having kids....i still dont know the right move

[Radical Plato]

You're still intoxicated, inadequate and smarter ppl will use that against you. At the very least. The worst is when some figure it's all bullshit, a mental breakdown can happen with bad consequences. BUT - I'm all for a religion as a substitute to alcohol or psychotic drugs, was merely saying that weak ppl produce other weak ppl, and they suffer as much usualy, while these who produce them feel like they are "accomplishing" something, when it's often a vice versa situation. Only a select few should reproduce, but the funny thing is - these usualy doesn't want to, while the fools and various kinds of degenerates eagerly spread their genes like cockroaches.

This is so true, the people who least should be reproducing do so the most.  They even made a movie about this called 'Idiocracy", a dystopian future where virtually every one is a complete idiot.  Kind of like a real life version of getbig. 

[Radical Plato]

I really want to have a son some day, but I don't want to get married ever. I'm a loner at heart, and never want to deal with living with a woman and have my life controlled and do things I don't want to do to please my wife. I hope it is possible to adopt a child as a single man.

You're kidding right, you have two strikes against when adopting 1) single and even worse 2) You're a MAN

[Grape Ape]

I always thought having children in this day and age was the most selfish thing anybody could do.  It isn't like we need more people and the resources already stretched thin to the ground now, so if people aren't having them to benefit the rest of us, who are they having them for?  Remaining childless is an altruistic act.

Yes, we all agree you choosing to end your bloodline is altruistic.

[NickEdge779]

You're kidding right, you have two strikes against when adopting 1) single and even worse 2) You're a MAN

Ya, it sucks. Only thing going for me is I have a pretty good income.

[twitchfibres]

http://www.amazon.com/Men-Strike-Boycotting-Marriage-Fatherhood/dp/1594037620

[BIG ACH]

Some one added a good question about how long you two have been married for?  This makes a difference.

We were married for 7 years before having kids.  And before marriage we dated for like 6 years on and off.  That definitely helps with the "feeling ready" factor.

[FitnessFrenzy]

Its funny when people like radical plato who lives in a basement more or less calls people idiots because they got kids....he is so miswrable of his own life that it didnt turned out as he tought so raggin on others that have the life he imagined makes him feel better


Look at dp  he totaly understands why people want kids but he knows its just not for him and i totally understand people like him. Nothing wrong with  not wanting to have having kidd

from the respective member's posting history, how are you able to predict that radical plato has a low socio-economic status? Has he disclosed details about his private life?

[FitnessFrenzy]

a few radical plato posts that support my previously mentioned theory:

Their is something seriously wrong with this Hank Wood, Like bodybuilders are the only self obsessed narcissistic individuals on the planet, Look around, almost everyone you meet is self obsessed, to make a living these days, to succeed in any career you need to focus almost entirely on that career at the expense of wife, family and friends.  Judging by your posts Hank, you appear to be very self obsessed, Why aren't you out doing charity work at the local hospital if community service is what you preach instead of spewing bullshit all over these boards, writing like you have some monopoly on the truth.  Your inferiority complex is evident in every post you make, I don't think your in any position to psychologically analyse anybody considering the fragility of your own psyche.  I have noticed that you have never responded to any of my critique's of your posts, are you afraid to take on someone who may stand up to you or is it easier to cowardly attack those not present.

Einstein said "Imagination is more important than intelligence".  Sami is lucky, as he has a great imagination

E-Kul is not Lee,  Just a fan Of Lee's from Australia.  I am supportive of Lee's cause as I want to see him continue to compete in the IFBB.  He is the only real competitive bodybuilder we have from down under, and without Lee competing, I would lose interest in the sport.  I watched Lee compete when he won the Australian Grand Prix in Melbourne, and he was without a doubt the most popular athlete there.  He was also in fantastic shape, and went above and beyond the call of duty spending time with fans chatting, signing his autograph and participating in photo opportunities.  In relation to Lee's attacks on the IFBB, I think some of the problem is a cultural one, in Australia we aren't so sensitive about criticism, if anything it is welcome, as we like to hear everyones opinions, good and bad.  Criticism from others is an opportunity for growth, it reminds us not to take life so seriously and reduces our arrogance and bigotry.

[Radical Plato]

Yes, we all agree you choosing to end your bloodline is altruistic.

Well I come from an incredibly large family, so sorry to inform you that the bloodline will carry on for some time yet. Not that I care,my ego isn't so large that I am concerned with what happens after I am gone.  The human race is eventually doomed anyway, it will just deteriorate exponentially quicker because morons outbreed everyone else.

[FitnessFrenzy]

Well I come from an incredibly large family, so sorry to inform you that the bloodline will carry on for some time yet. Not that I care,my ego isn't so large that I am concerned with what happens after I am gone.  The human race is eventually doomed anyway, it will just deteriorate exponentially quicker because morons outbreed everyone else.

your 12k Getbig posts will live on forever. Wiggs will make a device containing all the Getbig posts and he will present it to the residents of Nibiru. There, he will become the royal emperor's head nurse.

[Radical Plato]

a few radical plato posts that support my previously mentioned theory:

Jesus H Christ, posts from 2007.  Even I can't be fucked trawling through the 12,000 plus posts I have made.  But it is good to read actually, it gives me some idea how much my thinking has changed and where it is still the same.

