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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #125 on: March 09, 2016, 01:41:49 PM »
He'll be at 700 out of 1237... with 20 states to go.  And many of them are liberal Cali, NY, etc.   He's doing well and it's in the south where cruz and rubio should be doing well.  

Once trump gets on his "home turf", these votes are going to come much easier.
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Pennsylvania, Jersey, New York...

New York results will be ridiculous.

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #126 on: March 09, 2016, 03:04:43 PM »
Plus Connecticut, Rhode Island, Arizona and California.

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #127 on: March 09, 2016, 03:28:31 PM »
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Pennsylvania, Jersey, New York...

New York results will be ridiculous.

It's the same people that said Trump had no chance back in summer when he announced.

He'll have 1100 delegates and they'll still be crying he'll never reach 1270 or whatever.

Delusional.   

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« Reply #128 on: March 09, 2016, 03:38:47 PM »
Plus Connecticut, Rhode Island, Arizona and California.

Oh yeah, the North East.

Trump vs. Cruz in that part of the country??

Fugitaboutit...The Don will win those by a mile.

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #129 on: March 09, 2016, 05:55:03 PM »
Oh yeah, the North East.

Trump vs. Cruz in that part of the country??

Fugitaboutit...The Don will win those by a mile.

this is what is so mind-boggling about trump's rise.  He's up by 100 or 150 delegates... and he's been playing "away games".

The ultra-liberal stretch of the states are coming up now... lots of delegates, lots of states, high population NY and Cali, etc.

THAT Is why everyone is getting concerned about Bernie too - he's not too far behind hilary - but she's winning mostly republican states.   in super liberal states, bernie may clean up.

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #130 on: March 10, 2016, 05:07:13 PM »
Rep. Charlie Dent: Kasich Will Win Ohio and Pennsylvania

Image: Rep. Charlie Dent: Kasich Will Win Ohio and Pennsylvania  (Photo by Ty Wright/Getty Images) 
By Todd Beamon   |    Thursday, 10 Mar 2016
 
John Kasich will win primaries in Ohio and Pennsylvania — "and that means the campaign will go to the convention, and of course that will be messy," Rep. Charlie Dent told Newsmax TV on Thursday.

"We're not leaving anything to chance," the Pennsylvania Republican, who backs the Ohio governor, told "Newsmax Prime" host J.D. Hayworth. "I know the governor is barnstorming his home state."

Ohio holds its primary on Tuesday, while Keystone State residents will cast their votes on April 26.

"The momentum is moving in his direction," Dent told Hayworth. "He's a popular governor, he has cut taxes, he took a $8 billion budget deficit and turned it into a surplus, a lot of job creation. A very good story in Ohio.

"His tone is right. He speaks in measured tones — and he's been able to stay a little bit above the fray.

"We've seen a lot of pretty pathetic campaigning, in my view, going on in this presidential race," he said, "but Gov. Kasich's been able to maintain some dignity in the process."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/john-kasich-ohio-pennsylvania-primary/2016/03/10/id/718542/#ixzz42YGoPzaz

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #131 on: March 11, 2016, 11:33:37 AM »
Listened to the comments last night from Kasich, Cruz, Rubio, and Trump on a brokered convention.  Kasich and Rubio have no problem with it, because that is the only way they can win at this point.  Cruz hates it because he knows he has zero shot to win a floor vote.  Trump thinks the person with most delegates should be the nominee, and he is on pace to have the most delegates.  

They are all full of crap.  Political opportunists.  Business as usual.    

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #132 on: March 14, 2016, 01:16:10 PM »
He must have run some numbers and realized he has a chance during a floor vote.  They are so full of it. 

Cruz Changes Tune on Delegates Before Tuesday's Vital Contests

Image: Cruz Changes Tune on Delegates Before Tuesday's Vital Contests
Sunday, 13 Mar 2016

Maybe it wouldn't cause a "manifest uprising" after all to let party insiders have a crack at picking the Republican presidential nominee.

A week after saying that it would be "illegitimate" and "wrong" for Washington insiders at the Republican National Convention to nominate a candidate against the wishes of most voters, Ted Cruz said Sunday it would actually be fine if the convention chose between him and front-runner Donald Trump as long neither had achieved the 1,237 delegates needed to secure the nomination automatically.

