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Re: How much protein is really needed
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2016, 05:54:10 AM »
You realize that's for athletes, who eat a ton of carbs cause they train 10 hours a day. Bodybuilders are not athletes, they work out for a max of 2 hours a day (and that's the John Meadows types). Bodybuilders are better off eating more protein and less carbs cause 90% of their day is spent on the couch.
Real athletes, runners, sprinters, swimmers, etc... are better off being lighter but stronger #-for-#. Bodybuilders need to LOOK bigger while strength/skill is completely secondary. That's why you can't translate IOC's recommendation to bodybuilders.

Completely unscientific reasoning.

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Re: How much protein is really needed
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2016, 05:58:38 AM »
If natural you can probably get away without fart powder given a good diet.
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Re: How much protein is really needed
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2016, 05:58:56 AM »
Completely unscientific reasoning.

Please elaborate.

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Re: How much protein is really needed
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2016, 07:12:48 AM »
Please elaborate.

The more muscle mass you have the more energy you need while doing nothing.  Look up base metabolic rate.

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Re: How much protein is really needed
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2016, 07:14:01 AM »
If natural you can probably get away without fart powder given a good diet.


Not even. It's just not realistic to get 200gr protein per day from whole food. I do 50/50 or so to get 220ish grams.
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Re: How much protein is really needed
« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2016, 07:18:19 AM »
Not even. It's just not realistic to get 200gr protein per day from whole food. I do 50/50 or so to get 220ish grams.

220 is a lot.
Might have to cheat using peanut butter and the like.
Yeah, not that easy on those numbers.

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Re: How much protein is really needed
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2016, 07:19:49 AM »
220 is a lot.
Might have to cheat using peanut butter and the like.
Yeah, not that easy on those numbers.



I don't even count the protein in peanut butter. It counts, yes, but not really.
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Re: How much protein is really needed
« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2016, 07:38:47 AM »
I don't even count the protein in peanut butter. It counts, yes, but not really.

Same here - don't count PB, lentils, pasta or anything else like that.

Then again, I don't actually count anything, but agree in principle.
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Re: How much protein is really needed
« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2016, 07:42:35 AM »
Been eating 250+/day for close to 25 years. I like protein.

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Re: How much protein is really needed
« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2016, 07:54:04 AM »
The more muscle mass you have the more energy you need while doing nothing.  Look up base metabolic rate.

Lol I know BMR. But what I'm saying is most successful bbers take gear to maintain the muscle and eat a ton of protein, because you need aminos to support muscle mass. It would be counter-productive for someone to eat 800g carbs and 100g protein, when 300g protein and 500g carbs is probably more beneficial to someone who is sedentary most of the day (even at 250+lbs) because the goal is to keep as much muscle as possible while minimizing bodyfat. An endurance athlete can benefit way more from 1000g carbs/day and 100g protein because they don't care about maintaining muscle mass, they need energy for performance. Bodybuilders "perform" for an hour at the gym 5 days a week. Toss in 20mins steady-state cardio and you have Mr. O.
Protein is metabolized differently than carbs. It takes your body more energy to break down protein into aminos, use that for muscle repair, and then gluconeogenesis for what's left over than carbs going right into glucose and being used as energy that way. Plus, we have studies which show that food high in leucine (found in mostly eggs and meat) promote better muscle protein synthesis than things low or missing leucine such as most carbs sources.
Source: http://jn.nutrition.org/content/136/2/533S.full
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recovery is apparently dependent on supplemental dietary leucine in order to increase the intracellular leucine concentration, which activates mTOR and the initiation factors eIF4E and eIF4G.

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Re: How much protein is really needed
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2016, 08:04:32 AM »
If natural you can probably get away without fart powder given a good diet.


When i competed and used small dose test i didn't touched fart powder. Makes you hold water.

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Re: How much protein is really needed
« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2016, 08:18:38 AM »
When i competed and used small dose test i didn't touched fart powder. Makes you hold water.

I never noticed the difference... Or is that something that works in synergy with test? You'd think drinking protein powder would make you hold less water, since, assuming its an isolate, it doesn't have lactose or anything else but protein and sweetener in it. I've never noticed a difference between eating 6 meals a day or eating 4 + 2 shakes, physique-wise.

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Re: How much protein is really needed
« Reply #37 on: January 19, 2016, 08:44:31 AM »
Not even. It's just not realistic to get 200gr protein per day from whole food. I do 50/50 or so to get 220ish grams.

Do you really notice a difference with such high protein?

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Re: How much protein is really needed
« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2016, 08:48:57 AM »
Do you really notice a difference with such high protein?

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Re: How much protein is really needed
« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2016, 08:52:48 AM »
Do you really notice a difference with such high protein?

Compared to say 180, yes. I've never seen benefits over 240ish though. Just the need to shit.

