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Re: Bernie Sanders just solved the terrorism problem.
« Reply #75 on: November 17, 2015, 09:33:55 AM »
there is talk by scientists that a lot of places in the middle east will be uninhabitable in the next couple decades due to the extreme heat.  Didn't they record a high of 160 degrees this summer in Iran? 

People will be committing suicide to get a break from the heat or get AC units for their families, LOL!

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Re: Bernie Sanders just solved the terrorism problem.
« Reply #76 on: November 17, 2015, 09:37:26 AM »
It's unbelievable

TA goes to the effort to post literally 100 sources ... rock solid sources

and you idiots have the audacity make these remarks

what planet do you live on?

I (or someone who has the time) can probably pull up 100 sources to counter it. But since TA and 240 seem to have times on their hands I'll just let them handle it. haha

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Re: Bernie Sanders just solved the terrorism problem.
« Reply #77 on: November 17, 2015, 09:39:56 AM »
People will be committing suicide to get a break from the heat or get AC units for their families, LOL!

Hard to run AC when power is barely available in a lot of the areas.

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Re: Bernie Sanders just solved the terrorism problem.
« Reply #78 on: November 17, 2015, 09:40:57 AM »
You read that?

Way too long. Even by my standards.

BTW, didn't we have Islamic terrorism way before this climate change thing became the be all and end all? I remember as a kid the "Munich Massacre" by the PLO during the 72 Olympics. Well, I guess it does get pretty hot in "Palestine". Then there was the hostage crisis in Iran 1979-80. I think Iran had enough water at that time.

Not according to bias left-wing bullshit "studies" that are only designed to shape public opinion.

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Re: Bernie Sanders just solved the terrorism problem.
« Reply #79 on: November 17, 2015, 09:47:53 AM »
Not according to bias left-wing bullshit "studies" that are only designed to shape public opinion.

1) the "man-made" part is bullshit, agreed.

2) Repubs look stupid when they try to extend this to completely ignore environment's influence on terrorism.  yes, even if man doesn't cause drought... Drought DOES lead to higher # of terror recruits that year.   Because farms dry up and there's no food/water, so kids travel and join terror gangs.

It's just a matter of being prepared.  Weather leads to more or less terror recruits.  Even if man doesn't cause it.

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Re: Bernie Sanders just solved the terrorism problem.
« Reply #80 on: November 17, 2015, 09:51:01 AM »
1) the "man-made" part is bullshit, agreed.

2) Repubs look stupid when they try to extend this to completely ignore environment's influence on terrorism.  yes, even if man doesn't cause drought... Drought DOES lead to higher # of terror recruits that year.   Because farms dry up and there's no food/water, so kids travel and join terror gangs.

It's just a matter of being prepared.  Weather leads to more or less terror recruits.  Even if man doesn't cause it.

Of course. The seek out to become terrorists for a better life and job security ::)

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Re: Bernie Sanders just solved the terrorism problem.
« Reply #81 on: November 17, 2015, 09:51:16 AM »
Hard to run AC when power is barely available in a lot of the areas.

Use solar power!

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Re: Bernie Sanders just solved the terrorism problem.
« Reply #82 on: November 17, 2015, 09:56:35 AM »
I (or someone who has the time) can probably pull up 100 sources to counter it. But since TA and 240 seem to have times on their hands I'll just let them handle it. haha

there's huge wall of sources, you can't just gloss over it and type "hahah I'm convinced"

you've broken the record for ignorance
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Re: Bernie Sanders just solved the terrorism problem.
« Reply #83 on: November 17, 2015, 09:57:14 AM »
Use solar power!

Yeah, I could just see a bunch of terrorists on a roof waiting on the FED Ex delivery of solar panels.

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Re: Bernie Sanders just solved the terrorism problem.
« Reply #84 on: November 17, 2015, 09:59:07 AM »
So... we should directly alter our airstrikes with the fluctuations in weather? NOW WE HAVE A STRATEGY!!!

Drought = NUKE
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Re: Bernie Sanders just solved the terrorism problem.
« Reply #85 on: November 17, 2015, 09:59:20 AM »
there's huge wall of sources, you can't just gloss over it and type "hahah I'm convinced"

you've broken the record for ignorance

Actually the entire left has since you actually believe that bullshit. Read my reply to Pellius "Not according to bias left-wing bullshit "studies" that are only designed to shape public opinion".

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Re: Bernie Sanders just solved the terrorism problem.
« Reply #86 on: November 17, 2015, 10:12:09 AM »
Of course. The seek out to become terrorists for a better life and job security ::)

some are no longer able to farm, they go to cities and end up joining just for food and shelter.

i'm not saying it's mankind's fault.  I'm not saying they're right to make this fccked up choice.