"If Donald and I both go into the convention and we’ve both got a big chunk of delegates but both of us are shy of 1,237, then the delegates will decide," the Texas senator told ABC's "This Week With George Stephanopoulos." "That’s how the process works and that’s allowing democracy to operate."

Cruz's comments came days before a string of primary elections on March 15 that could solidify the look of the volatile 2016 Republican race. Florida, Ohio, Illinois, and the Northern Mariana Islands will hold winner-takes-all contests offering a total of 243 delegates, while North Carolina and Missouri offer a total of 124 delegates doled out proportionally.

Cruz, second to Trump in delegates pledged to him through caucus and primary results, said he would "welcome" supporters of Marco Rubio and John Kasich who want to switch allegiances. So far, Cruz said, he's the candidate who has most often bested Trump, the billionaire real estate mogul he portrayed as "a disaster for Republicans, for conservatives."

"Neither one of them have any possibility of beating Donald Trump," Cruz said of his rivals. "If you don’t want to see Donald Trump as the nominee, if you don’t want to see Hillary Clinton as the president, then come join us."

Cruz had scoffed as recently as March 6 at the thought of "a bunch of Washington deal-makers and lobbyists who want to parachute in their preferred candidate because they don't like what the voters are doing." Yet he seemed to soften ahead of Tuesday's contests in which, for the first time, all delegates in a given state will pledge to support that state's winner rather than splitting up to reflect vote share.

The new structure would allow Trump, or one of his challengers, to collect delegates more quickly and potentially achieve an insurmountable advantage before the convention in July.

Others, including 2012 Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney, had suggested that Trump could lose the nomination even if he entered the convention with a plurality of delegates pledged to him. Delegates need not stay pledged to a candidate in subsequent votes if no one wins the first vote with a majority.

On Friday, Rubio, a Florida senator, said his supporters in Ohio should vote for Kasich, who is the state's governor, as a way to stop Trump—a strategy that could help deny Trump an outright majority. Kasich didn't reciprocate by suggesting his supporters should vote for Rubio in Florida, where the senator polls behind Trump despite his home-state advantage.

"I'm going to win in Ohio," Kasich said Sunday on the same program. "I believe there is a good chance I could into the convention with the most amount of delegates."

The latest polls show Kasich may be getting a home-state advantage over Trump. On Sunday, the NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Marist poll should the governor leading Trump by 6 percentage points, 39 percent to 33 percent, in the Buckeye State, outside the margin of error.

That trend hasn't gone unnoticed by the New Yorker, who on Saturday called the former congressman "a baby." In a series of tweets on Sunday Trump slammed Kasich for his support of the North American Free Trade Agreement, backing of the Common Core educational initiative, and for only watching the Golf Channel.

While Cruz said convention delegates could choose between candidates "who are neck-in-neck," he repeated it "would be an absolute disaster" if "there’s a deadlock and the Washington deal-makers come in and pick their favorite candidate who wasn’t even part of the mix."

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/ted-cruz-brokered-convention/2016/03/13/id/718873/#ixzz42uUxXmSv

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #133 on: March 14, 2016, 04:11:18 PM »
He must have run some numbers and realized he has a chance during a floor vote.  They are so full of it. 

you need to stop attacking republicans.

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #134 on: March 16, 2016, 03:12:34 PM »
Good discussion about a brokered convention.

What happens to delegates won by Rubio, other ex-candidates?
Published March 16, 2016
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With Marco Rubio dropping out of the Republican presidential race Tuesday, the Florida senator leaves a large cache of delegates behind. So what happens to them, and the delegates of other former candidates, at the convention in Cleveland?

The short answer is: It varies from state to state, but the Republican Party leaves enough wiggle room that the delegates of former candidates could end up being a factor in July.

Rubio, in suspending his campaign after his home-state Florida loss, leaves 169 delegates behind. Ben Carson accrued eight delegates before he dropped out of the race, while Jeb Bush picked up four. Carly Fiorina, Mike Huckabee and Rand Paul each picked up one in Iowa.

And if either Ted Cruz or John Kasich drop out in the weeks ahead -- and Donald Trump still has not clinched the nomination with the necessary 1,237 delegates -- additional zombie delegates could be in play in Cleveland.

And they could hold sway.

