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Re: This continuous rat-race: The Omnipotent skylord dogs are inferior meltdown
« Reply #450 on: February 15, 2016, 03:58:43 PM »
Not really.





Meaning that something outside yourself has that control?

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Re: This continuous rat-race: The Omnipotent skylord dogs are inferior meltdown
« Reply #451 on: February 15, 2016, 04:00:35 PM »
Meaning that something outside yourself has that control?

No.
Your conditioning.
Accumulated experiences.
Resulting thoughts.
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No control over those.^

All play into your decision.
So no real control.

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Re: This continuous rat-race: The Omnipotent skylord dogs are inferior meltdown
« Reply #452 on: February 15, 2016, 04:17:11 PM »
Not sure I follow.

When we look at a person, the very geographical location and manner of birth defines who that person will be for the rest of their life.

For example:
Consider a child being born into a white Catholic family. From that point onwards, (s)he'll be given a name that will define it for the rest of their lives.
The child will be raised with certain values, political views, religious views, cultural views and so on. Based on their family, their surroundings, exposure to alternate views. And social interaction or otherwise. => Compounding of experiences.

While basic survival is practically inate in all organisms, the above described is entirely dependent on external stimuli. But has a very significant and profound impact on how you will live your life in relation to others. Basically, you will view the world along certain lines, you will act along certain norms and values and so on. But these are not things you came up with yourself.

Really, when we look at one single person, we're actually looking at a fragment of an organism. Humankind as a whole acts along the same lines, which is what is required to succeed in prolonging your 'life'. However, noone really acts outside of the 'norm', ofcourse there are outliers such as nutcases or cultures diverging significantly from the norm. But these are bound to be eradicated one way or another.


We are conditioned from start to finish to act and think in certain ways. To 'fit in' sort of say.
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Re: This continuous rat-race: The Omnipotent skylord dogs are inferior meltdown
« Reply #453 on: February 15, 2016, 04:20:27 PM »
No.
Your conditioning.
Accumulated experiences.

Resulting thoughts.
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No control over those.^

All play into your decision.
So no real control.



Wouldn't you say that conditioning comes from the accumulated experiences?

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Re: This continuous rat-race: The Omnipotent skylord dogs are inferior meltdown
« Reply #454 on: February 15, 2016, 04:22:24 PM »
Wouldn't you say that conditioning comes from the accumulated experiences?

Yes, but not limited to it.
Resulting thoughts and decisions also play into conditioning.
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Re: This continuous rat-race: The Omnipotent skylord dogs are inferior meltdown
« Reply #455 on: February 15, 2016, 04:23:46 PM »
Wouldn't you say that conditioning comes from the accumulated experiences?

I would argue that conditioning is more pro-active, as in you're being taught certain things.
Whereas accumulated experiences would include any interactions (passive/active), also one time occurences or observations.
But they don't necessarily have to be distinct interactions from eachother, this depends on your point of view/assumptions.
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Re: This continuous rat-race: The Omnipotent skylord dogs are inferior meltdown
« Reply #456 on: February 15, 2016, 04:25:40 PM »
When we look at a person, the very geographical location and manner of birth defines who that person will be for the rest of their life.

For example:
Consider a child being born into a white Catholic family. From that point onwards, (s)he'll be given a name that will define it for the rest of their lives.
The child will be raised with certain values, political views, religious views, cultural views and so on. Based on their family, their surroundings, exposure to alternate views. And social interaction or otherwise. => Compounding of experiences.

While basic survival is practically inate in all organisms, the above described is entirely dependent on external stimuli. But has a very significant and profound impact on how you will live your life in relation to others. Basically, you will view the world along certain lines, you will act along certain norms and values and so on. But these are not things you came up with yourself.

Really, when we look at one single person, we're actually looking at a fragment of an organism. Humankind as a whole acts along the same lines, which is what is required to succeed in prolonging your 'life'. However, noone really acts outside of the 'norm', ofcourse there are outliers such as nutcases or cultures diverging significantly from the norm. But these are bound to be eradicated one way or another.


