Apple vs. The Government

[Las Vegas]

This has nothing to do with what most people have been arguing in this thread and it's hardly a secret. Most people who use Facebook and then leave do so because of privacy concerns. Facebook isn't secretive about their information gathering.

Whether or not Facebook or Apple products gather a ton of information is not the issue. Whether that information is readily accessible by the government is the issue.

Wouldn't that help show what Snoman said earlier, about the government and the corporations having a reason to mix?

[HTexan]

HTexan grasping to find Allies.

take that dick out of your mouth when you say my name punk.

[Las Vegas]

take that dick out of your mouth when you say my name punk.

Any particular reason you've been so preoccupied with subjects involving homosexuality in other threads in the past?

[Board_SHERIF]

2 pieces of shite organizations involved Apple and the US government..both liars and both un-trustworthy.

If you think ShitApple does not have a way to retrieve the password then you are gullible, there is a binary file some where on the ios that has the password to match what you type in, or it is on the ShitCloud. Someone at ShitApple knows this, but I am sure 99.99% believe there is no crack.

This is a marketing ploy to sell more ios's to the masses.

The default password method is the "simple" password, you then have to enable the enhance password method that has the extra protection and delete option after 10 attempts.

[Al Doggity]

2 pieces of shite organizations involved Apple and the US government..both liars and both un-trustworthy.

If you think ShitApple does not have a way to retrieve the password then you are gullible, there is a binary file some where on the ios that has the password to match what you type in, or it is on the ShitCloud. Someone at ShitApple knows this, but I am sure 99.99% believe there is no crack.

This is a marketing ploy to sell more ios's to the masses.

The default password method is the "simple" password, you then have to enable the enhance password method that has the extra protection and delete option after 10 attempts.

No publicly traded company would use this as a marketing ploy. Half of the people who have heard about this think Apple is aiding  terrorists, hence the public letter discussed earlier. There aren't enough people interested in security to the level of wiping a phone if an incorrect password is guessed for this to have much significance as a marketing ploy for one of the largest companies in the world.

[Board_SHERIF]

No publicly traded company would use this as a marketing ploy. Half of the people who have heard about this think Apple is aiding  terrorists, hence the public letter discussed earlier. There aren't enough people interested in security to the level of wiping a phone if an incorrect password is guessed for this to have much significance as a marketing ploy for one of the largest companies in the world.

What about the millions of criminals and terrorists ? no interest in this??

[The Abdominal Snoman]

X2 One of the worst things to happen in modern society.  Why anyone in a right mind would touch FB, I'll never know

Every time I see Mark Suckerberg, I have visions of stomping him into the concrete (as the saying goes, of course).  I can't imagine disliking a person much worse than I do him.  I understand he's an empty suit at FB, but there's just something about him.

And who do you suppose fucked his chinagirl wife?  Perhaps a case of gay porn and a turkey baster, because no way a fruit loop like him is producing a child in any normal fashion.

Zuckerberg is just the face of Facebook. He helps give it that "innocent" look. Just listen to the kid talk. Certainly not someone who is in charge of such a massive company. As far as the China wife, many have stated that Suckerberg is hung like a light switch and is very insecure about it. Not unlike IFBB's very own Gary Strydom who moved to an Asian country so he would "fit it".lol

[Al Doggity]

What about the millions of criminals and terrorists ? no interest in this??

A fraction  of the people who don't use their iphones to break the law.

[cart@@n]

[Never1AShow]

Your argument makes no linear sense. You're saying that they A) have been unlocking phones for the gov for years B)randomly decided to stop unlocking phones C) created a backdoor which, incidentally, also creates a legal liability for them D) engaged in a highly publicized fight with the government which would only draw attention to the alleged backdoor if it exists?

This is bonkers. If they've been unlocking phones for years, why randomly stop now? If they're so concerned with their marketing strategy, why create the key in the first place? Why draw attention to its eventual release to the government with a high profile court case that could possibly set a legal precedent?

