This continuous rat-race: The Omnipotent skylord dogs are inferior meltdown

[Parker]

Apparently you fail to realize you were probably manipulated from an early age on.
If not... even worse.

Maybe you need some false sense of security in this crazy unpredictable world and therefore resort to beliefs that try to bring it all in some kind of "order".
Or you were recruited based on your own personal fears.
I don't know.

Anyway...
You still fail to see through this manipulation.

Have you seen this movie yet?

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[Radical Plato]

You make my point. There was nothing before the Big Bang. It came out of nothing. You're a moron.

And, no, it's not closer to the mark. YOU just think it is. And you have more than proven that your intellect is more than wanting. Explain to me again how our market economy is a zero sum game?

Seriously, how old are you and what level of formal education do you have? For somewhat who claims this is all a big joke, this particular question seems to have a level of gravity that supersedes some of the greatest issues in life.

Why is that?  

I didn't say there was nothing before the big bang, just no time.  At the time of the big bang all that is observable today was compacted into an immensely dense form (not nothing as you keep proposing), Although space may have been concentrated into a single point at the Big Bang, it is equally possible that space was infinite at the Big Bang. In both scenarios the space was completely filled with matter which began to expand.

My understanding of the big bang is certainly rudimentary, your concept of it is practically kindergarten level.  Your ignorance is truly exposed on such matters.

[OB1]

You understand exactly what I'm saying, I know you know what I'm saying, you're refusing to answer, playing a funny little game and giggling behind your keyboard.

I just plead with you to examine God's word some day.  Maybe come to him in prayer.  Look at all the evidence for scripture, Jesus Christ, the witness of believers and get out from behind rhetoric and silly games.

I take this serious.

Of course I understand what you are writing but I don't think it applies to me.
It is too far off from my own point of view.

Maybe you don't understand what I am writing otherwise you would have realized this.^

I have already read all the religion books and then some.
Bible, Quran, ... eastern philosophies ... ... ... scientology LOL too bad it got infiltrated at some point.

Maybe like 5000 in total.
Also I personally owned well over 1000 books which I have thrown away at some point after realizing their complete uselessness.
Some were very expensive, old and extremely hard to get but I don't regret.

Those were no novels if you get my point.
So no need to read it all again.

Right now I am in the process trying to forget all those concepts.
They lead nowhere.

Also I don't believe it is "God's word".
And I certainly won't pray to a concept.

Again this is no silly game.

[OB1]

Have you seen this movie yet?

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No.
Will it be worth the time?

[Man of Steel]

I take this serious.

Of course I understand what you are writing but I don't think it applies to me.
It is too far off from my own point of view.

Maybe you don't understand what I am writing otherwise you would have realized this.^

I have already read all the religion books and then some.
Bible, Quran, ... eastern philosophies ... ... ... scientology LOL too bad it got infiltrated at some point.

Maybe like 5000 in total.
Also I personally owned well over 1000 books which I have thrown away at some point after realizing their complete uselessness.
Some were very expensive, old and extremely hard to get but I don't regret.

Those were no novels if you get my point.
So no need to read it all again.

Right now I am in the process trying to forget all those concepts.
They lead nowhere.

Also I don't believe it is "God's word".
And I certainly won't pray to a concept.

Again this is no silly game.

That's all well and good.

You're refusing to answer a hypothetical question so I will simply rephrase it: 

If God was to prove his existence to you in any way you chose for him to would you then believe and become a Christian?

[Radical Plato]

That's all well and good.

You're refusing to answer a hypothetical question so I will simply rephrase it:  

If God was to prove his existence to you in any way you chose for him to would you then believe and become a Christian?

Well he would have to prove it to everybody for it to be considered evidence, but of course, only a fool would refute such evidence.  But the last thing I would do would become Christian.  Christianity is a sick cult.  A divine creator would look nothing like the God of the bible.  It would look nothing like any of religions concepts of it.

That question will remain a hypothetical, as we all know God isn't showing up any time soon. 

[Las Vegas]

There is no reality to a concept.
Give my life to a concept?
I'm not sure if it even is "my life".
And even then why give it away?

You lost me there...

Whose do you think it may be?

[Radical Plato]

Whose do you think it may be?

nobodies.

If the buddhists are correct, there is no permanent 'me' that exists.  There is no 'my'.  We are simply an ever changing collection of atoms and molecules interconnected with all other matter.

[Man of Steel]

Well he would have to prove it to everybody for it to be considered evidence, but of course, only a fool would refute such evidence.  But the last thing I would do would become Christian.  Christianity is a sick cult.  A divine creator would look nothing like the God of the bible.  It would look nothing like any of religions concepts of it.

So your answer is "no".

[Radical Plato]

So your answer is "no"?

Well if God appeared before all and said, I am God,you can stop killing each other over whether or not I exist, Yes I would believe in God, No I wouldn't become Christian, unless he specifically said he was the God of the Christian faith, then that would be different.  It would certainly piss off all the other religions and their followers.

