Your Not Lifting Unless Your Lifting for GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Johnny Apollo]

The funniest thing about all these well-constructed arguments...

We're ants arguing about astrophysics.  Whatever made us is beyond our comprehension.  None of us know anything.  I suspect some higher power created the hydrogen atom that caused the Big Boom to start, but that's just me.  

It's fun to argue, but we don't get to meet the referee til the game is over

That's completly wrong. Science is the tool used to study the universe we live in. We CAN determine the causes of our existence by study and experiment. With logical reasoning you can determine facts by observation and study and experiment. By studying the evidence left behind you can make factual conclusions.


Secondly..A "Hydrogen atom" didn't cause the big bang...The first atoms(Hydrogen atoms) did not exist until after the big bang occured.

[Bast175]

"I will never leave you nor forsake you." Joshua 1:5

And where is the proof of this?  People suffer and die constantly in the world.

[Johnny Apollo]

Watch FRED not respond to my last posts...

[G o a t b o y]

Watch FRED not respond to my last posts...

If he does, it will be with more biblical crap that does not address or answer any of the points you made.

[Johnny Apollo]

If he does, it will be with more biblical crap that does not address or answer any of the points you made.

Right.


I don't understand how these monkeys don't believe in Evolution despite all of the proof of it. Despite the fact it's taught at every major university in the world. Despite the fact 95% of scientists believe it...99.9% of Biologists.

[The Freakshow]

I'm a reasonable person unlike you. Any refutations you provide I'll consider..But you can't provide any.

So give examples and address each of my points.


The accepted bible Chronology is just over 6,000 years. This is what the bible imply's.

How old is the Earth?


Same thing. Saying his ways are "above ours" as to we can't comprehend them it's like saying they are mysterious to us. Same difference.




You're working from the assumption "God" exists. You haven't proven he does.

I'm more of a judge of morals than something that doesn't exist is.

You haven't addressed any of my points either concerning how many evils there are in the world that man can't possibly be responsible for..That Nature is responsible for..Meaning God made them.


HAHAHA!!!

You really need to do your research.....

Let's just use a single example of one transition into another..Dinosaurs to Birds. Here are a few examples of known extinct species(fossils) that are transitions between dinosaurs and birds.

Sinosauropteryx prima

Ornithomimosaurs

therizinosaurs

oviraptorosaurs

Deinonychosaurs

Protarchaeopteryx

Archaeopteryx

Shenzhouraptor

Sapeornis

Enantiornithines

Patagopteryx

Apsaravis

yanornithids

Hesperornis

Ichthyornis

Gansus

Limenavis


Example of the Archaeopteryx.



Neither dinosaur or modern bird...But a "Transition" between the two that lived after dinosaurs died out and before modern birds evolved.

Info on it..

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/archaeopteryx/info.html

http://www.origins.tv/darwin/dinobirds.htm


Some transitions of HUMAN ancestors from the smithsonian institute.

http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/a_tree.html



The whales stomach acid would of killed jonah. There is NO PHYSICAL WAY he could of survived a month in the whales stomach! Haha!

There's no historical evidence Jesus was "Raised from the dead" either. The bible was written GENERATIONS after jesus supposedly died by UNKNOWN authors. It isn't evidence anymore than the Illiad is evidence of Zeus.


No evidence of a Global flood. If there is PROVIDE IT. I'll then refute it.

Secondly Dinosaurs became extinct due to change in the environment most likely due to a meteor strike hitting the earth. If the dinosaurs died in some massive flood there would be a SINGLE LAYER of sediment where the fossils lay. If they all died at the same time from a massive flood there would be a single geological layer with all of the dinosaurs(And humans who died from the flood) in it. This is NOT what we see..We see THOUSANDS of layers over millions of years and humans and dinosaurs are never found in the same undisturbed layers since they lived MILLIONS of years apart.

Yes, there is proof that Jesus was raised from the dead, "We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty." 2Peter 1:16 Don't forget the 500+ EYEWITNESSES in 1Corinthians 15:16.

Hmmmm..... a meteor large enough to destroy every living creature on the earth and NOT destory the EARTH, interesting!




More ranting unrelated bible quotes. I say the "Bible God" is evil due to the evils he commited in the Bible. If there is a "God" he is either 1.Weak or 2.Evil. Weak if he can't fix the problems of the world or Evil because he won't. It's either one or the other logically. The evils in the world can't go hand in hand with a moral God...It's inconsistent.



