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Re: UFC 193
« Reply #225 on: November 15, 2015, 05:41:49 AM »
The biggest factor is Rousey's loss was the fact that she gassed after 2 minutes.  Literally gasping, stumbling, and hands down.  Guess her team thought there was no reason to work on cardio.   ::)

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Re: UFC 193
« Reply #226 on: November 15, 2015, 05:42:58 AM »
Namajanus v van zant is main eventing next month. Really really wanna see van zant get knocked out too. She promised two years ago to shave her head for a cchildren's cancer charity if she got into the UFC. Two years later she hasn't done it
Yes, the hype for Paige VanZant (especially after the rousey loss) will become a fever pitch if she keeps winning. It's the perfect opportunity for Dana White to fill that gaping hole ( :D) in women's MMA. I'll give Paige some credit, in that she has shown she has some skill to go along with her looks.  God help us if she wins the title though. Her hype could end up rivaling Rousey's at that point.

She sure is easy on the eyes though  :P


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Re: UFC 193
« Reply #227 on: November 15, 2015, 05:56:44 AM »
Yes, the hype for Paige VanZant (especially after the rousey loss) will become a fever pitch if she keeps winning. It's the perfect opportunity for Dana White to fill that gaping hole ( :D) in women's MMA. I'll give Paige some credit, in that she has shown she has some skill to go along with her looks.  God help us if she wins the title though. Her hype could end up rivaling Rousey's at that point.

She sure is easy on the eyes though  :P


Namajunas should submit her, she won't win the title, JJ will be the champ for a while I think

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Re: UFC 193
« Reply #228 on: November 15, 2015, 06:04:28 AM »
Well, Dana now has a great future event coming up in the form of a rematch.

This shouldn't have been shocking to any true fight fan.

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Re: UFC 193
« Reply #229 on: November 15, 2015, 06:08:22 AM »
Well, Dana now has a great future event coming up in the form of a rematch.

This shouldn't have been shocking to any true fight fan.

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Holly Holmes's striking is as crisp as the best men's fighters. Easily the best standup in woman's MMA right now.

Wonder if that will translate into a long title reign?

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Re: UFC 193
« Reply #230 on: November 15, 2015, 06:10:11 AM »
Holly Holmes's striking is as crisp as the best men's fighters. Easily the best standup in woman's MMA right now.

Wonder if that will translate into a long title reign?

Striking is as it should be with her, elite at the level of the best female boxers and good kickboxers.

Question is whether her true kryptonite will come in the form of her ground game.

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Re: UFC 193
« Reply #231 on: November 15, 2015, 06:14:50 AM »
Striking is as it should be with her, elite at the level of the best female boxers and good kickboxers.

Question is whether her true kryptonite will come in the form of her ground game.

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True, but most woman (no matter how long they train) look awkward trying to throw punches and kicks. Holm looks robotic with her technique, which is the result of years of experience at an elite level, and some god given ability.

Just like some people are born with a fluid, almost relaxed HR swing like Ken Griffey Jr.

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Re: UFC 193
« Reply #232 on: November 15, 2015, 06:15:02 AM »
Striking is as it should be with her, elite at the level of the best female boxers and good kickboxers.

Question is whether her true kryptonite will come in the form of her ground game.

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Now that she's champ, she can get top level full time bjj and wrestling training. With her athletic ability, it won't be kryptonite in a year, or two, at the most.

It took me a year to go from blue to purple belt level, and that was training part time with a full time job.

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Re: UFC 193
« Reply #233 on: November 15, 2015, 06:20:33 AM »
Now that she's champ, she can get top level full time bjj and wrestling training. With her athletic ability, it won't be kryptonite in a year, or two, at the most.

It took me a year to go from blue to purple belt level, and that was training part time with a full time job.

That's quite incredible actually. Congrats!

Each belt has taken me on average 2-3 years to attain at Renzo's.

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« Reply #234 on: November 15, 2015, 06:26:24 AM »
That's quite incredible actually. Congrats!

Each belt has taken me on average 2-3 years to attain at Renzo's.

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I think it's better to measure it in hours. Training 2x a week for a year, and everyday for a year are two different animals. Almost everyone you hear about who makes fast progress does the latter. At the time, I was obsessed with BJJ. I thought about it all day and night.

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« Reply #235 on: November 15, 2015, 06:36:17 AM »

I think it's better to measure it in hours. Training 2x a week for a year, and everyday for a year are two different animals. Almost everyone you hear about who makes fast progress does the latter. At the time, I was obsessed with BJJ. I thought about it all day and night.

Training everyday for a year is certainly much more demanding and can give you more results versus training only twice per week.

You had mentioned this:

It took me a year to go from blue to purple belt level, and that was training part time with a full time job.

So did you only train 2x per week or did you somehow managed to train everyday?

Either way, it's a great accomplishment. There are a number of great BJJ practitioners that have been known to do such things (i.e. Jacare, Marcelo Garcia, a number of Gracies etc).

Who do you train under?

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Re: UFC 193
« Reply #236 on: November 15, 2015, 06:43:46 AM »
Training everyday for a year is certainly much more demanding and can give you more results versus training only twice per week.

You had mentioned this:

So did you only train 2x per week or did you somehow managed to train everyday?

Either way, it's a great accomplishment. There are a number of great BJJ practitioners that have been known to do such things (i.e. Jacare, Marcelo Garcia, a number of Gracies etc).

Who do you train under?

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At the time, I trained at the school 3x a week, but I used to train outside with another student.

I don't take formal classes anymore. Once I got into my 40s the injuries became constant, and, I got tired of always being in pain and dealing with 25 year old maniacs jumping all over me.

