Travel restrictions on Muslims really outrageous?

[MoralMan]

Oh FFS. McVeigh was a Christian? Was he shouting JESUS SAVES JESUS LOVES YOU all the time? No. He was about as Christian as me, born into a Christian family but probably didn't believe any of it. Hey Santa Claus is more real to me as on Christmas eve when I was 8 I saw a shooting star and I thought that was Santa in his sleigh.

[residue]

[drkaje]

We as a country, I believe, can stomach it, we have before. We need someone in office that isn't afraid to say and do what needs to be done.

Viva Trump!!! (Fuck you 240isback!!)

I wonder if a ban on Muslims entering the US scares them more than ISIS.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Instead of putting all their energy in this shit, why not first have a hard stance on pedophiles and rapists?  I would like to see the law punish these fuckers in a medieval way.

[BIG ACH]

My position on Islam has changed and I admit that I was completely wrong.  

I used to feel like I do in the following posts:

Today, I feel that the majority of the kind, loving Muslims are basically nominal Muslims that love Allah, love Islam and follow Muhammad but only to a point.  In essence, ISIS represents true Islam and there are no "extremists".  What was formerly defined as "extremist" is basically your average Muslim.  That said, Islam is basically composed of true Muslims and nominal Muslims that do not follow the Quranic teachings.  ISIS represents Islam while the other billion folks are just "playing Islam" as it suits their personal tastes.

As a person who comes from a Muslim family I agree 100% with this statement.  HOWEVER, something, that is not often talked about is that... just as Christians have the new testament which softens the scriptures and offers a " rational" explanation to the old testament.  Muslims have what's called "hadith" which are religious documents that are supposed to provide a rational interpretation of the radical verses in the Koran.  Basically a way of saying " No, that's not really what's meant by -- fill in radical verse--" only problem is there are thousands of these documents, good luck finding the right ones and not running into contradictory ones :/

With that being said.... I'm out of the country right now for work.... Hope Trump let's me back in this weekend

[James]

As a person who comes from a Muslim family I agree 100% with this statement.  HOWEVER, something, that is not often talked about is that... just as Christians have the new testament which softens the scriptures and offers a " rational" explanation to the old testament.  Muslims have what's called "hadith" which are religious documents that are supposed to provide a rational interpretation of the radical verses in the Koran.  Basically a way of saying " No, that's not really what's meant by -- fill in radical verse--" only problem is there are thousands of these documents, good luck finding the right ones and not running into contradictory ones :/

With that being said.... I'm out of the country right now for work.... Hope Trump let's me back in this weekend

 


Interesting Quotes from the Hadith:

Muhammad said that if someone leaves Islam, to kill him.

Of the Unbelievers:  Sura 4:89 “seize them and slay them wherever you find them: and in any case take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”

Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Sura  9:5)

Take not the Jews and Christians for friends ... slay the idolaters [infidels] wherever ye find them. ...Fight against those who ... believe not in Allah nor the Last Day” (Sura 5:51; 9:5,29,41).

Sura 9:39  “If you do not fight, He will punish you severely, and put others in your place”

Sura 9:123: “Believers! wage war against such of the infidels as are your neighbours, and let them find you rigorous: and know that God is with those who fear him.” Hey neighbor how do you feel about this?



This guy called it:

[El Diablo Blanco]

My position on Islam has changed and I admit that I was completely wrong. 

I used to feel like I do in the following posts:

Today, I feel that the majority of the kind, loving Muslims are basically nominal Muslims that love Allah, love Islam and follow Muhammad but only to a point.  In essence, ISIS represents true Islam and there are no "extremists".  What was formerly defined as "extremist" is basically your average Muslim.  That said, Islam is basically composed of true Muslims and nominal Muslims that do not follow the Quranic teachings.  ISIS represents Islam while the other billion folks are just "playing Islam" as it suits their personal tastes.

Is this what your church is telling you?

[Rusty Trombone]

Maybe we should stop toppling arab leaders who know how to keep their people in check.

This.

[drkaje]

Is this what your church is telling you?

Is there any such animal as a moderate Christian?

[Parker]

Nothing is easier than to second guess and what should or should not have been done in the past. We can't go back in time. The question is, what should be done now?

And do you honestly believe that if we didn't support the Shah of Iran, ended our support of Israel, never invaded Iraq or Afghanistan, let Kuwait be annexed by Iraq, ended all involvement in the Middle East, that they would leave us alone?

They don't hate us for we we do. They hate us for what we are. What did France do to the Muslims other than welcome them into their country?

What do the conflicts in Afghanistan, Kuwait, Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo have in common? America supporting and defending Muslims.

You mean outside of France being a colonizer?
And then there is the whole complex Algeria situation. And many of the young men not being able to find work in France, along with other things, that maybe Jon Cole can speak on.

[El Diablo Blanco]

You mean outside of France being a colonizer?
And then there is the whole complex Algeria situation. And many of the young men not being able to find work in France, along with other things, that maybe Jon Cole can speak on.

Arguing with Pellius is like picking a fight with a kid with autism.  Just let it be Parker.

[Man of Steel]

Is this what your church is telling you?

My church says virtually nothing about ISIS and Islam or any other religion or faith system for that matter.   

They'll pray for victims of terrorist attacks and that sort of thing.

Maybe folks discuss it in small group settings at church, but I personally haven't been part of that discussion.   

[Las Vegas]

Oh FFS. McVeigh was a Christian? Was he shouting JESUS SAVES JESUS LOVES YOU all the time? No. He was about as Christian as me, born into a Christian family but probably didn't believe any of it. Hey Santa Claus is more real to me as on Christmas eve when I was 8 I saw a shooting star and I thought that was Santa in his sleigh.

Um, 8?  