Yet in the bible God made Hell for that purpose. God made humans KNOWING before hand that many would end up in Hell. A moral god doesn't create something just to punish it later on. If he KNEW they would sin and burn in hell why did he then create them? Knowing they would suffer? A moral god would do no such thing.



God's love?



Katrina Aftermath.

First, the Bible says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1 (It doesn't say 6000 years ago God created the heavens and the earth).

Based on your EXTREME confidence in your own intelligence, stating that you can refute anyone on the earth, regardless of the facts presented, it's obvious spending my time providing the information will be an exhausting exercise of futility. Not even DARWIN in his work on the evolution of speceis, could NOT explain the evolution of the human eye.

It's interesting that the MORALS we abide by in this country were established by our Forefathers from "The Ten Commandments" of GOD.

You did NOT provide any transitional form from one SPECIES to ANOTHER. Have you ever heard of a "Pterodactyl"?or  "pterosaur",  any of an order (Pterosauria) of extinct flying reptiles existing from the Late Triassic throughout the Jurassic and most of the Cretaceous and having a featherless wing membrane extending from the side of the body along the arm to the end of the greatly elongated fourth digit.

Sorry, this guy COEXSISTED with the dinosaur.

God's love http://www.dreamcenter.org/outmin_youth_ministry.shtml

When you're going along in your life and come accross a problem or a hurt and have no one else to turn to, God will still be there for you, waiting. "For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart." Jeremiah 29:11-13

[Johnny Apollo]

Proof God's creation is perfect.....

[The Freakshow]

It says "Bodly exercise profits little". "Profits little" means it does not profit much. Meaning NOT IMPORTANT.

So if you're in business and "profit" a "little" it's not a profit??

[The Freakshow]

Good night guy's.

[Tap Out]

Proof God's creation is perfect.....

hahahahahaha brian peppers.

maybe thats what you look like after you've been living in a whales stomach for a few days.

[Johnny Apollo]

First, the Bible says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1 (It doesn't say 6000 years ago God created the heavens and the earth).

Fine..Ignoring the chronological ages of people in the bible thus date from creation...How old is the Earth?

Based on your EXTREME confidence in your own intelligence, stating that you can refute anyone on the earth, regardless of the facts presented, it's obvious spending my time providing the information will be an exhausting exercise of futility. Not even DARWIN in his work on the evolution of speceis, could NOT explain the evolution of the human eye.

I never said I "Could refute anyone on earth regardless of the facts." I said I could refute CHRISTIANS where the facts are false(Which they are). Don't make strawmen.

Also Darwin explained the evolution of the human eye over 100 years ago in his "The origin of species". He explains the numerous examples of stages of development to the human eye and how the human eye is far from the most complex on earth. Eagle eyes are much more complex and stronger.

http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-charles/the-origin-of-species/chapter-06.html

It's interesting that the MORALS we abide by in this country were established by our Forefathers from "The Ten Commandments" of GOD.

Holy shit you're a retard....

Our forefathers did NOT make our laws based on the 10 commandments. In reality that's why they made the 1st ammendment to the constitution(Prohibiting laws supporting any one religion to be made.)

Most of our forefathers weren't even christians...

"The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma."
[Abraham Lincoln]

"The Christian God is a being of terrific character -- cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust."
[Thomas Jefferson, _Jefferson Bible_]

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
[Thomas Jefferson]

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."
[Thomas Jefferson, in _Toward the Mystery_]


"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."-Treaty of Tripoli signed and endorsed by most of oure forefathers including John Adams.

You did NOT provide any transitional form from one SPECIES to ANOTHER. Have you ever heard of a "Pterodactyl"?or  "pterosaur",  any of an order (Pterosauria) of extinct flying reptiles existing from the Late Triassic throughout the Jurassic and most of the Cretaceous and having a featherless wing membrane extending from the side of the body along the arm to the end of the greatly elongated fourth digit.

Actually ALL of the species I provided are transitionals because they fit the definition of a translition fossil. A transitional fossil is a fossil that came from a time between two other known fossils and shows characteristics of both. ALL of the species I listed fit this definition.