I need carbs, lots of them.
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Re: How much protein is really needed
« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2016, 09:12:17 AM »
Lol I know BMR. But what I'm saying is most successful bbers take gear to maintain the muscle and eat a ton of protein, because you need aminos to support muscle mass. It would be counter-productive for someone to eat 800g carbs and 100g protein, when 300g protein and 500g carbs is probably more beneficial to someone who is sedentary most of the day (even at 250+lbs) because the goal is to keep as much muscle as possible while minimizing bodyfat. An endurance athlete can benefit way more from 1000g carbs/day and 100g protein because they don't care about maintaining muscle mass, they need energy for performance. Bodybuilders "perform" for an hour at the gym 5 days a week. Toss in 20mins steady-state cardio and you have Mr. O.
Protein is metabolized differently than carbs. It takes your body more energy to break down protein into aminos, use that for muscle repair, and then gluconeogenesis for what's left over than carbs going right into glucose and being used as energy that way. Plus, we have studies which show that food high in leucine (found in mostly eggs and meat) promote better muscle protein synthesis than things low or missing leucine such as most carbs sources.
Source: http://jn.nutrition.org/content/136/2/533S.full

I grow more (not fat) when I have a decent amount of carbs each day.

I misread your original point as I was rushing. I thought you said low protein

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Re: How much protein is really needed
« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2016, 09:15:13 AM »
Do you really notice a difference with such high protein?

When I purposely used to drive protein to the 250+ gram range, I routinely felt fuller and stronger.  Now, it could have also been the fact that I was younger.

I'll give it a shot over the next 10 days just for the fuck of it.
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Re: How much protein is really needed
« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2016, 09:15:39 AM »
Same here - don't count PB, lentils, pasta or anything else like that.

Then again, I don't actually count anything, but agree in principle.

Why don't they count considering all the items you listed provide protein/amino acids, and even in the case of incomplete ones, the body is quite efficient at storing and recycling amino acids and even ones from our own muscle tissue?

There have always been men and still are those who have great mass and strength who do not go by the played-out, unscientific recommendation of one gram of bro-tein per pound or more.

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Re: How much protein is really needed
« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2016, 10:13:19 AM »
If I were to count the protein I get just from post workout pasta I'd have about 17 grams. So I guess I only need like 23 grams of protein from chicken to get my 40ish wanted/needed for that meal huh?

If I listened to fools like you I never would have weighed over 200lbs. You guys just don't get the big picture and sound like bookworms who've never lifted a weight.

Please post pics of how huge 150 grams of protein will get you. Since I can see this not happening already, gonna get straight to the part where I tell you to shut the fuck up.

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Re: How much protein is really needed
« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2016, 10:32:46 AM »
If I were to count the protein I get just from post workout pasta I'd have about 17 grams. So I guess I only need like 23 grams of protein from chicken to get my 40ish wanted/needed for that meal huh?

If I listened to fools like you I never would have weighed over 200lbs. You guys just don't get the big picture and sound like bookworms who've never lifted a weight.

Please post pics of how huge 150 grams of protein will get you. Since I can see this not happening already, gonna get straight to the part where I tell you to shut the fuck up.



Funny how Mike Mentzer got to his size considering his paltry 60 to 80 gram protein intake.

You would have reached 200 for sure given you took in enough calories, even with lowered protein intake, tough guy!

I don't get the picture? I'm 36 and have lifted since my late teens. And to think I will post pictures on a board like this and give up anonymity?  ;D

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Re: How much protein is really needed
« Reply #45 on: January 19, 2016, 10:33:58 AM »
If I were to count the protein I get just from post workout pasta I'd have about 17 grams. So I guess I only need like 23 grams of protein from chicken to get my 40ish wanted/needed for that meal huh?




That's correct. Something wrong with this fact: 17 + 23 = 40. I know, sometimes lifters have problems with reality.

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Re: How much protein is really needed
« Reply #46 on: January 19, 2016, 10:54:43 AM »
If you are natural a gram per pound of lean mass is more than sufficient.

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Re: How much protein is really needed
« Reply #47 on: January 19, 2016, 11:00:16 AM »
I have seen earlier studies that show even on a low protein diet you can build muscle.  It seems all the current "research" on protein needs is just grabbed out of people's asses from questionable internet sources or the protein powder companies clinical trials. The clinical trails are always conducted at an unknown and undocumented "clinic".  I want to see the nitrogen retention tests using low and high protein diets on guys that weight train.

I use protein powder and I think it's out of insecurity that I might be missing out if I didn't use the expensive fart powder. Most of the protein companies that claim their powder is better than their competition is actually sourced from the same supplier of whey.

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Re: How much protein is really needed
« Reply #48 on: January 19, 2016, 11:03:38 AM »
You can get away with much less than generally accepted.
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Re: How much protein is really needed
« Reply #49 on: January 19, 2016, 11:15:12 AM »
If I were to count the protein I get just from post workout pasta I'd have about 17 grams. So I guess I only need like 23 grams of protein from chicken to get my 40ish wanted/needed for that meal huh?

If I listened to fools like you I never would have weighed over 200lbs. You guys just don't get the big picture and sound like bookworms who've never lifted a weight.

Please post pics of how huge 150 grams of protein will get you. Since I can see this not happening already, gonna get straight to the part where I tell you to shut the fuck up.

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