It is well documented that they have been opening phones for years and only recently stopped.  Christ get a Google.

[TuHolmes]

It is well documented that they have been opening phones for years and only recently stopped.  Christ get a Google.

Opened phones on vulnerable operating systems. You could open those too. Nothing special.

They changed security methods and schemes and you can no longer do so.

[Al Doggity]

Opened phones on vulnerable operating systems. You could open those too. Nothing special.

They changed security methods and schemes and you can no longer do so.

Not even that. A lot of the media have been misreporting that phones were opened for the government when that isn't what actually happened. Apple was aware of certain vulnerabilities and was able to access some information without unlocking the phones.   When the media claim that Apple has unlocked 70 phones, they are talking about the times when Apple has extracted limited data from locked phones and handed over stuff from icloud. They never unlocked phones.

 In other news, Bill Gates spoke out in support of the gov't in a Financial Times interview. He's backtracking now and saying that he was misquoted. 

[HTexan]

http://m.worldstarhiphop.com/apple/video.php?v=wshhd9NRI2B9ajz46c8i

[Board_SHERIF]

http://m.worldstarhiphop.com/apple/video.php?v=wshhd9NRI2B9ajz46c8i

McAfee software is a joke...yet another disgusting liar has joined the party.

[Nails]

bump for pellius

[Spike]

No publicly traded company would use this as a marketing ploy. Half of the people who have heard about this think Apple is aiding  terrorists, hence the public letter discussed earlier. There aren't enough people interested in security to the level of wiping a phone if an incorrect password is guessed for this to have much significance as a marketing ploy for one of the largest companies in the world.

when the price of your stock is rock solid and marketing for Apple is much different than samsung or a even Mercedes - Apple is more like tesla - $200/share, little to no main stream marketing, as long as hipsters like you your good type

Apple stock isnt somethign that changes a lot - watch the stock after they have a press release or one of their famous unveilings

marketing for apple is more word of mouth - they just want people talkign about them and if its  a "me against the US govt' ploy then they get on the right side of ball when people start talking

[Al Doggity]

when the price of your stock is rock solid and marketing for Apple is much different than samsung or a even Mercedes - Apple is more like tesla - $200/share, little to no main stream marketing, as long as hipsters like you your good type

Apple stock isnt somethign that changes a lot - watch the stock after they have a press release or one of their famous unveilings

marketing for apple is more word of mouth - they just want people talkign about them and if its  a "me against the US govt' ploy then they get on the right side of ball when people start talking

Apple is one of the most aggressively marketed brands in America. They spend well over a billion $$ annually and that's right in line with Samsung. On top of  that, their image is as meticulously curated as any brand  this side of Disney. Just based on its sheer size Apple couldn't be all about hipsters, but the fact that you would link hipsters' perceived shared tastes with the image of America's largest corporation (by market cap) goes to show how meticulously Apple manages its image.

From a marketing standpoint, the public is hearing two different stories: Apple vs. gov't and Apple supporting terrorists. The potential misunderstanding this could create with the public is not something any big brand would welcome.  

[mr.turbo]

forgive me if this has been posted but iphone already has backdoors so how can this be an issue?

the FBI can get the data from NSA so what exactly is up with this? All these companies have rolled over a long time ago..hmmm I gather the spy agencies don't want the FBI stepping on their toes. Must be some fined grained legal issues going on. Hard to summon much concern over it.

[mr.turbo]

well after spending five minutes on it. I think it comes down to legal precedent.

at the moment NSA can access all data without warrant and does so.

this case includes an order from a judge, so it's been authorized with some oversight, it goes into public record and so on. Basically the old fashioned way of doing police work (pre 911).  This is why NSA opposes the FBI because it would compel them to do the same and adhere to a legal process. Or not who knows, it seems nobody cares about the fact that NSA is basically above oversight. Making more sense now.