That's because in most states, delegates become "unbound" and are free to support other contenders as soon as their candidate withdraws.

They don't necessarily have to gravitate toward the front-runner at a contested convention, or, in the case of Rubio's delegates, the candidate the Florida senator may ultimately choose to endorse.

They would become essentially free agents, prizes to be wooed by the candidates duking it out in Cleveland.

However some states bind their delegates to the first ballot no matter what.

In Tennessee, delegates are bound for two rounds of voting, while in Iowa, Texas, Virginia, Montana, Nevada, Puerto Rico and Washington, candidates are bound for at least one round of voting whether or not the candidate has withdrawn.

In South Carolina, delegates are bound to the candidate for the first ballot. However, if the winner is not nominated, they are bound to the candidate who finished second or third in the state.

The various state laws mean that while some of the delegates can already peel off to other candidates, many would have to wait until after a first ballot in order to be able to vote for another candidate still in the race.

It remains unclear whether front-runner Trump might be able to reach 1,237 delegates before the convention and avoid this drama. He currently has 661; Ted Cruz has 406; and John Kasich has 142.

Those, such as Kasich, who are banking on the prospect of a contested convention, where the delegates of ex-candidates and other factors could be in play, see a blueprint in past races dating back decades.

Since 1880, there have been eight contested GOP conventions and in five of those, the eventual winner did not go into the convention with a plurality of delegates.

In the 1976 Republican convention, it was the unbound delegates moving toward President Gerald Ford instead of Ronald Reagan that handed Ford the nomination that year. Ford held a slight lead going into the convention, but was shy of an outright majority.

In part by using the power of the White House, with promises of visits and patronage to woo over delegates, Ford won the nomination on the first ballot, by a slim 60 votes.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/16/what-happens-to-delegates-won-by-rubio-other-ex-candidates.html?intcmp=hpbt2

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #135 on: March 17, 2016, 04:21:10 AM »
What a degenerate party the gop has turned into.

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #136 on: March 17, 2016, 10:16:07 AM »
Ryan: Contested convention looking more likely
By Scott Wong - 03/17/16

Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said Thursday there’s no chance he’ll emerge as the GOP presidential nominee if no candidate captures enough delegates before this summer’s convention.

For the first time, however, Ryan acknowledged the increasing likelihood that the GOP nominee will be decided in Cleveland at what’s known as a contested or open convention.

Donald Trump is the clear GOP front-runner, but it’s unclear if he can secure the necessary 1,237 delegates before the July nominating convention.

“Nothing has changed other than the perception that this is more likely to be an open convention than we thought before,” Ryan, the ceremonial chairman of the convention, told reporters. “We’re getting our minds around the idea that this could very well become a reality, and that those of us who are involved in the convention need to respect that.”

The speaker’s comments Thursday suggest party leaders are beginning to prepare for a floor fight at the convention at Quicken Loans Arena in downtown Cleveland.

When The Hill asked him in January about a possible contested convention, Ryan dismissed the idea.

“I think it’s ridiculous to talk about it,” he said at the GOP retreat in Baltimore.

But now, as convention chairman, Ryan said he’ll need to “bone up” on not only his ceremonial duties, but also on the party rules governing what’s expected to be a raucous, unpredictable convention.

Ryan, Mitt Romney’s 2012 vice presidential running mate, also attempted to end the rampant speculation that he might be nominated if voting in Cleveland goes to multiple ballots. His predecessor, former Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), suggested he’d back Ryan if no one has enough votes on the first ballot.

“It is not me. … I saw Boehner last night and I told him to knock it off,” Ryan said, recounting a conversation at an Ireland event. “I used slightly different words. I used his own words that he used against us when he told us to knock things off.

“It’s not going to be me. It should be someone running for president. … Let’s just put this thing to rest and move on.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/273417-ryan-contested-convention-looking-more-likely

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #137 on: March 17, 2016, 11:23:10 AM »
Paul Ryan said the exact same thing about the speaker job.   and the veep running mate last time.
he wants the nomination with all his little heart, don't doubt that.

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #138 on: March 18, 2016, 10:29:21 AM »
Still on track for a brokered convention. 