Pretty much all the guys who went on and got Black Belts wanted to teach and open their own school. That was never a motivation for me.

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Re: UFC 193
« Reply #237 on: November 15, 2015, 06:52:44 AM »
At the time, I trained at the school 3x a week, but I used to train outside with another student.

I don't take formal classes anyone. Once I got into my 40s the injuries became constant, and, I got tired of always being in pain and dealing with 25 year old maniacs jumping all over me.

Pretty much all the guys who went on and got Black Belts wanted to teach and open their own school. That was never a motivation for me.

I hear ya. Your case is just very impressive and not common at all, because pretty much all schools are not allowed to progress rank from blue to purple that fast. The International Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Federation requires a practitioner to remain a blue belt for a minimum of 2 years (that's in their rule book). Typically, for a blue to go to purple in under a year requires destruction of major competition at big tournaments (think ADCC or Mundials) and a big push by a big name instructor.

Nonetheless, purple is an exciting belt, as it's where (at least I found) you truly start to have your entire game come together. Positioning and guard escapes come much easier and you slowly start to establish your full game (top vs bottom etc).

Opening up a school was never in my thoughts. There are way better practitioners and I'm still struggling at Brown Belt (3 Stripes). Now, I simply go and get my ass handed to me by the best black belts and sometimes by the younger, stronger and more hungrier brown belts. It's all in good fun.

Keep rollin!

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Re: UFC 193
« Reply #238 on: November 15, 2015, 06:54:56 AM »
At the time, I trained at the school 3x a week, but I used to train outside with another student.

I don't take formal classes anyone. Once I got into my 40s the injuries became constant, and, I got tired of always being in pain and dealing with 25 year old maniacs jumping all over me.

Pretty much all the guys who went on and got Black Belts wanted to teach and open their own school. That was never a motivation for me.
Oohhh.......where do I sign up?



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Re: UFC 193
« Reply #240 on: November 15, 2015, 06:56:39 AM »
I hear ya. Your case is just very impressive and not common at all, because pretty much all schools are not allowed to progress rank from blue to purple that fast. The International Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Federation requires a practitioner to remain a blue belt for a minimum of 2 years (that's in their rule book). Typically, for a blue to go to purple in under a year requires destruction of major competition at big tournaments (think ADCC or Mundials) and a big push by a big name instructor.

Nonetheless, purple is an exciting belt, as it's where (at least I found) you truly start to have your entire game come together. Positioning and guard escapes come much easier and you slowly start to establish your full game (top vs bottom etc).

Opening up a school was never in my thoughts. There are way better practitioners and I'm still struggling at Brown Belt (3 Stripes). Now, I simply go and get my ass handed to me by the best black belts and sometimes by the younger, stronger and more hungrier brown belts. It's all in good fun.

Keep rollin!

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Congrats, that's awesome. Every now and then I get tempted to start training again, but, it quickly goes away ;)

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Re: UFC 193
« Reply #241 on: November 15, 2015, 07:05:50 AM »
this shows how shit the talent pool is lol.

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Re: UFC 193
« Reply #242 on: November 15, 2015, 07:10:43 AM »
Credit to Indie-Lad for posting link to full fight:



If anyone has a better quality link, please post up for others.

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Re: UFC 193
« Reply #243 on: November 15, 2015, 07:13:19 AM »
Full fight

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pN0dxnU1mAw

Well done, Sir.

You can just see Ronda's confidence slipping away, little by little, as her stand up deficiency was getting exposed. Holly was so relaxed between rounds.

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Re: UFC 193
« Reply #244 on: November 15, 2015, 07:17:56 AM »
Absolutely zero word from rousey since the fight.

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Re: UFC 193
« Reply #245 on: November 15, 2015, 07:19:21 AM »
Absolutely zero word from rousey since the fight.

Probably because her lip is split open and her jaw is swollen shut ;D

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Re: UFC 193
« Reply #246 on: November 15, 2015, 07:22:26 AM »
Yes, the hype for Paige VanZant (especially after the rousey loss) will become a fever pitch if she keeps winning. It's the perfect opportunity for Dana White to fill that gaping hole ( :D) in women's MMA. I'll give Paige some credit, in that she has shown she has some skill to go along with her looks.  God help us if she wins the title though. Her hype could end up rivaling Rousey's at that point.

She sure is easy on the eyes though  :P


Haha  ;D

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Re: UFC 193
« Reply #247 on: November 15, 2015, 07:24:11 AM »
Probably because her lip is split open and her jaw is swollen shut ;D

Maybe her fingers were injured, too. ;)

She really deserved what she got. There was no reason for her to be such an a-hole at the weigh-in. She was the champ and a 20-1 Favorite. IMO, quiet confidence would've been a better approach.

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Re: UFC 193
« Reply #248 on: November 15, 2015, 07:28:30 AM »
Maybe her fingers were injured, too. ;)

She really deserved what she got. There was no reason for her to be such an a-hole at the weigh-in. She was the champ and a 20-1 Favorite. IMO, quiet confidence would've been a better approach.


She started believing the UFC hype of her being "the most dominant combat sports athlete EVER"  ::)


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Re: UFC 193
« Reply #249 on: November 15, 2015, 07:31:36 AM »
Rousey has been exposed. Exactly like Tyson was. Once the aura of invincibility is gone, all of the wolves will challenge the alpha for dominance.

I see the same fate for McGregor once he loses, and McGregor doesn't even have the pedigree (champion, unbeaten) that Ronda had.

The next fight will be the most important fight of Rousey's career.

Blame Dana White and the UFC for the hype machines that they are creating. Sure they draw fantastic if they win, but they almost lose it all with 1 loss.

What a difference a day makes when it comes to the perception of a fighter.