Re: having kids....

[da_vinci]

I have no shame of scripture whatsoever.   Why would it be any surprise that a Christian would quote scripture?   Why would it be any surprise that a Christian would take personally attacks upon his faith and that of Jesus Christ?  It's not as if you've discovered some new truth here LOL.

I know the gospel message makes you recoil and that scripture, Jesus Christ and the cross is an offense to you, but know I will not stop representing Christ or posting scripture.  

FYI ~ Islam means "surrender" and Muslim means "one that surrenders"  

You are a weak man addicted to an aritificial buzz created by your own imagination. No need to continue all this, if not god you'd have most probably been dead for a long time already as you coldn't handle life with a sober mind for a longer time.

[Radical Plato]

This like telling someone that they cannot have an opinion on Scientology because they haven't been trying to reach Operating Thetan level. It would be absurd to take the Bible seriously because it is the folklore of ancient times.

These are universally accepted truths. Religiosity rates have been falling across the civilized world because people come to realise them.

God does not exist. It is a superstition.

Sadly, the most popular form of evangelism and religious conversion is through indoctrinating their own children.  Teaching children religion should be viewed as a form of child abuse and punishable by law. JMO

[Radical Plato]

It's always those "not interested in religion" that have the most to say about religion.   

That's because they know the most about it, hence the reason for having 'no interest".  The more one learns about religion, the more irrational and ridiculous it becomes and the reality dawns that only a desperate or misguided fool could cling to faith rather than reason.

[OB1]

Sadly, the most popular form of evangelism and religious conversion is through indoctrinating their own children.  Teaching children religion should be viewed as a form of child abuse and punishable by law. JMO

Agreed.

[Chidoman]

Sadly, the most popular form of evangelism and religious conversion is through indoctrinating their own children.  Teaching children religion should be viewed as a form of child abuse and punishable by law. JMO

This ^^^^^^ Dead On!!

[Primemuscle]

This ^^^^^^ Dead On!!

The OP asked for some serious help in solving a personal dilemma having to do with marriage and children. Your off topic conversations about religion offer him no pertinent insight. Move the religious talk to the thread intended for it.

[Radical Plato]

The OP asked for some serious help in solving a personal dilemma having to do with marriage and children. Your off topic conversations about religion offer him no pertinent insight. Move the religious talk to the thread intended for it.

Yeah, and we are telling him not to abuse a child if he has one through religious indoctrination.  One couldn't receive better advice regarding the issue of child rearing.  How many lives are destroyed because parents force feed their religious irrationality down some poor childs throats, not to mention priests forcing something else down the child's throat.

[Grape Ape]

Having children with any woman can be a mixed bag regardless of how well intentioned or prepared.
BIG ARCH kinda backed into the whole daddy deal and seems quite happy (in his posted experience on it).

So, it can be this incredible, joyful albeit somewhat stressful and overwhelming experience.
That's the up side of parenting.
The reality is that 50% of all marriages end in divorce and most had kids during their marriage.
For most men this results to be tethered to some resentful, bitchy woman for the next 10-20 yrs .
Plus, you'll fork over some child support and alimony in the process.

I've observed plenty of beaten down men, meeting their former spouse to car pool or exchange kids at some McDonald's lot . The poor bastard looks stressed to the max and depressed. The kids are screaming for a Happy Meal and the ex-wife is a real McBitch. He trudges off with the diaper bag and various kid items for his 2x month weekend with daddy.

Yes, my dear getbiggers, having kids can be a joyful lifestyle for a few lucky ones.
Most end up like the divorced dad, getting kids for the weekend at the McDonald's from ex wife McBitch.

If it's worth that lifestyle, have at it.

Thanks Howard....very helpful......


......just like the other 4 thousand times you've posted a version of this exact same thing.

More importantly, what happened to this thread?  Why are 2/3 of it gone?

[OB1]

I think it got too de-railed and religious.
Therefore it was cut.

[Raymondo]

I have no shame of scripture whatsoever.   Why would it be any surprise that a Christian would quote scripture?

Using scripture to prove the existence of God is the height of absurdity.
It is like saying that Xenu exists because L. Ron Hubbard says so.

You are not arguing with a "believer" here and even if you were it would make no sense. The more religion is examined the more of its nonsensical and ludicrous nature is revealed.

Why would it be any surprise that a Christian would take personally attacks upon his faith and that of Jesus Christ?  It's not as if you've discovered some new truth here LOL.

I know the gospel message makes you recoil and that scripture, Jesus Christ and the cross is an offense to you, but know I will not stop representing Christ or posting scripture.  

FYI ~ Islam means "surrender" and Muslim means "one that surrenders"  

Your beliefs are not offensive to me. Submitting or surrendering to an entity that does not exist can only have deleterious effects in my opinion, apart from very specific circumstances, such as severe alcohol/drug addictions. There is nothing wrong with it, either. Clearly religion is used as a crutch, but if it helps a person to their own two feet, at least it is better than the previous situation. On an otherwise healthy person, including those that are born into a religious practice, religion is a useless burden, likely to hold them back in numerous ways. Many more people leave organised religion than join it, which explains why rates of religiosity have been steadily decreasing.

[Radical Plato]

Trust some mod with a stick up their arse to fuck up a perfectly good thread.

