life. 


What's your favorite brand of tampon?

x2

[SuperTed]

That cop just fucked his own life , he shoulda offerd some fried chicken , force is never necessary when u think like a falcon

x2

He should have just lured her out of the room by using chicken or watermelon as bait.

Now he's lost his job purely because he lacks a sharp, Falcon brain.

[avxo]

When an officer deploys any less lethal tool or tactic, be it taser, bean bag shotgun, take down etc, there is always a possibility of serious injury.

Which is why instead of giving platitudes like "you can't armchair-quarterback the police" we should examine officers' use of force - lethal or less - and the policies governing the use of force every time. If it turns out the use of force policies could be improved, we should improve them. And if the officer violated them he should be disciplined or, depending on the severity of the incident, charged.

In this case, I don't believe it was his intention to pull her back and to the floor, but to pick her up at the leg and upper body and lift her out of the chair. When she straightened out she became entangled in the chair making that impossible and he went to plan b.   Had he begun by intentionally pulling her back in her chair to the ground, the concerns would be more valid but even then, people fall backwards in their chairs rather frequently with very few cases of serious injury that I'm aware of. She took many options away by her own actions. We talk about personal responsibility but often times we don't really mean it

I'm curious, having written all the above, can you explain to me how you are, in any way, different from the lawyer for Eric Parker - the cop who body-slammed an elderly Indian man - that blamed the victim and his inability to speak English for his client's actions?

The question shouldn't be "what was his intention?" The question should be "were his actions reasonable and did he use any common sense?" I submit that they were not. You talk about how she "straightened out" and the cop went to plan B. First of all, it's bullshit to suggest that this takedown was a "backup plan". It wasn't. He reacted without thinking when her body didn't go limp and resorted to force - namely pushing her back. He didn't give her the opportunity to comply. If he felt she was resisting, he could have told her "don't resist, because that's a game you can't win. Get up and let's just go out." Instead he shoved her back and dragged her out. Is this the kind of behavior we expect from officers, who aside from adults, are supposed to be in control not only of the situation but of themselves and their emotions.

Let me also address something else. You (perhaps not unexpectedly) have the same mentality as most of your colleagues: that citizens need to become rag-dolls, to be manipulated and tossed about without offering any resistance, the moment a cop touches them. The problem with this mentality is that it doesn't take into account how people react: we have instincts and our bodies often times move almost automatically. You made that very point in a post of yours from earlier in the context of explaining why often times suspects are shot in the back: you explained that the human body can turn in milliseconds. So when cops, for example, react by slamming someone face down on a car hood on account that he is "resisting" because his hands don't feel like noodles when a cop tries to grab them, they are often the ones escalating the situation.

[The Ugly]

Which is why instead of giving platitudes like "you can't armchair-quarterback the police" we should examine officers' use of force - lethal or less - and the policies governing the use of force every time. If it turns out the use of force policies could be improved, we should improve them. And if the officer violated them he should be disciplined or, depending on the severity of the incident, charged.


I'm curious, having written all the above, can you explain to me how you are, in any way, different from the lawyer for Eric Parker - the cop who body-slammed an elderly Indian man - that blamed the victim and his inability to speak English for his client's actions?

The question shouldn't be "what was his intention?" The question should be "were his actions reasonable and did he use any common sense?" I submit that they were not. You talk about how she "straightened out" and the cop went to plan B. First of all, it's bullshit to suggest that this takedown was a "backup plan". It wasn't. He reacted without thinking when her body didn't go limp and resorted to force - namely pushing her back. He didn't give her the opportunity to comply. If he felt she was resisting, he could have told her "don't resist, because that's a game you can't win. Get up and let's just go out." Instead he shoved her back and dragged her out. Is this the kind of behavior we expect from officers, who aside from adults, are supposed to be in control not only of the situation but of themselves and their emotions.

Let me also address something else. You (perhaps not unexpectedly) have the same mentality as most of your colleagues: that citizens need to become rag-dolls, to be manipulated and tossed about without offering any resistance, the moment a cop touches them. The problem with this mentality is that it doesn't take into account how people react: we have instincts and our bodies often times move almost automatically. You made that very point in a post of yours from earlier in the context of explaining why often times suspects are shot in the back: you explained that the human body can turn in milliseconds. So when cops, for example, react by slamming someone face down on a car hood on account that he is "resisting" because his hands don't feel like noodles when a cop tries to grab them, they are often the ones escalating the situation.

All based on a conveniently edited ten seconds or so. Perhaps you missed the part where her classmate said he did try the "game you can't win" stuff, repeatedly. This, after she'd already told the teacher and administrator to fuck off.

Guess her response.

Fuck this bitch, all potential consequences were directly on her.

[calfzilla]

If the girl was white the officer wouldn't have been fired and we probably would have never heard of this incident.

[avxo]

All based on a conveniently edited ten seconds or so. Perhaps you missed the part where her classmate said he did try the "game you can't win" stuff, repeatedly. This, after she'd already told the teacher and administrator to fuck off.

I haven't seen all the videos - I've only caught a glimpse of one playing on one of the cable networks. But let's assume that everything you describe happen - that she told the teacher and the administrator to fuck off, and that the cop came in and tried to get her to comply. And? Does this mean that the cop handled the situation appropriately from that point on?

You don't address the point I'm trying to make: that officers expect people to go limp as soon as they are touched, and treat failure to do so as resistance which must be violently overcome. Agnostic007 thinks the officer may have tried to pick her up and she tensed her body forcing him to go to "plan B" - which was to take her down. Maybe it was, but should we not be asking "was this a good plan B?"

The police are neither infalliable nor above reproach and criticism. They are public servants and they operate within the framework that we, collectively, allow them to operate in. For example, many police organizations now have standing orders to discontinue high-speed car chases to reduce the danger to the public, even if that means that the bad guy gets ago. It behooves us to examine their actions closely and to decide if the framework within which they are operating suits us.

Fuck this bitch, all potential consequences were directly on her.

No, this isn't how it works. The officer is responsible too: remember, he is only authorized to use reasonable force to achieve his duties. To give an extreme example: he could have responded by pulling out his service weapon and unloading a clip on this student. But this would be unreasonable given the circumstances and he would be responsible - not the girl.

Keep in mind too, that the officer is supposed to be the adult and remain in control of his emotions. Did this officer act like an adult that's in control of his emotion? You seem to have examined the videos more closely than I. Can you tell us what the answer is?