Current delegate count:

Trump - 461
Cruz - 360
Rubio - 154
Kasich - 54
Carson - 8
Bush   - 4
Fiorina - 1
Huckabee - 1
Paul - 1

http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/parties/republican

Popular vote results since Super Tuesday:
983,622 = Votes for Trump
1,541,001 = Votes for other candidates

Total:
4,249,489 = Votes for Trump
7,809,337 = Votes for other candidates

Popular vote results for Florida, Ill, Ohio, NC, Mo, and DC and the totals to date:

Tuesday's results:
3,196,905 = Votes for Trump
4,499,938 = Votes for other candidates

Total:
7,446,394 = Votes for Trump
12,309,275 = Votes for other candidates

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #139 on: March 21, 2016, 10:28:46 AM »
It’s Still Not Clear That Donald Trump Will Get A Majority Of Delegates
By HARRY ENTEN
MAR 16, 2016

You ever feel like you don’t know exactly how to interpret an election night? That’s how I feel about the Republican side of the aisle after Tuesday. Donald Trump won at least three of the five states that voted on Tuesday, including Florida. (We’re still waiting on a call in Missouri, but Trump leads.) Marco Rubio ended his campaign. John Kasich stayed alive by winning Ohio. Given that Trump likely won every state except for the home state of another candidate, it has to be considered a good night for him. And yet, the main question — are we going to a contested convention? — remains unanswered.

The good news for Trump is that he won the most delegates on Tuesday, and was able to make up for the 66 delegates he lost in Ohio by winning Illinois and likely Missouri, which could bring as many as 95 delegates, depending on how the district allocation shakes out.

Moreover, Trump performed strongly in all the states that voted Tuesday. He won 36 percent of the vote in Ohio, 39 percent in Illinois, 40 percent in North Carolina, 41 percent in Missouri and 46 percent in Florida. His average performance was 40.3 percent. That’s far above his average 34.6 percent that he had on March 1. Granted, the states that voted tonight were different than the states that voted two weeks ago, but there isn’t any sign that Trump’s support is falling. If anything, these results suggest it may be somewhat rising.

The bad news for Trump is pretty clear: even with a Missouri win, he would still have won only a little more than 47 percent of the delegates allocated so far. Moreover, he’ll need to win a little more than 54 percent of the remaining delegates to win the nomination on the first ballot. That’s certainly possible given there are several winner-take-all states to come, and Trump may do well in big East Coast states such as New York and New Jersey. Trump is also in a good position in Arizona, a winner-take-all state that votes next Tuesday.

Still, there are plenty of ways the delegate math can go haywire for him. My own delegate estimate has Trump falling short of the 1,237 delegates he needs because he has done poorly in the west so far, and many of those states haven’t voted yet. It’s also possible that Kasich plays better than we might think among moderate voters in the remaining states to vote in New England and Mid-Atlantic.

Moreover, there are plenty of signs that Trump would have lost a majority of states that voted on Tuesday had Rubio not been in the race. I’m talking about Missouri and North Carolina, where Ted Cruz beat Trump in a one-on-one race in the exit polls. Trump may be rising, though he is still not getting close to a majority of the vote in most states. If the anti-Trump voters can find a better way to coordinate behind one candidate, they probably can beat Trump in a lot of upcoming contests.

When you put it all together, I think the result on Tuesday can best be defined as messy. Trump is likely to have a plurality of delegates after all the contests have finished up on June 7. But a majority? We still don’t know.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-still-not-clear-that-donald-trump-will-get-a-majority-of-delegates/

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #140 on: March 21, 2016, 10:32:09 AM »
Roger Stone Predicts GOP Will Create ‘New, Noxious’ Rules at Convention to Steal Nomination from Donald Trump
by KATIE MCHUGH
21 Mar 2016

Veteran political strategist Roger Stone tells Breitbart News executive chairman and SiriusXM host Stephen K. Bannon that even if GOP frontrunner Donald Trump clinches the 1,237 delegates to win the nomination outright, the party will fight like wild to steal it from him by changing the the rules at the convention.

“In a number of states, the Republican chairman is essentially placing non-Trump people into Trump delegate slots,” Stone said on Breitbart News Daily. “Under the party rules, anyone can register to be a delegate. You don’t have to really be ‘a Trump supporter.’ While those delegates would be bound by the results of primaries or caucuses to vote for Trump on the first ballot, they are not bound on procedural matters like the rules.”