[Raymondo]

Well he would have to prove it to everybody for it to be considered evidence, but of course, only a fool would refute such evidence.  But the last thing I would do would become Christian.  Christianity is a sick cult.  A divine creator would look nothing like the God of the bible.  It would look nothing like any of religions concepts of it.

That question will remain a hypothetical, as we all know God isn't showing up any time soon. 

It's a question a child would ask.

[OB1]

That's all well and good.

You're refusing to answer a hypothetical question so I will simply rephrase it: 

If God was to prove his existence to you in any way you chose for him to would you then believe and become a Christian?

It just doesn't compute.
For the reasons I explained above^^.

Plus I will never join any religious group.

[OB1]

Whose do you think it may be?

I didn't "create" this life nor did I want or request it.
How can I call it my own?

[Las Vegas]

I didn't "create" this life nor did I want or request it.
How can I call it my own?

Because you have control over it.

[OB1]

Because you have control over it.

The initial control is very lacking.
(Time and place of birth, etc...)

And after being self conscious at maybe the age of 3 control still lacks also.

And later on there isn't much control either.
Maybe even none at all.

[Las Vegas]

The initial control is very lacking.
(Time and place of birth, etc...)

And after being self conscious at maybe the age of 3 control still lacks also.

And later on there isn't much control either.
Maybe even none at all.

What's controlling you, if not yourself?

[Sokolsky]

Well he would have to prove it to everybody for it to be considered evidence, but of course, only a fool would refute such evidence.  But the last thing I would do would become Christian.  Christianity is a sick cult.  A divine creator would look nothing like the God of the bible.  It would look nothing like any of religions concepts of it.

That question will remain a hypothetical, as we all know God isn't showing up any time soon. 

I once had a class during highschool regarding something similar to this.

The teacher posed the following question/task: Imagine an alien, and write or draw what you'd think it would look like.
Ofcourse everyone started jotting down some lines here and there, drawing faces, mouths, eyes. Or simply writing down characteristics of what they thought aliens would have. (I believe I drew a circle or something of the sort).

Now the point of this exercise was to think outside of the box, and ofcourse we all failed horribly. Because while we all imagined aliens; these were nothing more than accumulations of expectations we'd have of such a creature. And they all turned out to have human features one or the other.

The thing is, it is so easy to imagine things. To adhere your expectations, your fears, your wants to figmants of the imagination. Is it any wonder 'the Son of God' appeared before us as a man? Considering the patriarchic structure at the time? Is it any wonder that followers of a believe, a figmant of the imagination, think that they are right? That they will be saved? That something out there cares about their existence at all? A divine purpose even? But in one way or another always benefits them over another?


The truth is that the exercise I had in highschool never had any right answer, we cannot imagine alien life nor can exclude the possibility of it being out there. Hell, we might be the excrement of aliens, but we just haven't got the knowledge or the capacity of self-realisation. To discuss the existence or absence of an-and-any God as such is utterly pointless.


Man of Steel, I am happy for you if you feel your belief adds something to your life.
I am content with my life in the absence of such rather deterministic beliefs.
I do, however, take offense to your mentality that somehow you will be 'saved', and others will not.
Not because it impacts me in any way, but simply because it's a very child-like assumption from which point all chance of reasoning seizes.

[OB1]

What's controlling you, if not yourself?

The environment plays a major role.
Relationships.
Obligations.
Time.
Job.
Money.
Health.
Weather.
...

You got to react to a lot of those things so there isn't much control left in this kind of framework.

[Sokolsky]

Fully agreed.
Nature vs nurture.

The only true free-will we have is to end our own existence at a time of our pleasing.
Hell, we even came into the world uninvited.

[Parker]

No.
Will it be worth the time?

Yes. He talks about killing people. In that room. And in the end he finds "God". It's funny how he describes his first encounter with church folks. He is currently in hiding from his former employer.

[Las Vegas]

The environment plays a major role.
Relationships.
Obligations.
Time.
Job.
Money.
Health.
Weather.
...

You got to react to a lot of those things so there isn't much control left in this kind of framework.

Aren't you in control of your reactions?

[OB1]

Yes. He talks about killing people. In that room. And in the end he finds "God". It's funny how he describes his first encounter with church folks. He is currently in hiding from his former employer.

Ok.
Thanks.
Will look into it.

[Sokolsky]

Aren't you in control of your reactions?

Actually, considering our thoughts are based on compounded experiences arguably there is an entire absence of true free will.
Though this would imply people could not be held responsible for their own actions, taking into account the collective.
Considering own input and rational choice dictating much of our behaviour, this wouldn't exactly hold up.

[OB1]

Aren't you in control of your reactions?

Not really.

[Las Vegas]

Actually, considering our thoughts are based on compounded experiences arguably there is an entire absence of true free will.
Though this would imply people could not be held responsible for their own actions, taking into account the collective.
Considering own input and rational choice dictating much of our behaviour, this wouldn't exactly hold up.

Not sure I follow.