I'm saying, as is our military, that in times of shit weather, more people are more likely to become terrorists, so we have to have our resources ready to fight them. I do'nt give a shit about helping them, about changing the weather, about taxing people to stop cyclical climate that happened long before us

I'm saying it's naive to pretend there aren't more bad guys during droughts.

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Re: Bernie Sanders just solved the terrorism problem.
« Reply #87 on: November 17, 2015, 10:13:12 AM »
Actually the entire left has since you actually believe that bullshit. Read my reply to Pellius "Not according to bias left-wing bullshit "studies" that are only designed to shape public opinion".

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Re: Bernie Sanders just solved the terrorism problem.
« Reply #88 on: November 17, 2015, 10:14:22 AM »
Actually the entire left has since you actually believe that bullshit. Read my reply to Pellius "Not according to bias left-wing bullshit "studies" that are only designed to shape public opinion".

THE US NAVY IS NOT A LEFT WING ORGANIZATION
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Re: Bernie Sanders just solved the terrorism problem.
« Reply #89 on: November 17, 2015, 10:21:04 AM »
FOR THOSE WONDERING WHAT'S GOING ON

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Re: Bernie Sanders just solved the terrorism problem.
« Reply #90 on: November 17, 2015, 10:35:51 AM »
THE US NAVY IS NOT A LEFT WING ORGANIZATION

The military in general isn't.

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Re: Bernie Sanders just solved the terrorism problem.
« Reply #91 on: November 17, 2015, 10:46:36 AM »
The military in general isn't.

The military is a socialist program

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Re: Bernie Sanders just solved the terrorism problem.
« Reply #92 on: November 17, 2015, 10:49:53 AM »
The military in general isn't.

so how did the navy get tricked into believing the hoax?

how does that happen?
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Re: Bernie Sanders just solved the terrorism problem.
« Reply #93 on: November 17, 2015, 11:04:52 AM »
The navy has to follow the policies set by the administration.  They have to agree.  They can't go against that policy, but must support it.

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Re: Bernie Sanders just solved the terrorism problem.
« Reply #94 on: November 17, 2015, 11:11:24 AM »
The navy has to follow the policies set by the administration.  They have to agree.  They can't go against that policy, but must support it.

but you'll notice it's not just the navy...

did google, apple, facebook, GM and 75 other major corporations suddenly get snafued by this left-wing hoax?

how does that work?

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/mairead-mcardle/81-companies-including-google-coca-cola-apple-join-obamas-fight-against

(notice the source is a hard core right-wing magazine  :D)
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Re: Bernie Sanders just solved the terrorism problem.
« Reply #95 on: November 17, 2015, 11:14:33 AM »
Actually the entire left has since you actually believe that bullshit. Read my reply to Pellius "Not according to bias left-wing bullshit "studies" that are only designed to shape public opinion".

not the entire left.

you can me a liberal, and i've called global warming manmade total BS from minute 1.  even as al gore and sarah palin blamed man for it... i've always said it's cyclical and would he happening with or without us.

Also i support impeachment of the kenyan obama, total liberal move.  And arming europe to fight isis themselves.  total lib move there too.


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Re: Bernie Sanders just solved the terrorism problem.
« Reply #96 on: November 17, 2015, 11:22:56 AM »
apparently the left has taken over the CIA

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Re: Bernie Sanders just solved the terrorism problem.
« Reply #97 on: November 17, 2015, 11:28:38 AM »
Hippies and tree-huggers have taken over the CIA!

I'll write the excuse for you guys: The President tells the CIA what to think.

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Re: Bernie Sanders just solved the terrorism problem.
« Reply #98 on: November 17, 2015, 11:52:03 AM »
Here are a few fringe left wing corporations signed up for action on climate change.

“We recognize that delaying action on climate change will be costly in economic and human terms,”

Abengoa Bioenergy US

Aemetis, Alcoa

American Express

Apple

AT&T

Autodesk

Bank of America

Berkshire Hathaway Energy

Best Buy

Biogen

Bloomberg

Cargill

CA Technologies

Calpine

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Coca-Cola

Cox Enterprises

Dell

DSM North America

EMC, Energy Optimizers

Ener-G Rudox

Facebook

Fulcrum Bioenergy

GE

General Mills

General Motors

Goldman Sachs

Google

Hershey’s

Hewlett Packard

Iberdrola USA

IBM

IKEA USA

Ingersoll Rand

International Paper

Intel

Intex Solutions, Inc.

Intren

Invenergy

Johnson and Johnson

Johnson Controls

Kellogg’s

Keystone Electrical Manufacturing

Kingspan Insulated Panels, Inc.