“So, the idea is to have a majority against Trump prior to the first ballot, which you could essentially lay the groundwork for the big steal, by passing as they did to Ron Paul three years ago, rules that are detrimental to Trump, or by unseating Trump delegates,” he said. “The rules committee could theoretically say, states that allowed Democrats and independents to vote without changing their registration to Republican — those delegates would be disallowed.”

Stone declared the GOP convention will be an all-out brawl between party insiders and Trump supporters.

“I think it’s going to be a barn burner. I used to think that if Trump got to 1,237 [delegates] that would be the ball game,” Stone said. “By the way, I think that’s still possible, but not definite. He’s got to get 57 percent of the 1,009 delegates still available going forward, of which 217 are in winner-take-all states.”

“I now believe that even if he gets to 1,237, they’re going to play games with the rules and the credentials if they have control of those committees,” he added. “Remember, those committees are made up by two members from each state, selected by the state’s party chairman. So you don’t know, in states where Trump swept the primary, that the party chairman is going to send copacetic people for Trump to the committees. In fact, it is unlikely.”

“You’re not going to know until you get there,” Stone continued. “The rules of the committee, the rules of the convention were only adopted for the previous convention and they expire prior to this convention.”

The rule used to disqualify Ron Paul from the first ballot, Rule 40-B, “will expire, and can either be renewed, replaced, revised, or completely repealed,” Stone said. “On the other hand, you may have new, noxious rules that may be detrimental to Trump. I can think of half a dozen that could be passed. But that’s where the real fight will be. The test vote will be on a rules or credentials matter, and then you’ll know who’s going to win on the first ballot.”

Stone warned earlier on Monday that Trump must beware of “Trojan horse” delegates that will knee-cap Trump by maneuvering to change the rules in the fourth quarter:

These hard-boiled pols know the nomination will be decided not on the first ballot, but in a series of procedural votes by the entire convention to adopt the rules of the convention as recommended by the Rules Committee and the seating of the delegates as recommended by the Credentials Committee. Those key committees are made up by two members from each state. The bosses have been quietly planting establishment regulars in these spots.

The Trump camp has been inattentive to this process. The party kingmakers may have the votes to knee-cap Trump in the rules and credentials committees, as they did Congressman Ron Paul in 2012.

The kingmakers have planned to steal the nod from Donald Trump.

Now they party insiders want to make sure they have a working majority on the floor for the passage of their “license to steal.” Republican state chairs are planting Trojan Horse delegates into slots won by Trump on the first ballot to vote with them on procedural votes to pass the Rules and Credentials Reports that will seal the “Big Steal.” This is going on in Texas, New York, Massachusetts, Michigan, Connecticut, North Dakota, and other states.

Though these “Trump” delegates will be bound by national and state rules to support Trump through the first ballot at the convention, they are free to vote against Trump’s interests on the adoption of Rules and the seating of delegates. It’s entirely plausible that a state could seat delegates pledged to support Donald Trump who have open affiliations with other candidates. In California, Cruz and Paulistas are signing up online via CA’s GOP website as Trump delegates.

[…]

Much in the way the RNC stacked the galleries with anti-Trump partisans in the last two debates, anti-Trump quislings are be planted in various delegations that will be free to betray Trump on procedural matters and subsequent ballots.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/21/roger-stone-predicts-gop-will-create-new-noxious-rules-at-convention-to-steal-nomination-from-donald-trump/

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #141 on: March 21, 2016, 11:09:36 AM »
Priebus on convention: 'The minority of delegates doesn't rule for the majority'
By Eric Bradner, CNN
Sun March 20, 2016 | Video Source: CNN

Washington (CNN)The Republican National Committee chairman wouldn't back Donald Trump's argument that the candidates with the most delegates headed into the party's convention in Cleveland should automatically win the nomination.

Reince Priebus told CNN's Dana Bash on "State of the Union" Sunday that if no candidate wins the 1,237 delegates necessary to clinch the nomination before the convention, it's up to GOP delegates to decide how to go forward.

"This is a delegate-driven process. This is the first time in a long time people actually cared about delegate count, but delegates matter," Priebus said. "The minority of delegates doesn't rule for the majority."

