Apple vs. The Government

[Nails]

Said he would open the phone on his lunch break if the Gov Hired him, plus free of charge

but in reality he said it will take him 3 weeks top if now he will eat his own shoe on live tv









http://www.businessinsider.com/john-mcafee-ill-decrypt-san-bernardino-phone-for-free-2016-2

[The Abdominal Snoman]

I don't think this is true. The world has just changed too for me to buy into the overreaching, all-powerful gov't narrative. With a few exceptions, it's more profitable and prestigious to work for a successful private company than it is to work for the government.

IMOP If you're deep undercover working for say some sort of CIA/FBI offset dark group that has infiltrated Apple etc, You're going to get a paycheck from that offset group and the company you infiltrated. So you're basically working for both. You'll get all the prestige and money that comes from working in the private sector anyway. It's not either or. It's both or even multiple if your a consultant for many tech companies...

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Interesting article on who controls the internet.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2858793/Guardians-internet-seven-people-control-safety-world-wide-web-literally-hold-KEYS-internet.html

[Al Doggity]

IMOP If you're deep undercover working for say some sort of CIA/FBI offset dark group that has infiltrated Apple etc, You're going to get a paycheck from that offset group and the company you infiltrated. So you're basically working for both. You'll get all the prestige and money that comes from working in the private sector anyway. It's not either or. It's both or even multiple if your a consultant for many tech companies...

I'm just not getting what the purpose of having a  double agent infiltrate a consumer electronics company would be.  Or why anyone working for an American company  would feel compelled to be a double agent for the feds.  

[Al Doggity]

Said he would open the phone on his lunch break if the Gov Hired him, plus free of charge

but in reality he said it will take him 3 weeks top if now he will eat his own shoe on live tv









http://www.businessinsider.com/john-mcafee-ill-decrypt-san-bernardino-phone-for-free-2016-2

That article says he's running for pres. I guess this is his Trump moment.

[SF1900]

The U.S. Department of Justice filed a motion on Friday seeking to compel Apple Inc (AAPL.O) to comply with a judge's order to unlock the encrypted iPhone belonging to one of the San Bernardino shooters, portraying the tech giant's refusal as a "marketing strategy."

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-encryption-doj-idUSKCN0VS2FT

[obsidian]

Why can't Apple just unlock this one phone without giving the government anything but the unlocked phone with the data on it? I mean do they really have to change their OS so the government can unlock it on their own? The government should just approach Apple with a court order every time they need a phone unlocked.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Why can't Apple just unlock this one phone without giving the government anything but the unlocked phone with the data on it? I mean do they really have to change their OS so the government can unlock it on their own? The government should just approach Apple with a court order every time they need a phone unlocked.

I think I read that American government has over 100 court orders for over 100 different phones they want Apple to open. Ranging from terrorists to drug dealers. Looks like the Government is already trying to overreach and is using this terrorist phone to gain the public's acceptance...It's all a dog and phony show. The Government already has all those phones open and knows exactly whats on them. They just don't want the public to know they have it...

[The Abdominal Snoman]

What if Apple doesn't have a "back door" to get into the phones? And it would cost them millions to build one etc. Why should Apple or any tech company have to front the bill to get info for a government org? Why not tell the Gov to go pound sand and get the info yourself?

[TuHolmes]

What if Apple doesn't have a "back door" to get into the phones? And it would cost them millions to build one etc. Why should Apple or any tech company have to front the bill to get info for a government org? Why not tell the Gov to go pound sand and get the info yourself?

It does not.

That's the point really.

All of the vulnerabilities that the government speaks of to allow a "back door" are in the past and Apple has secured those. The reality is that this "Back door" they are asking for will have to be in a future release of the OS and does absolutely nothing to help them now.

Should another vulnerability arise that allows access to this version of OS (IE, a new found bug) then the government can use that to get in. Then Apple patches that vulnerability for the next OS version and the line is shifted again.

[Never1AShow]

What if Apple doesn't have a "back door" to get into the phones? And it would cost them millions to build one etc. Why should Apple or any tech company have to front the bill to get info for a government org? Why not tell the Gov to go pound sand and get the info yourself?

Then they could tell the court that doing what is asked is too burdensome.  The order itself says they can object on this basis.  It also specifically asks them to provide an estimate of the cost.  It ain't like the govt ain't got money.  It can print all day. 