Lakeshore Learning Materials

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L’Oreal USA

Mars

McDonalds Corporation

Microsoft

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National Label Company

Nike

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Pacific Ethanol

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PG&E

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Portland General Electric

PwC US

Procter & Gamble

Qualcomm

Ricoh USA

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Schneider Electric

Siemens Corporation

SONY Corporation of America

Starbucks

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Re: Bernie Sanders just solved the terrorism problem.
« Reply #99 on: November 17, 2015, 11:52:45 AM »
Major Research Studies And Experts Back Up Sanders' Assessment That Climate Change Played Direct Role In Syrian Crisis

Study In National Academy Of Sciences Journal: Climate Change Likely Worsened Syrian Drought, Which Helped Cause Civil War. A study from scientists at the University of California, Santa Barbara and Columbia University published in the scientific journal, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), detailed the likely role climate change played in catalyzing civil unrest in Syria. The authors determined that climate change significantly increased the likelihood of a severe drought like the one that afflicted the region from 2007 to 2010, which was "the worst drought in the instrumental record, causing widespread crop failure and a mass migration of farming families to urban centers." The study found that human-induced climate change made a drought of such severity and persistence "2 to 3 times more likely than by natural variability alone," and concluded that "human influences on the climate system are implicated in the current Syrian conflict." From the study's abstract:

    There is evidence that the 2007−2010 drought contributed to the conflict in Syria. It was the worst drought in the instrumental record, causing widespread crop failure and a mass migration of farming families to urban centers. Century-long observed trends in precipitation, temperature, and sea-level pressure, supported by climate model results, strongly suggest that anthropogenic forcing has increased the probability of severe and persistent droughts in this region, and made the occurrence of a 3-year drought as severe as that of 2007−2010 2 to 3 times more likely than by natural variability alone. We conclude that human influences on the climate system are implicated in the current Syrian conflict. [Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 1/30/15]

Pacific Institute Study: "Climate Variability And Change" Played A Role In Causing Syria's Civil War. A 2014 study published in the American Meteorological Society journal Weather, Climate and Society by Pacific Institute President Peter Gleick found that climate change played a role -- among other interrelated factors -- in sparking Syria's civil war. From the study's abstract:

    The devastating civil war that began in Syria in March 2011 is the result of complex interrelated factors. The focus of the conflict is regime change, but the triggers include a broad set of religious and sociopolitical factors, the erosion of the economic health of the country, a wave of political reform sweeping over the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) and Levant region, and challenges associated with climate variability and change and the availability and use of freshwater. As described here, water and climatic conditions have played a direct role in the deterioration of Syria's economic conditions. [Weather, Climate and Society, July 2014]

Foreign Policy Expert William Polk: Climate Impacts Led To "Extreme Poverty" That Sparked Syrian Civil War. William Polk, a veteran foreign policy consultant, wrote in The Atlantic:

    Syria has been convulsed by civil war since climate change came to Syria with a vengeance. Drought devastated the country from 2006 to 2011. Rainfall in most of the country fell below eight inches (20 cm) a year, the absolute minimum needed to sustain un-irrigated farming. Desperate for water, farmers began to tap aquifers with tens of thousands of new well. But, as

    they did, the water table quickly dropped to a level below which their pumps could lift it.

    [USDA Foreign Agricultural Service, Commodity Intelligence Report, May 9, 2008]

    [USDA Foreign Agricultural Service, Commodity Intelligence Report, May 9, 2008]

    In some areas, all agriculture ceased. In others crop failures reached 75%. And generally as much as 85% of livestock died of thirst or hunger. Hundreds of thousands of Syria's farmers gave up, abandoned their farms and fled to the cities and towns in search of almost non-existent jobs and severely short food supplies. Outside observers including UN experts estimated that between 2 and 3 million of Syria's 10 million rural inhabitants were reduced to "extreme poverty."

    So tens of thousands of frightened, angry, hungry and impoverished former farmers ... constituted a "tinder" that was ready to catch fire. The spark was struck on March 15, 2011 when a relatively small group gathered in the town of Daraa to protest against government failure to help them. Instead of meeting with the protestors and at least hearing their complaints, the government cracked down on them as subversives. The Assads, who had ruled the country since 1971, were not known for political openness or popular sensitivity. And their action backfired. Riots broke out all over the country, As they did, the Assads attempted to quell them with military force. They failed to do so and, as outside help -- money from the Gulf states and Muslim "freedom fighters" from the rest of the world -- poured into the country, the government lost control over 30% of the country's rural areas and perhaps half of its population. By the spring of 2013, according to the United Nations High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR), upwards of 100,000 people had been killed in the fighting, perhaps 2 million have lost their homes and upwards of 2 million have fled abroad. Additionally, vast amounts of infrastructure, virtually whole cities like Aleppo, have been destroyed. [The Atlantic, 9/2/13]