I loved Hank Wood, not sure if he was a gimmick or not, but he was a master troller.

[Radical Plato]

your 12k Getbig posts will live on forever. Wiggs will make a device containing all the Getbig posts and he will present it to the residents of Nibiru. There, he will become the royal emperor's head nurse.

I thought Nibiru was going to destroy Earth?

[Primemuscle]

That's a joke right.  That rarely happens in the West, children abandon their parents and they often die alone after a long bout of loneliness.

I believe that I am one of those rare examples where my children are here for me in everyway. I will not die alone and lonely, just as my wife didn't, thanks to their caring and loving devotion to us. Not only do my biological children call me dad, but so do their spouses. My four grandchildren call me "gramps". It feels great to  be privileged as to be thought of as such. When he starts talking, my great grandson will be another family member to call me great grampa.

[Primemuscle]

It has been shown that when people become parents for the first time their own unconscious memories from their own childhood kick in and they start replaying old records.  This is why so many people simply repeat what was done to them without questioning it, so if you were beaten you are more likely to beat your kids, if you were loved, then you are more likely to love your kids.  This is why I think those from extremely abusive and dysfunctional homes shouldn't reproduce.  Having said that the majority of families are abusive or dysfunctional in some way.

This depends on what one derives from their dysfunctional family. Some of us work to create the exact opposite of what we experienced as kids. I am not personally familiar with physical abuse, not having ever been physically abused and not having abused my children. I do remember reciting those annoying little clichés which I said I never would to my children.

[Primemuscle]

exactly

for all those who didn't choose kids, imagine you had spent the last 20+ years being a parent

for all those who chose kids, imagine you had spent the last 20+ years without, developing in other ways

either way, would you regret your decision?

I do not believe in regrets....so no, I do not regret choosing to have a family.

[Primemuscle]

why would anyone willingly bring another human being into this POS PC world?


just place the Qur'an in the crib

To contribute something positive to the sadly negative world we live in today. It's called hope.

[Primemuscle]

thanks guys. is there any merit to procreating because your partner, who you love,  wants to? i know she would be a great mom. is that a reason enough. alot of things we have done so far is because I wanted to...i wanted to move states, so we moved, we vacation where i want to, etc. our life up to this poijnt has been very influenced by what I want....

It might be time for you to give something back to this person who has supported you and what you want. Don't feel bad though, a lot of women still look to the man to make decisions about the kinds of things you mentioned.

[Primemuscle]

i am definitely the adolescent you speak of

You could be right, but it is more likely you are wrong. Folks who fall into that category rarely acknowledge their shortcomings. You doing so is actually a sign of maturity. 

[illuminati]

Some wise words from primemuscle.

Yes have children - there maybe a few regrets / and hard times here and there.
The Love & The Great Times More Than Make & Out Weigh Them.

How did we all get here, I'm sure some of our parents had doubts.
Go ahead & Enjoy.

[Primemuscle]

Been there /done that.

My first wife developed a deep desire to have kids, 3-4 yrs into the marriage.
I never wanted 'em and never changed on that.
It became obvious she really did want children.
Sadly there was no compromise on that, so we divorced.

The desire to raise children is a deeply personal thing.
In my opinion, it's obvious how you feel inside.

The tough thing now is dealing with that harsh truth on both sides.
She will want you to change. She will think you can change.
BUT, reality is a real muthafuka .

All the best. pm me if you want.

In my opinion, you are reading too much of yourself into Thong's posts. It seems fairly obvious how he feels inside and that's unsure about what he wants. Otherwise he wouldn't be asking a bunch of strangers what he should do.

[Primemuscle]

option 3 - all anal, all the time = natures best form of birth control .
Now get to work stretching her fart locker

FYI< I like option 2 above.

How about you show your wife what you posted here? If there is any truth in this, she'd be wise to leave you.  It appears that you have no respect for women at all.

[Primemuscle]

Holy shit, that was the exact same age my 1st wife started in on me.
Like you I waffled for a bit and really loved her.
But here's the final deal, had we stayed married:
I didn't want to be a father and would have been forced into it and felt resentment.
She would have been forced to give up on motherhood and resented the hell out of me.

The only sensible thing to do was treat each other with dignity , respect and get a  divorce.
I never had regrets once I made the call.

So the call was yours and yours alone to make, I presume.

[38-26-40]

Love it PrimeMuscle. Thanks for the posts!

[Primemuscle]

I don't think anyone should get married and have kids. 100% serious
I enjoy being partners and am happily married to my current wife .

Why does marriage have to result in kids?

It doesn't. My sister-in-law and her husband have been married for a very long time. Neither of them wanted children. They seem to be very content with their lives. Point is they made this decision together before they married.

While the world is overrun with people, so there is merit in producing less of them at this point. However if no one reproduced humans would be non-existent in a few generations.

[Primemuscle]

I really want to have a son some day, but I don't want to get married ever. I'm a loner at heart, and never want to deal with living with a woman and have my life controlled and do things I don't want to do to please my wife. I hope it is possible to adopt a child as a single man.

It is, if you are willing to adopt a child who is not perfect and not an infant. If you want the whole experience of raising a child from birth, you could chose to have a surrogate carry your child until it is born.