No, this is just Apple posturing.  They've been opening phones for the govt for years.

[Al Doggity]

 
No, this is just Apple posturing.  They've been opening phones for the govt for years.

No, they haven't. In the previous cases where the government asked for information from locked phones, Apple assisted because they could retrieve info without unlocking  That isn't possible with the current OS.

[HTexan]

Why can't Apple just unlock this one phone without giving the government anything but the unlocked phone with the data on it? I mean do they really have to change their OS so the government can unlock it on their own? The government should just approach Apple with a court order every time they need a phone unlocked.

1.) they can't, break into the iPhone since iOS 8.
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2014/09/ios_8_encryption_why_apple_won_t_unlock_your_iphone_for_the_police.html

2.) the fbi WANTS a back door.

[Nails]

why doesn't the GOV ask FORD for a back door to access live audio record of the couple while fleeing  The SUV has Onstar which has a microphone in it, should be fairly simple to create a back door for something that doesnt exist to be created .....

[sync pulse]

Every telecom company from Western Union on forward have instantly assisted the U. S. Government in their intelligence gathering.

During the Naval treaty Conference in the 1920’s, Western Union provided copies of cablegrams of the delegates to decryptors in the War Department…

[HTexan]

why doesn't the GOV ask FORD for a back door to access live audio record of the couple while fleeing  The SUV has Onstar which has a microphone in it, should be fairly simple to create a back door for something that doesnt exist to be created .....

Exactly this ^
this isn't CSI cyber.

[Schnauzer]

The Obama administration told a magistrate judge Friday it would be willing to allow Apple to retain possession of and later destroy specialized software it was ordered to create to help federal authorities hack into the encrypted iPhone belong to Syed Rizwan Farook.

 "Apple may maintain custody of the software, destroy it after its purpose under the order has been served, refuse to disseminate it outside of Apple and make clear to the world that it does not apply to other devices or users without lawful court orders," the Justice Department told Judge Sheri Pym. "No one outside Apple would have access to the software required by the order unless Apple itself chose to share it."  

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/02/20/doj-would-allow-apple-to-keep-or-destroy-software-to-help-fbi-hack-iphone.html 

[TuHolmes]

What part of it doesn't exist does everyone not fucking understand?

Damn people are stupid when it comes to technology.

[Never1AShow]

What part of it doesn't exist does everyone not fucking understand?

Damn people are stupid when it comes to technology.

Let someone say they cannot do it or do not have it under oath, until then, it's just bullshit.

[Never1AShow]

No, they haven't. In the previous cases where the government asked for information from locked phones, Apple assisted because they could retrieve info without unlocking  That isn't possible with the current OS.

Yes, they have.  The government has for years been having Apple open locked phones for them.  Just because they changed the kind of lock to a combination rather than a key lock doesn't mean they haven't been opening phones for the govt for years.

[HTexan]

Let someone say they cannot do it or do not have it under oath, until then, it's just bullshit.

you are kind of ignorant went it comes to technology aren't you?

[Never1AShow]

you are kind of ignorant went it comes to technology aren't you?

You are kind of ignorant when it comes to human nature and corporate profits aren't you?  If you believe Apple doesn't already have a back door you are nuts.  They don't want to be called out on their bs marketing strategy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/technology/a-yearlong-road-to-a-standoff-with-the-fbi.html?_r=0

[OB1]

If you believe Apple doesn't already have a back door you are nuts. 

Exactly.
The smartphone has been mainly developed to track its user's activities.
Its other functions are merely add-ons.

[HTexan]

You are kind of ignorant when it comes to human nature and corporate profits aren't you?  If you believe Apple doesn't already have a back door you are nuts.  They don't want to be called out on their bs marketing strategy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/technology/a-yearlong-road-to-a-standoff-with-the-fbi.html?_r=0

not at all. Only an idiot, like you, would believe that apple would have a backdoor on their devices. It is more profitable for them to not be able to unlock a device. You paranoid girl. 

[Al Doggity]

Yes, they have.  The government has for years been having Apple open locked phones for them.  Just because they changed the kind of lock to a combination rather than a key lock doesn't mean they haven't been opening phones for the govt for years.

No, they haven't opened locked phones for the government before. The method used to retrieve information from a locked phone is not immaterial. It is the entire point of this case.