[Fortress]

So tell me about your experience when you came to the Lord in humble surrender.

I was raised as a Catholic. Went to church/Sunday school. Have a relative who is a (former) priest. (And in my late-20s, I actually considered joining the priesthood.) I spent many hours sitting/kneeling in churches, asking for communion with "god"; praying that "he'd" come into my heart. I was totally genuine in my praying and lived with a total belief in "his" existence.

Nothing.

Zero.

Within a few short years I came to be woken to the hoax of all religion. Its inherent lie and manipulation. In the reverse of one who is a born-again-Christian, I became an UNborn-Christian, in a way. And still, decades later, the residue of my brainwashing/indoctrination continues to be purged from my psyche.

The absurdity of a belief in a clearly man-made fairy tale is more and more clear.

MOS, you're mentally weak. To be your age and to have still not begun to emerge from the delusion of "faith" is testament to this.

You require a god in your life, and everything that needs to be to have you continue to run the script of a delusional man is readily available in easy, simple-too-follow manuals. Jesus, Allah ... whomever.

 
 

[SF1900]

I was raised as a Catholic. Went to church/Sunday school. Have a relative who is a (former) priest. (And in my late-20s, I actually considered joining the priesthood.) I spent many hours sitting/kneeling in churches, asking for communion with "god"; praying that "he'd" come into my heart. I was totally genuine in my praying and lived with a total belief in "his" existence.

Nothing.

Zero.

Within a few short years I came to be woken to the hoax of all religion. Its inherent lie and manipulation. In the reverse of one who is a born-again-Christian, I became an UNborn-Christian, in a way. And still, decades later, the residue of my brainwashing/indoctrination continues to be purged from my psyche.

The absurdity of a belief in a clearly man-made fairy tale is more and more clear.

MOS, you're mentally weak. To be your age and to have still not begun to emerge from the delusion of "faith" is testament to this.

You require a god in your life, and everything that needs to be to have you continue to run the script of a delusional man is readily available in easy, simple-too-follow manuals. Jesus, Allah ... whoever.

 
 

[Man of Steel]

I was raised as a Catholic. Went to church/Sunday school. Have a relative who is a (former) priest. (And in my late-20s, I actually considered joining the priesthood.) I spent many hours sitting/kneeling in churches, asking for communion with "god"; praying that "he'd" come into my heart. I was totally genuine in my praying and lived with a total belief in "his" existence.

Nothing.

Zero.

Within a few short years I came to be woken to the hoax of all religion. Its inherent lie and manipulation. In the reverse of one who is a born-again-Christian, I became an UNborn-Christian, in a way. And still, decades later, the residue of my brainwashing/indoctrination continues to be purged from my psyche.

The absurdity of a belief in a clearly man-made fairy tale is more and more clear.

MOS, you're mentally weak. To be your age and to have still not begun to emerge from the delusion of "faith" is testament to this.

You require a god in your life, and everything that needs to be to have you continue to run the script of a delusional man is readily available in easy, simple-too-follow manuals. Jesus, Allah ... whomever.

 
 

LOL, I know others might buy your ploy here, but you and I both know the truth.  

[Man of Steel]

There were some other Raymondo, Radical Plato and vinci guy posts insulting me...I glossed it.  Just standard atheist hate....not worth  noting beyond this.

Still pray the Lord blesses each of you and yours.

[Man of Steel]

Howard I still owe you some replies.  When I'm not as tired I'll be sure and do that.  

[Man of Steel]

Question, do you have kids? If not, do you want them?

Yes I have a daughter about to turn 6.  We'd love to have another child.   Then I'll finally be a real parent LOL!

[Raymondo]

There were no personal attacks from my side.

[Fortress]

LOL, I know others might buy your ploy here, but you and I both know the truth.  

Have no idea what you're suggesting. That my story is false? "You and I both know"? Know what?

I don't know you.

[Man of Steel]

There were no personal attacks from my side.

yes of course....only truths.  I forget atheists never attack or insult.

[Man of Steel]

Have no idea what you're suggesting. That my story is false? "You and I both know"? Know what?

I don't know you.

you know exactly what I'm saying....have a good night.

[Raymondo]

Criticising God and religion does not constitute a personal attack.

Here is a good definition of what does.

[Fortress]

you know exactly what I'm saying....have a good night.

Uh, OK. Goodnight.

[Man of Steel]

Criticising God and religion does not constitute a personal attack.

Here is a good definition of what does.

Believers are indwelt by the spirit of God.  Believers are in personal relationship with God who has revealed himself to believers via special revelation that nonbelievers don't understand.  Believers represent there God and submit fully to the will of God.  The believer's personal life is an extension of God.  It is absolutely personal.

[Fortress]

Believers are indwelt by the spirit of God.  Believers are in personal relationship with God who has revealed himself to believers via special revelation that nonbelievers don't understand.  Believers represent there God and submit fully to the will of God.  The believer's personal life is an extension of God.  It is absolutely personal.

Okay, you're just fucked in the head, fella.

If "you and I (me) know the truth", why don't you just expose the truth, whatever you feel it is (?), here, now?

You just spout what you do towards me because my original post destroys your believers-are-indwelt-by-the-spirit-of-God/God-who-has-revealed-himself-to-believers rantings.