[Las Vegas]

well after spending five minutes on it. I think it comes down to legal precedent.

at the moment NSA can access all data without warrant and does so.

this case includes an order from a judge, so it's been authorized with some oversight, it goes into public record and so on. Basically the old fashioned way of doing police work (pre 911).  This is why NSA opposes the FBI because it would compel them to do the same and adhere to a legal process. Or not who knows, it seems nobody cares about the fact that NSA is basically above oversight. Making more sense now.

Have you read something which says this, specifically?

[Al Doggity]

They have it.  They know they will be forced to turn it over.  All this is just theater and a marketing ploy so they can pretend otherwise.

I've responded to a few posters in this thread in regards to why I think it's short-sighted to think Apple would use this as a marketing gimmick. There's another thread covering some of the issues in this thread and a poster in that thread posted this:

Pellius, legally this is a very simple issue.  The FBI obtained a search warrant, issued by a judge to search the contents of ONE phone.
The warrant was issued based on probable cause, specific facts and specific circumstances related to one cell phone that was operated by one person. The FBI realized that they have only so many chances to try to crack the phones passcode. This is because apple phones have a security measure which erases the phones content if the wrong password is put in ten times. The FBI has asked apple to disable their security measure on this one phone so they can gather information about the couple who murdered 14 people in san bernadino.

This is not about every phone, it is not about making apple hand over their technology to the FBI, it is not about carte blanch authority for the FBI to search all phones. The FBI is not asking apple to decipher the passwword. All of that would not be authorized by a search warrant.

The FBI is asking apple to deisable the security measure on this one phone related to one specific event. It is not setting a precedent it's the standard by which all search warant have been issued for decades.  The FBI already has the warrant they are asking for apples help.

Oddly enough if apple wins and the judge says apple cant be forced to unlock the security on this phone, then the FBI will have to figure out a way to break into the phone and if they do, they will then have the back door entry into everyphone. The FBI obviously has a strong case to search the phone. The judge may say to the FBI that they have the search warrant its upto tjhe FBI to figure it out on their own. I think apple picked the wrong battle to fight though in this particular matter. In my opinion apple looks like shit now for not helping out. I'd like to know what the family members of those 14 people think.


The poster has posted in this thread and it doesn't seem like he is that up on the intricacies of the case, which is why I didn't bother responding. But I did want to post this quote for you and the others who believe Apple is using this as a marketing ploy because, like I've said in other posts, I think this is probably how the majority of consumers (especially American consumers) who aren't following this case closely feel.

[Al Doggity]

John McAfee Lying About Iphone Hack

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/john-mcafee-lied-iphone-apple-fbi/


Cliffs: After elaborating on his hacking technique, experts reviewed it and said it would not work. McAfee later admitted that his offer was a publicity gimmick and he was trying to draw public attention towards what he considers the government's overreaching. Cites the 700,000 views to his youtube interview as proof that it worked.

[WannaBePro]

Exclusive video of FBI trying to crack Apple security

[Board_SHERIF]

John McAfee Lying About Iphone Hack

http://www.dailydot.com/politics/john-mcafee-lied-iphone-apple-fbi/


Cliffs: After elaborating on his hacking technique, experts reviewed it and said it would not work. McAfee later admitted that his offer was a publicity gimmick and he was trying to draw public attention towards what he considers the government's overreaching. Cites the 700,000 views to his youtube interview as proof that it worked.

As I said earlier in thread..Mcaffee sofware is a joke..the muscletech of the pc world.

[HTexan]

As I said earlier in thread..Mcaffee sofware is a joke..the muscletech of the pc world.

He lied about the software he could write and the ease of breaking into encryption.
Not the methodology used to crack software and hardware. The problem is time and resources.
A universal master key, is overstepping. The two losers of the smartphone market pretty much already have something similar in place. Blackberry already has one, Microsoft spys and folds like paper.
Hopefully, the 2 giants hold strong.