Sure you want to stick with this story?

[B_B_C]

My position on Islam has changed and I admit that I was completely wrong.  

I used to feel like I do in the following posts:

Today, I feel that the majority of the kind, loving Muslims are basically nominal Muslims that love Allah, love Islam and follow Muhammad but only to a point.  In essence, ISIS represents true Islam and there are no "extremists".  What was formerly defined as "extremist" is basically your average Muslim.  That said, Islam is basically composed of true Muslims and nominal Muslims that do not follow the Quranic teachings.  ISIS represents Islam while the other billion folks are just "playing Islam" as it suits their personal tastes.

who would have known the only Christian would also be an authority on who is and isn't Islamic

[Donny]

My church says virtually nothing about ISIS and Islam or any other religion or faith system for that matter.   

They'll pray for victims of terrorist attacks and that sort of thing.

Maybe folks discuss it in small group settings at church, but I personally haven't been part of that discussion.   

you seem like a good man. However wake up to the reality of it, our Knights fought them and it will come again to a war.

[Man of Steel]

who would have known the only Christian would also be an authority on who is and isn't Islamic

Who said I was an expert on Islam?  What are the first two words of my post?  They are "My position".....this is my take on the situation. 

I've read multiple books on Islam, I've watched hours and hours of Islamic debate, I've been in several discussions with Muslims myself and based upon that information and the current practices of ISIS my stance on Islam has changed and I believe my previous opinion about "extremist Islam" was wrong.

If you disagree then so be it.

[Man of Steel]

you seem like a good man. However wake up to the reality of it, our Knights fought them and it will come again to a war.

Given the current actions of ISIS I would agree that more is about to happen and that my opinion of Islam has changed.

Again, I don't believe all folks that call themselves Muslim are bad folks....  I just believe they aren't fully following Quranic teachings and what I would have formerly defined as "extremist Islam" is actually just "Islam".   ISIS is much more aligned with the teachings of the Quran IMHO.

For example, Islamic apologists have often defended the attacks by Islamic objectors who utilize the infamous "sword verse" of Surah 9  to present their case against Islam.  As apologists have stated, this verse was meant only for a particular time in Islamic history and that it's meaning is abbrogated today.  I no longer believe that apologetic is correct.

[B_B_C]

Who said I was an expert on Islam?  What are the first two words of my post?  They are "My position".....this is my take on the situation. 

I've read multiple books on Islam, I've watched hours and hours of Islamic debate, I've been in several discussions with Muslims myself and based upon that information and the current practices of ISIS my stance on Islam has changed and I believe my previous opinion about "extremist Islam" was wrong.

If you disagree then so be it.

ok I stand corrected I should have said :
who would have known the only Christian would also have a position on who is and isn't Islamic

[Man of Steel]

ok I stand corrected I should have said :
who would have known the only Christian would also have a position on who is and isn't Islamic

LOL ok, I guess I am.

[pellius]

You mean outside of France being a colonizer?
And then there is the whole complex Algeria situation. And many of the young men not being able to find work in France, along with other things, that maybe Jon Cole can speak on.

Well, both Britain and America has done some colonizing as well. But I'm not sure I understand your point. I know you are  not suggesting that France had it coming and what goes around comes around.

France has allowed easy access for Muslims to enter their country and look how they have fared. The same can happen here. There should be no religious test to enter this country but Islam is more than just a religion. It is a political and cultural ideology.

The fact of the matter is, where ever Muslims goes they create war, oppression, murder and suffering. They must be contained and one of the reasons Trump has such a populist appeal. He's brave enough to say what most people are thinking.

[pellius]

Arguing with Pellius is like picking a fight with a kid with autism.  Just let it be Parker.

 

[Thin Lizzy]

This.

That everyone, myself included, agrees that the best way to govern the Middle East is with a collection of tyrannical dictators speaks volumes about the area.

[Tha Grim Lifter]

We should have a poll who will be the next terrorist group after ISIS. Maybe Obama could drop a hint in his next speech.

[drkaje]

Given the current actions of ISIS I would agree that more is about to happen and that my opinion of Islam has changed.

Again, I don't believe all folks that call themselves Muslim are bad folks....  I just believe they aren't fully following Quranic teachings and what I would have formerly defined as "extremist Islam" is actually just "Islam".   ISIS is much more aligned with the teachings of the Quran IMHO.

For example, Islamic apologists have often defended the attacks by Islamic objectors who utilize the infamous "sword verse" of Surah 9  to present their case against Islam.  As apologists have stated, this verse was meant only for a particular time in Islamic history and that it's meaning is abbrogated today.  I no longer believe that apologetic is correct.

Thoughtful and interesting observation. Couldn't the same be said regarding any religion?

[El Diablo Blanco]

Given the current actions of ISIS I would agree that more is about to happen and that my opinion of Islam has changed.

Again, I don't believe all folks that call themselves Muslim are bad folks....  I just believe they aren't fully following Quranic teachings and what I would have formerly defined as "extremist Islam" is actually just "Islam".   ISIS is much more aligned with the teachings of the Quran IMHO.

For example, Islamic apologists have often defended the attacks by Islamic objectors who utilize the infamous "sword verse" of Surah 9  to present their case against Islam.  As apologists have stated, this verse was meant only for a particular time in Islamic history and that it's meaning is abbrogated today.  I no longer believe that apologetic is correct.

Goodness you're stupid.  Isis is not Islam period.  Extreme or radicalized. It is a group of Kitiona attracting psychopaths for hire to kill others. Real Muslims don't blow up mosques or kills those while praying.  Muslims won't even walk into a mosque with shoes on let alone be blowing them up.  Islam respects history and Isis is pissing all over it. They are lunatics.  They aren't fighting for religion. They're fighting for their own agenda.