Turnibol

[ritch]

Tbol and anavar are the two best orals I've ever used.  Tbol gives strength like nothing else, except halotestin.  40-60 mg should be plenty, if not it's junk, or you just don't respond to it.  Great drug, no water weight at all.

That's not true at all. You're just lucky to respond to small doses. Anything under 60mg won't do nothing for most people. Your described dose is what most use for dbal and dbal is way stronger, so it's normal people need more tbal to feel it.

[balzac]

I prefer Epi over var... Epi is the shit!!!! Hard to find real deal var.... plus if u find it so damn expensive.. So i better off using var.. Sad they ban it in usa

still any good epi brand out there ?

[Gainsi]

still any good epi brand out there ?

Olympus Labs and EpiRebuild

[aleksis]

Not in usa thou

[Gainsi]

Doesnt come from the usa

[Disco187]

Interesting info on the turn, was something i always overlooked,
i always stay away from orals now because i get bad digestion and i wind up with a bloated stomach and the ocasional heart burn and orange piss.  Since in previous posts on this thread says its low toxicity does anyone still experience the digestion and heartburn on turnibool?

[balzac]

Olympus Labs and EpiRebuild

which one did you have from olympus ?

[Gainsi]

which one did you have from olympus ?

Second one. The first should be g2g too, I have seen it on jwsupplements, everything they have is good. The second is 15mg x120 pills

[ritch]

Interesting info on the turn, was something i always overlooked,
i always stay away from orals now because i get bad digestion and i wind up with a bloated stomach and the ocasional heart burn and orange piss.  Since in previous posts on this thread says its low toxicity does anyone still experience the digestion and heartburn on turnibool?

The orange piss is not because it's toxic, was told it's due to the by product or some shit but it's not toxic.

[Gainsi]

The orange piss is not because it's toxic, was told it's due to the by product or some shit but it's not toxic.

I remember swallowing orals like candy, and shooting up more tren than i can remember, my piss was always nearly crystal white or slightly yellow. All i took was livercare 3x a day with raw nasty tudca for my liver. My kidneys had weird pain though, or tiny cramps, never cared enough to be worried

[ritch]

I remember swallowing orals like candy, and shooting up more tren than i can remember, my piss was always nearly crystal white or slightly yellow. All i took was livercare 3x a day with raw nasty tudca for my liver. My kidneys had weird pain though, or tiny cramps, never cared enough to be worried

Surprised to read that.
LIver care gives me the shits if I take more than one tab per day.

[Gainsi]

Surprised to read that.
LIver care gives me the shits if I take more than one tab per day.

1 morning mid day and before bed

[Jizmo]

The orange piss is not because it's toxic, was told it's due to the by product or some shit but it's not toxic.

i get neon piss from taking too much multivitamins. its just vitamins you piss out.

i never had discolored piss from tren, orals or whatever. and ive used pretty damn high dosages of sdrol, methyltren etc. also had pretty wrecked liver numbers once. piss color never changed at all.

[Gainsi]

i get neon piss from taking too much multivitamins. its just vitamins you piss out.

i never had discolored piss from tren, orals or whatever. and ive used pretty damn high dosages of sdrol, methyltren etc. also had pretty wrecked liver numbers once. piss color never changed at all.

Hahaha true that vitamins make you piss neon, i think it's the b vitamins. Only time it would change is when i didnt drink enough water or when i over did supplements, body wouldnt absorb them all so i'd piss em out

[ritch]

i get neon piss from taking too much multivitamins. its just vitamins you piss out.

i never had discolored piss from tren, orals or whatever. and ive used pretty damn high dosages of sdrol, methyltren etc. also had pretty wrecked liver numbers once. piss color never changed at all.

maybe they messed up your eye sight and you could not see the orange piss?

[Jizmo]

maybe they messed up your eye sight and you could not see the orange piss?

lol nah, havent used that S4 shit sarm

[triggerhappy]

i get neon piss from taking too much multivitamins. its just vitamins you piss out.

i never had discolored piss from tren, orals or whatever. and ive used pretty damn high dosages of sdrol, methyltren etc. also had pretty wrecked liver numbers once. piss color never changed at all.

I have had some pretty bad numbers on dbol... What do use to get them back down and how long has it taken you to get them back in range?

Also while we are talking about bloodwork. What do you use to control lipids using tren like you do? Mine were always out of range but never that far to worry about to much.

[Jizmo]

I have had some pretty bad numbers on dbol... What do use to get them back down and how long has it taken you to get them back in range?

Also while we are talking about bloodwork. What do you use to control lipids using tren like you do? Mine were always out of range but never that far to worry about to much.

liver supps are a waste of time. your liver heals itself. that being said, i always have some NAC in my drawer just in case. ALA and vit C i use regularly (not BECAUSE of the liver though=

my HDL is wrecked. niacin and cardio helps.

[heenok]

I think TUDCA has some pretty solid research behind it considering liver protection. I mean if you can afford it why not run it ? Especially if you are taking something very strong like SD or M1T... Better be safe than sorry i guess.

[triggerhappy]

liver supps are a waste of time. your liver heals itself. that being said, i always have some NAC in my drawer just in case. ALA and vit C i use regularly (not BECAUSE of the liver though=

my HDL is wrecked. niacin and cardio helps.

I take nac and niacin and tudca and do cardio 50min a day and still shit. Back to prescription lipid mess I think and up the tudca dose

[Jizmo]

dunno if NAC or TUDCA do anything for cholesterol tbh
oh DO NOT use statins. theyre garbage and pose their own health risks. also there has never been any proof that statins lower the risk for cardiovascular diseases, even if they raise HDL or drop LDL.

i havent done bloodwork on niacin and lots of cardio yet, but ive not been on any less than 1.5g gear for around 2 years now (only about 12 weeks cruise in total, yeah dont judge me)..

i guess genetically i have low LDL because my LDL is always low no matter what i do.
HDL was wrecked the last 2 bloodworks though (single digits).
anything else was perfect though (RBC, hematocrit, apoA, triglycerides etc) so im never too worried.

i could have genetically low HDL anyway, who knows, lol.
never did bloodwork before AAS.

[triggerhappy]

I use nac and tudca for my liver.

I am the same never did BW before aas use but when i did come off everything was back in range except test and LH and FSH

Even on cruise my lipids are slightly out of range which my dr said is very common in bodybuilding and the amount of food we eat. When i did come off everything for 3 months i went to 3 meals a day and everything was normal. Ill take that as food intake.... hahah