The Pterosaur didn't have feathers...Many of the fossils I provided DID. The picture of the fossil I showed was a FEATHERED dinosaur/Bird living after dinosaurs died out and before modern birds evolved.

Sorry, this guy COEXSISTED with the dinosaur.

God's love http://www.dreamcenter.org/outmin_youth_ministry.shtml

What guy? That's just a link to a church youth ministry! Haha!




You Moron....

[Johnny Apollo]

So if you're in business and "profit" a "little" it's not a profit??

When someone says "He does little to help." He means he does close to nothing to help.

When someone says "Exercise profits little!" They are saying it's not important.


Not that this addresses the fact that many Pro's are devout christians yet base their CAREERS off of physical exercise(Which the bible says profits "little".)



You still haven't addressed any of my points i've been making.

[Johnny Apollo]

Exactly.  That's why straight out strong atheism is ignoant as well.

There are two forms of atheism. "Weak atheism" and "Strong atheism". Weak atheists like myself don't claim "There is no God." We only lack a belief in a God. We neither say there is or isn't a God. Strong atheists say there is absolutely no God.
The only God that might be able to exist is the Deist God. All of the others are 100% false.

I also enjoy seeing an atheist (at least the American type who is normally a socialist) bitch about capitalism yet enjoy the benefits of the productivity of others all the time.  Also when they bitch about poverty when thanks to capitalism "poverty" is now defined as having three TVs instead of one.   

I don't bitch about Capitalism. American atheists don't = Socialists. American Atheists hold a wide range of economic and political beleifs. I never said I supported absolute socialism. Capitalism is very effective.

Johnny Apollo: while you say you can refute any point from a religious perspective, I can assure you that I can refute any point about how poor of an economic system socialism is.  Test me if you want.   

I'm not a Socialist so go ahead...

[Mr. Intenseone]

I'm a reasonable person unlike you. Any refutations you provide I'll consider..But you can't provide any.

So give examples and address each of my points.


The accepted bible Chronology is just over 6,000 years. This is what the bible imply's.

How old is the Earth?


Same thing. Saying his ways are "above ours" as to we can't comprehend them it's like saying they are mysterious to us. Same difference.




You're working from the assumption "God" exists. You haven't proven he does.

I'm more of a judge of morals than something that doesn't exist is.

You haven't addressed any of my points either concerning how many evils there are in the world that man can't possibly be responsible for..That Nature is responsible for..Meaning God made them.


HAHAHA!!!

You really need to do your research.....

Let's just use a single example of one transition into another..Dinosaurs to Birds. Here are a few examples of known extinct species(fossils) that are transitions between dinosaurs and birds.

Sinosauropteryx prima

Ornithomimosaurs

therizinosaurs

oviraptorosaurs

Deinonychosaurs

Protarchaeopteryx

Archaeopteryx

Shenzhouraptor

Sapeornis

Enantiornithines

Patagopteryx

Apsaravis

yanornithids

Hesperornis

Ichthyornis

Gansus

Limenavis


Example of the Archaeopteryx.



Neither dinosaur or modern bird...But a "Transition" between the two that lived after dinosaurs died out and before modern birds evolved.

Info on it..

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/archaeopteryx/info.html

http://www.origins.tv/darwin/dinobirds.htm


Some transitions of HUMAN ancestors from the smithsonian institute.

http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/a_tree.html



The whales stomach acid would of killed jonah. There is NO PHYSICAL WAY he could of survived a month in the whales stomach! Haha!

There's no historical evidence Jesus was "Raised from the dead" either. The bible was written GENERATIONS after jesus supposedly died by UNKNOWN authors. It isn't evidence anymore than the Illiad is evidence of Zeus.


No evidence of a Global flood. If there is PROVIDE IT. I'll then refute it.

Secondly Dinosaurs became extinct due to change in the environment most likely due to a meteor strike hitting the earth. If the dinosaurs died in some massive flood there would be a SINGLE LAYER of sediment where the fossils lay. If they all died at the same time from a massive flood there would be a single geological layer with all of the dinosaurs(And humans who died from the flood) in it. This is NOT what we see..We see THOUSANDS of layers over millions of years and humans and dinosaurs are never found in the same undisturbed layers since they lived MILLIONS of years apart.