He pointed out that he was named Republican chairman on the seventh ballot -- and though he led the entire race, "no one gave it to me on the second or third ballot. In fact, I had to fight and fight and fight, and eventually I got the majority. That's how it works."

"No one's disenfranchised. In fact, they're empowered by the delegates they receive," he said.

Priebus complained that "there's a lot of misinformation" about Republican rules -- including one from 2012 that required candidates to have a majority of delegates from at least eight states in order to be nominated on the floor.

He said those 2012 rules don't necessarily carry over to 2016 -- when the delegates will elect a new rules committee to write its convention rules.

"Are you trying to say that the rules committee that was made up of Romney delegates should enforce the rules for the 2016 convention, which will largely be made up of Trump/Cruz delegates?" Priebus said.

Trump predicted on ABC's "This Week" Sunday that he will top 1,237 delegates before the convention in Cleveland.

"I think we will get over that number. There's tremendous spirit about make America great again," he said.

But he said a wide Republican field has made it tough to reach that mark, and "if I'm a few short and I have, you know, 1,200 or if I have 1,100 and somebody else is at 300 or 400 or 500, which is very likely going to be the case," he should be the nominee.

Trump said he'd tell his supporters not to riot if he didn't win the nomination, but that his backers are "fervent."

"All I can say is this, I don't know what's going to happen," Trump said. "But I will say this, you're going to have a lot of very unhappy people. And I think, frankly, for the Republicans to disenfranchise all those people because if that happens, they're not voting and the Republicans lose."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/20/politics/reince-priebus-2016-convention-rules/index.html

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #142 on: March 21, 2016, 01:27:28 PM »
Priebus on convention: 'The minority of delegates doesn't rule for the majority'

it'll be so entertaining when trump is 2 votes short and they don't give it to him lol!

these final few states are going to mean so much.  Still 17 or 20 left?

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #143 on: March 22, 2016, 10:23:16 AM »
Perhaps he thinks he has a shot at the nomination at a contested convention?  Saw a Cruz interview yesterday and he (in my view) admitted Rubio was on his VP short list. 

Exclusive: Marco Rubio rejected 'unity ticket' with Ted Cruz
Utah Sen. Mike Lee sought to arrange a shotgun wedding of his two Senate colleagues, but Rubio wasn't interested.
By ALEX ISENSTADT
03/21/16


Ted Cruz’s campaign has been exploring the possibility of forming a unity ticket with ex-rival Marco Rubio — going so far as to conduct polling looking into how the two would perform in upcoming primary states.

The motivation, hashed out in conversations among Cruz’s top aides and donors: to find a way to halt Donald Trump’s march to the Republican nomination.

It’s unclear whether Cruz’s campaign brass views a partnership with Rubio as realistic or quixotic. In Rubio’s orbit, according to three sources, it’s seen as an outright nonstarter — with Rubio telling his team he isn’t interested.

Yet in recent weeks, within Cruz’s camp, talk of a joint ticket has run rampant. Utah Republican Mike Lee, one of two senators to endorse Cruz, has emerged as an outspoken supporter of a unity ticket — and as a potential broker. The freshman, according to several sources briefed on the talks, has reached out repeatedly to Rubio to gauge his interest, but has been rebuffed.

Shortly before Lee endorsed Cruz on March 10, Lee and his advisers discussed the possibility of organizing a meeting between the Utah senator and Rubio in Florida, just days before the state’s primary, according to two sources. The meeting, though, never happened.

A Lee spokesman, Conn Carroll, declined to comment for this story. So, too, did spokespersons for Cruz and Rubio.

But the Cruz camp’s apparent fascination with the idea of joining forces with Rubio didn’t end with Lee’s efforts.

In recent days, Cruz’s team has begun to investigate how the two would fare on a prospective ticket. Over the past week, according to a person familiar with the Cruz team's internal deliberations, the campaign has conducted polling in forthcoming contests — including the one on Tuesday in Utah — in which questions are posed about the two running side-by-side.

The deliberations come at a time of rising anxiety among Republican leaders and donors about Trump, who many fear is becoming unstoppable. The real estate mogul holds a 256-delegate lead and is seen as the favorite in a number of upcoming primary states, including New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania — contests that could push Trump toward the 1,237 delegate number he needs to secure the Republican nomination.