We are conditioned from start to finish to act and think in certain ways. To 'fit in' sort of say.

Is this what you feel has happened to you?

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Re: This continuous rat-race: The Omnipotent skylord dogs are inferior meltdown
« Reply #457 on: February 15, 2016, 04:26:43 PM »
Yes, but not limited to it.
Resulting thoughts and decisions also play into conditioning.


But doesn't that show you have control?

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Re: This continuous rat-race: The Omnipotent skylord dogs are inferior meltdown
« Reply #458 on: February 15, 2016, 04:27:54 PM »
Is this what you feel has happened to you?

This is something I am aware of in the broader sense, but doesn't necessarily pre-occupy my thoughts.
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Re: This continuous rat-race: The Omnipotent skylord dogs are inferior meltdown
« Reply #459 on: February 15, 2016, 04:28:32 PM »
But doesn't that show you have control?

No.
These thoughts and decisions happen after experiences of which you have no complete control over.
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« Reply #460 on: February 15, 2016, 04:32:45 PM »
No.
These thoughts and decisions happen after experiences of which you have no complete control over.


Just all the control that any person could reasonably expect to have.  I understand.

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Re: This continuous rat-race: The Omnipotent skylord dogs are inferior meltdown
« Reply #461 on: February 15, 2016, 04:38:46 PM »
Just all the control that any person could reasonably expect to have.  I understand.

Yes.
Thanks for this insightful conversation.
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« Reply #462 on: February 15, 2016, 06:41:59 PM »
I didn't say there was nothing before the big bang, just no time.  At the time of the big bang all that is observable today was compacted into an immensely dense form (not nothing as you keep proposing), Although space may have been concentrated into a single point at the Big Bang, it is equally possible that space was infinite at the Big Bang. In both scenarios the space was completely filled with matter which began to expand.

My understanding of the big bang is certainly rudimentary, your concept of it is practically kindergarten level.  Your ignorance is truly exposed on such matters.

Your understanding is not rudimentary, just wrong. And I guarantee you I've taken more courses in Physics then you ever had.

Why are you so ashamed to answer the question as to how old you are and what level of formal education you have?

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« Reply #463 on: February 15, 2016, 06:46:53 PM »
Well if God appeared before all and said, I am God,you can stop killing each other over whether or not I exist, Yes I would believe in God, No I wouldn't become Christian, unless he specifically said he was the God of the Christian faith, then that would be different.  It would certainly piss off all the other religions and their followers.

So you would be a member of a sick cult as long as there was a supernatural leader?

Did you ever even graduate high school? Is that why you are so ashamed to answer the simple question?

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« Reply #464 on: February 15, 2016, 07:00:06 PM »
I once had a class during highschool regarding something similar to this.

The teacher posed the following question/task: Imagine an alien, and write or draw what you'd think it would look like.
Ofcourse everyone started jotting down some lines here and there, drawing faces, mouths, eyes. Or simply writing down characteristics of what they thought aliens would have. (I believe I drew a circle or something of the sort).

Now the point of this exercise was to think outside of the box, and ofcourse we all failed horribly. Because while we all imagined aliens; these were nothing more than accumulations of expectations we'd have of such a creature. And they all turned out to have human features one or the other.

The thing is, it is so easy to imagine things. To adhere your expectations, your fears, your wants to figmants of the imagination. Is it any wonder 'the Son of God' appeared before us as a man? Considering the patriarchic structure at the time? Is it any wonder that followers of a believe, a figmant of the imagination, think that they are right? That they will be saved? That something out there cares about their existence at all? A divine purpose even? But in one way or another always benefits them over another?


The truth is that the exercise I had in highschool never had any right answer, we cannot imagine alien life nor can exclude the possibility of it being out there. Hell, we might be the excrement of aliens, but we just haven't got the knowledge or the capacity of self-realisation. To discuss the existence or absence of an-and-any God as such is utterly pointless.