More ranting unrelated bible quotes. I say the "Bible God" is evil due to the evils he commited in the Bible. If there is a "God" he is either 1.Weak or 2.Evil. Weak if he can't fix the problems of the world or Evil because he won't. It's either one or the other logically. The evils in the world can't go hand in hand with a moral God...It's inconsistent.



Yet in the bible God made Hell for that purpose. God made humans KNOWING before hand that many would end up in Hell. A moral god doesn't create something just to punish it later on. If he KNEW they would sin and burn in hell why did he then create them? Knowing they would suffer? A moral god would do no such thing.



God's love?



Katrina Aftermath.

Dude, you really should stop with the "cut and paste". Once in a while is fine, but this is rediculous. Do you have an original argument on this subject??

[G o a t b o y]

In any case, atheism has no doctrine and is therefore not dangerous.  The same can't be said for religion.

I also enjoy seeing an atheist (at least the American type who is normally a socialist) bitch about capitalism yet enjoy the benefits of the productivity of others all the time.  Also when they bitch about poverty when thanks to capitalism "poverty" is now defined as having three TVs instead of one.   

Johnny Apollo: while you say you can refute any point from a religious perspective, I can assure you that I can refute any point about how poor of an economic system socialism is.  Test me if you want.   

Where are you getting the idea that Atheists are Socialists?

You said it yourself... Athiests have no doctrine.  Meaning, they have all manner of opinions on things unrelated to the existance or nonexistance of a diety.

I don't believe in a "god", yet I'm about the furthest thing from a socialist you could imagine. I believe in a free-market economy with as little government interference as possible, taxes as low as possible, and government as small as possible. I generally vote Republican because I support their economic policies, and I am no fan of the Dem's liberal bullshit. That said, I hold my nose when I vote, because I can't stand the religious nutcases we've allied ourself with in order to win elections.

[The Freakshow]

Fine..Ignoring the chronological ages of people in the bible thus date from creation...How old is the Earth?


I never said I "Could refute anyone on earth regardless of the facts." I said I could refute CHRISTIANS where the facts are false(Which they are). Don't make strawmen.

Also Darwin explained the evolution of the human eye over 100 years ago in his "The origin of species". He explains the numerous examples of stages of development to the human eye and how the human eye is far from the most complex on earth. Eagle eyes are much more complex and stronger.

http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-charles/the-origin-of-species/chapter-06.html


Holy shit you're a retard....

Our forefathers did NOT make our laws based on the 10 commandments. In reality that's why they made the 1st ammendment to the constitution(Prohibiting laws supporting any one religion to be made.)

Most of our forefathers weren't even christians...

"The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma."
[Abraham Lincoln]

"The Christian God is a being of terrific character -- cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust."
[Thomas Jefferson, _Jefferson Bible_]

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
[Thomas Jefferson]

"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."
[Thomas Jefferson, in _Toward the Mystery_]


"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."-Treaty of Tripoli signed and endorsed by most of oure forefathers including John Adams.



Actually ALL of the species I provided are transitionals because they fit the definition of a translition fossil. A transitional fossil is a fossil that came from a time between two other known fossils and shows characteristics of both. ALL of the species I listed fit this definition.

The Pterosaur didn't have feathers...Many of the fossils I provided DID. The picture of the fossil I showed was a FEATHERED dinosaur/Bird living after dinosaurs died out and before modern birds evolved.


What guy? That's just a link to a church youth ministry! Haha!




You Moron....

It is IRRELEVANT how OLD the earth is. In the BEGINNING GOD CREATED it! What is important is how it was created. Would you care to impress us with “How the earth was formed.”? You do realize that this is something that the GREATEST minds in the world struggle with. Yet you seem to think that you can refute ANY Christian on the subject. This cannot even be done by the greatest minds in the world.

You realize that calling someone who doesn’t agree with you, and who does provide FACTS to back his argument, a “Retard” is not something a great mind confident in his arguments would do.

Yet with all of Darwin’s attempts to “explain” the human eye, he was still unable to explain how “VISION” evolved. Like the development of the nerves which transmit the data the eyes see. How the lens, retina, etc. all communicate to the brain. Wasn’t the purpose of the eye to “SEE”. Yet Darwin can’t accurately explain how that fits into his “THEORY”. That’s an interesting word. What does “THEORY” mean?

You might want to verify your sources before making these statements about our Forefathers. I believe Abraham Lincoln was a Christian. By the way, wasn’t the FIRST SCHOOL BOOK a “BIBLE”??