At the very least, Cruz’s team is hoping for a Rubio endorsement. The two have been in touch since Rubio dropped out last week, and those close to he Florida senator say he’s open to endorsing his Texas colleague — especially if he believes there’s a pathway for Cruz to defeat Trump.

Yet some have pushed for more. Among the Cruz supporters who have been vocal about forging an alliance has been Doug Deason, son of billionaire megadonor Darwin Deason, who has deep connections in the Charles and David Koch fundraising network.

On March 2, the day after Super Tuesday, the younger Deason reached out to Cruz campaign manager Jeff Roe. Rubio had suffered a rash of defeats the night before, and Deason told Roe that it would make sense to reach out to the Florida senator’s team. By that time, Deason had been talking to a number of major Rubio donors, but now wanted to go to the official campaign to pitch the unity-ticket idea.

In an interview, Deason recalled telling Roe he wanted to call Marc Short, a senior Rubio adviser and former operative for the Koch-founded Freedom Partners political operation. After Roe didn’t object, Deason connected with Short and gave him his pitch.

Short’s response, Deason said, was unequivocal: Rubio wasn’t interested. (Short didn’t respond to a request for comment.)

“Rubio was too pompous to act on it. He believed his own internal polls and there was no swaying him away from staying in the race through the Florida primary,” Deason said. “If he had signed on before the first Super Tuesday, Cruz would have won all of the Texas votes and a lot more delegates. They may have very well won Florida.”

Appearing on Fox News after this story was published on Monday evening, Cruz was pressed on his campaign’s decision to look into a unity ticket and to poll its prospects. He said that he and Rubio haven’t spoken about it, nor had their respective staffs.

Cruz declined, however, to rule out a unity ticket.

“I think any Republican would naturally have Marco on their short list and you would look seriously to him as a vice presidential choice,” he said.

Erick Erickson, a vocal Trump critic who has floated the idea of a Cruz-Rubio alliance and last week organized a call by prominent conservative activists for a Republican “unity ticket,” said he thought it would be “very effective in stopping Trump.”

“I wish they would do it because it would provide counterprogramming to the Donald Trump show,” he said in an interview.

But Rubio’s camp is uniformly dismissive of the idea. “Different combinations have been floating out there for a little while — who could partner up with whom," said Utah Rep. Jason Chaffetz, a Rubio endorser. "But I didn’t take it too seriously.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/exclusive-marco-rubio-rejected-unity-ticket-with-ted-cruz-221066#ixzz43eZNWnMO

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #144 on: March 24, 2016, 03:12:33 PM »
Battle for Rubio's 'unbound' delegates heats up as campaigns look to convention
By  Adam Shaw 
Published March 24, 2016
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The battle for Marco Rubio's delegates already is under way, as the remaining Republican presidential candidates compete for the dozens who -- in the case of a contested convention -- would be up for grabs even before the first vote in Cleveland.

Under the complex rules governing each state's primary, at least 80 of Rubio's 166 delegates will be unbound before the July convention, meaning free to vote for whomever they choose. Donald Trump still is trying to clinch the nomination outright by winning the necessary 1,237 delegates -- but if he doesn't, Rubio's delegate stash could be a deciding factor on the floor.

Campaigns are wasting no time vying for their support.

“The unbound ones we’re going after pretty strongly,” Barry Bennett, a senior adviser to the Trump campaign, told FoxNews.com. “We aren’t going to waste resources on them, but if you’re 'wooable' we plan to woo.”

The former candidate's delegates might be tough for the front-runner to win over, though, particularly as Rubio himself describes Ted Cruz as the only true conservative left in the race.

“These delegates don’t look like Trump voters,” Rick Wilson, a GOP strategist and a Rubio supporter, told FoxNews.com. “These are activists, long-time members of the party, they’re a different flavor of voter.”

He said the delegates will probably trickle off to Cruz, Ohio Gov. John Kasich or even an outside candidate, as opposed to Trump.

The rest of the Rubio delegates will be operating under different rules. Nineteen will be reassigned to other candidates, while the remainder would become unbound after either the first or second ballot, if there is a contested convention.

The unbound delegates are going to play a key role, Wilson said.

“The numbers are going to be very close and there’s going to be a lot of outreach from Cruz or Kasich or any potential outsider,” Wilson said.