Man of Steel, I am happy for you if you feel your belief adds something to your life.
I am content with my life in the absence of such rather deterministic beliefs.
I do, however, take offense to your mentality that somehow you will be 'saved', and others will not.
Not because it impacts me in any way, but simply because it's a very child-like assumption from which point all chance of reasoning seizes.


Why does it bother you when you don't adhere to his belief systems?
Does it bother you that Muslims thinks you are an infidel and will suffer through eternity? Would it bother you if Wiggs said you are going to be kidnapped by aliens and be turned into a midget Hebrew?
What it bother you if I said I was a fortune teller and foresaw that by the end of this year you are going to be raped by Tbombz and spend the next year rotting away from AIDs? What if I told you that I am actually the second coming of Christ and I'm going to send you to hell? Would that keep you up at night? "Pellius just condemned me to hell."

How does something you don't even believe in offend you?

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Re: This continuous rat-race: The Omnipotent skylord dogs are inferior meltdown
« Reply #465 on: February 15, 2016, 10:50:06 PM »
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If you're not going to read the whole post, don't comment on it.
Hint: Read the last sentence.
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« Reply #466 on: February 16, 2016, 12:08:01 AM »
If you're not going to read the whole post, don't comment on it.
Hint: Read the last sentence.

Actually, I did read the whole post and ESPECIALLY the last sentence. That's why I responded. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt which was obviously wrong. To be offended, or even care, about something that has no impact on you is what is childish.

The reason anyone believes anything, being it liberal or conservative, Democrat or Republican, Christian, Muslim, Jew or atheist; is because they believe their position is best, better  or right. If they didn't, then they wouldn't hold that position.

Libs think Conservatives are ruining this country and vice versa. Theist believes that it matters in life how you act. That there is a cosmic justice and a right and a wrong and real consequences to either. You can agree or disagree but it has nothing to do with being childish.

Having your feelings hurt by something that doesn't matter to you is childish.

And watch your tone when addressing me.


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Re: This continuous rat-race: The Omnipotent skylord dogs are inferior meltdown
« Reply #467 on: February 16, 2016, 12:22:42 AM »
Jesus H Christ. Pellius must now hold the record for consecutive days meltdown in Getbig history
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« Reply #468 on: February 16, 2016, 12:23:18 AM »
Jesus H Christ. Pellius must now hold the record for consecutive days meltdown in Getbig history

I think so, too.
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Re: This continuous rat-race: The Omnipotent skylord dogs are inferior meltdown
« Reply #469 on: February 16, 2016, 12:36:05 AM »
Jesus H Christ. Pellius must now hold the record for consecutive days meltdown in Getbig history

And you hold the record for the most moronic poster on this board.

Still ashamed to say how old you are and what level of formal education you have?

Why do you avoid this simple and innocuous question? 

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« Reply #470 on: February 16, 2016, 12:37:43 AM »
I think so, too.


Says the gimmick who got owned by TA.

"If I were you I wouldn't post a pic either." LOL!

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« Reply #471 on: February 16, 2016, 12:42:36 AM »
As well as such gems that the universe began instantly and out of nothing with the Big Bang.

Fairy story vs an evolving, scientific, metaphysical investigation. Choose your poison!

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« Reply #472 on: February 16, 2016, 12:48:10 AM »
Says the gimmick who got owned by TA.


Bullshit.



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Re: This continuous rat-race: The Omnipotent skylord dogs are inferior meltdown
« Reply #473 on: February 16, 2016, 01:11:59 AM »
And watch your tone when addressing me.

you shouldn't post on Getbig if you are so sensitive.

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« Reply #474 on: February 16, 2016, 01:56:40 AM »
Fairy story vs an evolving, scientific, metaphysical investigation. Choose your poison!

I've already seen what secularism has done to the evolution of present day Europe.

I'll stick to my side.