Experts And Authorities State That Syrian Civil War Led To Rise Of ISIL

President Obama: ISIL Gained Prominence In Syria By Taking Advantage Of Civil War. In a statement about the United States' response to ISIL, President Obama said that ISIL, which was "formerly al Qaeda's affiliate in Iraq," has "taken advantage of sectarian strife and Syria's civil war to gain territory on both sides of the Iraq-Syrian border." [Whitehouse.gov, 9/10/14]

Council on Foreign Relations: "Syria's 2011 Uprising Helped In The Islamic State's Expansion." In a backgrounder on the Islamic State, yet another name for ISIL/ISIS, the Council on Foreign Relations stated:

    Sunni disenfranchisement in both Iraq and Syria created a vacuum that the Islamic State has exploited ... In Syria, a civil war erupted in 2011 pitting the ruling minority Alawis, a Shia offshoot, against the primarily Sunni opposition, spawning sectarian violence.

    [...]

    Syria's 2011 uprising helped in the Islamic State's expansion. [Council on Foreign Relations, updated 5/18/15]

Foreign Affairs: ISIS "Took Advantage" Of Chaos In Syria To Seize Territory, Establish Base Of Operations, And Rebrand Itself As ISIS. An article published in international relations journal Foreign Affairs explained how ISIS "took advantage" of the chaos as Syria devolved into a civil war:

    In 2011, as a revolt against the Assad regime in Syria expanded into a full-blown civil war, the group took advantage of the chaos, seizing territory in Syria's northeast, establishing a base of operations, and rebranding itself as ISIS. [Foreign Affairs, March/April 2015]

Vox: Syrian Civil War "Benefited ISIS Tremendously." A Vox explainer noted that "ISIS predated the Syrian Civil War," but that while "ISIS did not grow out of the Syrian rebellion: it took advantage of it." The explainer continued:

    Now, it's true the war in Syria benefited ISIS tremendously. It allowed ISIS to get battlefield experience, attracted a ton of financial support from Gulf states and private donors looking to oust Assad, and gave it a crucial safe haven in eastern Syria. ISIS also absorbed a lot of recruits from Syrian rebel groups -- illustrating, incidentally, why arming the "good" Syrian rebels probably wouldn't have destroyed ISIS. [Vox, accessed 7/21/15]

Major Military Reports Broadly Connect Climate Change To National Security

DOD Quadrennial Defense Review Considers Climate Change A "Threat Multiplier." The Department of Defense's 2014 Quadrennial Defense Review, which analyzes military threats, highlighted how extreme weather, increased food prices, and water scarcity -- all impacts of climate change -- aggravate existing social stressors that can "enable terrorist activity and other forms of violence"
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    Climate change poses another significant challenge for the United States and the world at large. As greenhouse gas emissions increase, sea levels are rising, average global temperatures are increasing, and severe weather patterns are accelerating. These changes, coupled with other global dynamics, including growing, urbanizing, more affluent populations, and substantial economic growth in India, China, Brazil, and other nations, will devastate homes, land, and infrastructure. Climate change may exacerbate water scarcity and lead to sharp increases in food costs. The pressures caused by climate change will influence resource competition while placing additional burdens on economies, societies, and governance institutions around the world. These effects are threat multipliers that will aggravate stressors abroad such as poverty, environmental degradation, political instability, and social tensions -- conditions that can enable terrorist activity and other forms of violence. [Department of Defense, Quadrennial Defense Review, March 2014]

Center for Naval Analyses: Climate Change Serves As "Catalyst For Conflict." The Center for Naval Analyses (CNA) -- a government-funded military research organization -- published a report in May 2014 on how the accelerating risks of climate change will impact national security. The New York Times summarized the report's findings:

    The CNA Corporation Military Advisory Board found that climate change-induced drought in the Middle East and Africa is leading to conflicts over food and water and escalating longstanding regional and ethnic tensions into violent clashes. The report also found that rising sea levels are putting people and food supplies in vulnerable coastal regions like eastern India, Bangladesh and the Mekong Delta in Vietnam at risk and could lead to a new wave of refugees. In addition, the report predicted that an increase in catastrophic weather events around the world will create more demand for American troops, even as flooding and extreme weather events at home could damage naval ports and military bases. [Center for Naval Analyses: National Security and the Accelerating Risks of Climate Change, May 2014; The New York Times, 5/13/14]


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