For context, at the last contested convention in 1976, President Gerald Ford won the nomination over then-California Gov. Ronald Reagan by a skin-of-the-teeth 60 votes.

Rubio has not formally endorsed anyone yet, though he has made some positive comments toward Cruz, raising the likelihood that Rubio might back his fellow Cuban-American Senate colleague.

While an endorsement does not bind a candidate’s delegates to that choice, it would act as a powerful recommendation.

However, Trump’s campaign disagrees with the narrative of Rubio delegates ignoring Trump and going to either Kasich or Cruz.

“We have been pleasantly surprised with our conversations [with delegates] thus far and have secured commitments from some Rubio delegates and Bush delegates so we feel pretty good,” Bennett told FoxNews.com. “I know that’s contrary to the narrative but we feel good.”

Bennett also raised the possibility that delegates who line up behind Cruz are just backing him until the convention, at which point his support will evaporate as they line up behind a more moderate candidate.

"This is where I think Cruz is being taken for a ride," Bennett said. "The establishment is using him because they want to get to the second ballot, and then they'll pretend they've never heard of him."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/24/battle-for-rubios-unbound-delegates-heats-up-as-campaigns-look-to-convention.html?intcmp=hpbt2

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #145 on: March 24, 2016, 07:33:26 PM »
Cruz may have to drop out of the race.  THIS is how trump gets his delegates, I guess.   Or this is how Kasich comes out of nowhere?



The National Enquirer is indeed a tabloid – and as such there are various grains of salt that should be applied when reviewing anything they present.

However, that said, they have been unfortunately accurate for more than a few presidential hopefuls:  Gary Hart, Jesse Jackson and John Edwards to name a few of the more infamous examples.


Beyond the story itself there’s a few presenting elements which point to a high degree of confidence, and as a consequence ‘legal avoidance’, on the publishers’ part.

Firstly, they post pictures of the collective mistresses.  NE would never legally “go there” if they did not hold a very reasonable certainty the outlined players were factually part of the story.

Secondly, there’s at least one face in the group that is easily identifiable.

When you accept the NE editorial/legal requirement for research and attributed comment prior to publication, you recognize there is more than a strong probability each of the outlined group (pictured) was contacted prior to publication; and one of those is very close to the Donald Trump campaign.  Ergo, it’s entirely likely presidential candidate Donald Trump knew this story was coming out.

Which puts candidate Trump’s prior discussion and opinion of media libel in a strangely much larger, and more substantially prescient, aspect.  3-D political strategy not withstanding.

The National Enquirer has essentially baited the hook in a typical manner and one famously utilized by Andrew Breitbart.

So now they wait and see if, and how, the Cruz campaign responds.   It is entirely possible the story could explode exponentially depending on the severity of any denials or admissions therein.

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #146 on: March 24, 2016, 08:06:48 PM »
Low information voter meltdown. 

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #147 on: March 24, 2016, 08:18:18 PM »
Low information voter meltdown. 

yeah, i remember posting Ann Coulter yelling about the Edwards affair... it was MONTHS until someone picked up on the story. 

Dude, insulting me is easy.  Facing this story is incredibly difficult.  This is bad bad news.   I hope it's a total lie.

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Re: Brokered Convention
« Reply #148 on: March 24, 2016, 08:22:13 PM »
yeah, i remember posting Ann Coulter yelling about the Edwards affair... it was MONTHS until someone picked up on the story. 

Dude, insulting me is easy.  Facing this story is incredibly difficult.  This is bad bad news.   I hope it's a total lie.

Oh shut the heck up already.  You are a flaming, anti-conservative liberal who relishes negative stories about conservatives.  Even tabloid trash that liberal rags won't touch.  About what we should expect from someone who believes in loony conspiracy theories.   

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« Reply #149 on: March 24, 2016, 08:23:57 PM »
yeah, i remember posting Ann Coulter yelling about the Edwards affair... it was MONTHS until someone picked up on the story. 

Dude, insulting me is easy.  Facing this story is incredibly difficult.  This is bad bad news.   I hope it's a total lie.

No. This is not news at all.

I will say exactly like I said numerous times. I don't give a flying fuck what a person does in their personal lives. Whether it's getting a blow job or banging mistresses. It doesn't bother me at all.

What matters is how they do their job.