Are you saying that our country’s morals do not DIRECTLY correlate to the Ten Commandments?? You might want to read them.

So you’re saying that when a species that already existed grows “Feathers” that constitutes a transitional form into another species. Are you saying that if a bald man grows hair he is a new species? I better stay away from the Rogaine.
How about providing us with a fossil record of a dinosaur with one wing, half a beak, and duck feet, that didn’t make it. Isn’t Darwin’s theory “Survival of the FITTEST”? A transitional form doesn’t sound very FIT!


The church link was for “God’s LOVE!” The “Guy” I was referring to was the Pterodactyl. Once again misinterpreting what you read.

Oh, you called me a “Moron”. Once again, GENIUS at work explaining his arguments. Stick to the chat rooms with the kids. Who don't take the time to research your arguments and assume what you say is fact. When in reality they are SERIOUSLY flawed. I encourage you to take some time to read the Bible before you try to argue that its not true.

Now go out and play.

I don't have time for childish nonsense (calling names).

Peace out.

[gtbro1]

HA! Assuming you're not being sarcastic...Which I'm hope you are.

PROVE IT! Prove what you said. Prove Jesus is "Lord". Prove God is real. Prove he's ever present..Prove it all and watch me tear it apart like a wet paper bag!

I am not a religeous person at all...but  I am fairly certain that it has been proven that Jesus was an actual person,far as him being the son of God and all that,well that is a matter of faith and personal opinion.

[triple_pickle]

The bible covers everything.  Everything happening today is prophesized.

the bible says ronnie will go for 25 sandows.

[240 is Back]

Strong atheists say there is absolutely no God.

Strong athiests often seem to be trying to convince others to join their belief so just in case they're wrong, they won't be alone in hell.

I truly believe in my heart there is no such thing as a 3-tittied woman.  So I don't really think about it.  I don't preach to anyone who believes in such a woman.  It just never enters my mindset.  Same as how it is with weak athiests, who don't know or care if there is a supreme being.

However, if I doubted myself a bit, I might always talk about how there was no such thing.  I'd argue with others about it.  It would matter.  But since I TRULY believe it, it's a non-issue for me.

IMO, strong athiests- those who are vocally anti-God - do believe a little, deep down.

[Aerian]

What i find so funny is that most christians will put SOOO much "faith" in a book that was written 2000 years ago by some MEN.  They have no real proof that god ment that book to be "HIS" words any more then say the koran or any other religious text.

Why would god condem ANY man to a "hell" when there are plenty of hells on this earth now.  

I believe in some form of a creator but the christian god he is not.  To think that the CREATOR of all, would hate any aspect of anything he has created, is just rediculious.  Why would he hate a "evil" person's action if he created the very actions that they are doing.  

In the next few decades christianity will have to go through some sort of reformation cause atm the views are so far past a logical person's thinking.

[LuciusFox]

 Hahahahaha....the internet and religion threads 

[Oldschool Flip]

Man religion and anything else don't mix. The "Bible" has too many restrictions that condemn anything except prayer and worship to "God" a sin. Lift weights to look good....Vanity....sin... .

[bigdumbbell]

and who the fuck knows god is a man

[G o a t b o y]

I truly believe in my heart there is no such thing as a 3-tittied woman.  So I don't really think about it.  I don't preach to anyone who believes in such a woman.  It just never enters my mindset.  Same as how it is with weak athiests, who don't know or care if there is a supreme being.

Would you feel the same way if 90% of the population believed in 3-titted women, constantly talked about 3-titted women even in venues and circumstances that have nothing to do with 3-titted women, made the existance of three-titted women a major focus or their lives to the point of spending countless time and money in the worship of 3-titted women, drafted much of our nation's laws (laws you are expected to follow too) based on what the 3-titted woman would want, and constantly got on your case because you don't believe in 3-titted women?

 

[gtbro1]

Would you feel the same way if 90% of the population believed in 3-titted women, constantly talked about 3-titted women even in venues and circumstances that have nothing to do with 3-titted women, made the existance of three-titted womes a major focus or their lives to the point of spending countless time and money in the worship of 3-titted women, drafted much of our nation's laws (laws you are expected to follow to) based on what the 3-titted woman would want, and constantly got on your case because you don't believe in 3-titted women?

 

Very good Point.