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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #125 on: March 10, 2016, 10:24:28 AM »
And how do we distinguish mans subjective standards versus gods objective standards...the holy bible? The bible was written by men.

By being obsessed about sin, what sin is and trying to avoid it one becomes like the Pharisees. All clean and pure without but lacking spiritual realization and keeping others from entering in to that kingdom of direct understanding.

If sin means to miss the mark, then the essential sin out of which all ignorance arises is falling out of the enlightened state of union with god which is the state that Rumis poem describes. Perfect Oneness, no duality there, no right and wrong, yet no harm done to oneself or others.




Solid question.  Yes the bible written by men under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

A person should be "obsessed" with righteousness and in doing so avoid sin.   We should live a Christ-like existence (without sin) and through Christ we will enter his kingdom.

The Pharisees became idols unto themselves and objected to Jesus Christ as Messiah because it meant their influence and position was instantly limited and called into question.

Sin is actually an offense against God....a breaking of his law which sinners willfully engage in.  The only way to be made righteous is through Jesus Christ.

I appreciate how you're always civil and gracious when we speak.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #126 on: March 10, 2016, 10:26:14 AM »
Yes, we have free will to sin.

Catholic church is the Pope's church...he sets the standards there.

God has his church.....we follow God's standards.

That's probably very comforting to  (and possibly somewhat smug of) those who dislike the papists but human behaviour in all its varieties exhibits and exercises it self in all beliefs
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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #127 on: March 10, 2016, 10:30:06 AM »
That's probably very comforting to  (and possibly somewhat smug of) those who dislike the papists but human behaviour in all its varieties exhibits and exercises it self in all beliefs

It may read smug, but sadly it's the truth.  I don't believe all Catholics are going to hell.  I believe many are absolute followers of Christ and are simply ignorant of the history of the RCC and the teachings of magisterium.   I believe many love the Lord as I do and are saved as I am....they're just in a bad church environment.  The church doesn't make one a believer or guarantee salvation....we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #128 on: March 10, 2016, 10:40:29 AM »
Thank you, I strongly agree with what you said regarding how they tend to react. I concede that this has led me to lose my temper recently, as MOS suggested, and tend to go into rants rather than stick to a more mature line of reasoning, so i will probably just cease to address his posts for a little while!

I look forward to it.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #129 on: March 10, 2016, 10:54:38 AM »
"Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing,
there is a field. I'll meet you there.

When the soul lies down in that grass,
the world is too full to talk about.
Ideas, language, even the phrase "each other" doesn't make any sense." -Rumi

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #130 on: March 10, 2016, 11:02:45 AM »
to think the universe, man, the order of things, the depth of human emotion, etc., all simply came out of nothingness.

Only a truly blind fool would think so.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #131 on: March 10, 2016, 02:45:58 PM »
Jesus Christ is God.  Is a human being.  Lived on earth.  Died, buried and rose from dead.  There were witnesses.  His life and death were prophesied.

This is what you believe. Not everyone agrees with these concepts.

I thought Jesus was "the son of God" and not God himself.

Has anyone interviewed these witnesses to see if their stories are consistent? No one since the time of Jesus would really know what is real and what isn't. We just take it on "faith" rather than facts.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #132 on: March 10, 2016, 02:47:59 PM »
Man has subjective ideas of wrong and right.

God has absolute objective standards of wrong and right.  

And yes, we all need to repent and stop sinning.....even Rumi needed to.

Yes, and we all know how awesome God's objective standards are: if you think impure thoughts and masturbate, youre going to hell.

Yup, sounds like a great objective standard of morality lol.
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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #133 on: March 10, 2016, 02:51:18 PM »
It's almost painful to watch a believer in the bible stumble when trying to reconcile all the contradictions and hypocrisy it contains.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #134 on: March 10, 2016, 02:51:34 PM »
I mean, look at this (from a bible site) lol

1. Psychic effects. Masturbation has a tendency to isolate its captives psychologically and socially. In masturbation, the person is focused on self-alone even though he or she usually is fantasizing about someone else at the same time.

2. Emotional deprivation. It is impossible for the one who is practicing this habit to experience the full extent of sex emotions. Therefore, in short-circuiting the emotions one can easily be removed from the world of reality.

3. Damaged sensibility. The habit of masturbation has a tendency in numbing the mechanism of the sexual organs if practiced excessively. This lessens the sensibility and thus detracts from normal sexual relations of married life.

4. Self-gratification. The emotional background of self-gratification is not the least bit healthy and usually militates against the home, wife and family because it is focused only on self.

Notice above, it never says "EXCESSIVE" masturbation. Just masturbation.

Science weighs in:

While it once was regarded as a perversion and a sign of a mental problem, masturbation now is regarded as a normal, healthy sexual activity that is pleasant, fulfilling, acceptable, and safe. It is a good way to experience sexual pleasure and can be done throughout life.

In general, the medical community considers masturbation to be a natural and harmless expression of sexuality for both men and women. It does not cause any physical injury or harm to the body, and can be performed in moderation throughout a person's lifetime as a part of normal sexual behavior.
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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #135 on: March 10, 2016, 03:14:22 PM »

While it once was regarded as a perversion and a sign of a mental problem, masturbation now is regarded as a normal, healthy sexual activity that is pleasant, fulfilling, acceptable, and safe. It is a good way to experience sexual pleasure and can be done throughout life.

In general, the medical community considers masturbation to be a natural and harmless expression of sexuality for both men and women. It does not cause any physical injury or harm to the body, and can be performed in moderation throughout a person's lifetime as a part of normal sexual behavior.


Not only this, but from my perspective as a senior and a widower, it's safe as compared to sex with someone else, particularly when it's someone you are dating or just a one night stand.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #136 on: March 10, 2016, 03:19:08 PM »
Literally every one of you is spiritually blind.  Even the so called Christians. It's amazing.
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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #137 on: March 10, 2016, 03:25:18 PM »
Literally every one of you is spiritually blind.  Even the so called Christians. It's amazing.

And you know this how? What makes you believe you are not also "spiritually blind"?

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #138 on: March 10, 2016, 03:30:00 PM »
And you know this how? What makes you believe you are not also "spiritually blind"?

I know this because I'm not spiritually blind and I'm not spiritually blind because The Most High gave me eyes to see and ears to hear. 
It all starts with the Bible.  Not any specific religion but the Bible.  Religions come from the Bible. The Bible itself is not incorrect.

Lets keep in mind being a Hebrew Israelite has alot to do with it.  I'm not saying this to exalt myself, I'm saying this because for the last 4 years I've quoted bible verses, broke them down etc but no one wants to hear. Everyone wants to keep doing what they do and complain when they fail.
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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #139 on: March 10, 2016, 03:31:54 PM »
I know this because I'm not spiritually blind and I'm not spiritually blind because The Most High gave me eyes to see and ears to hear. 
It all starts with the Bible.  Not any specific religion but the Bible.  Religions come from the Bible. The Bible itself is not incorrect.

Lets keep in mind being a Hebrew Israelite has alot to do with it.  I'm not saying this to exalt myself, I'm saying this because for the last 4 years I've quoted bible verses, broke them down etc but no one wants to hear. Everyone wants to keep doing what they do and complain when they fail.

The only thing "most high" is you, kid.  Get your CNA yet?    "Hebrew Israelite"...What a maroon.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #140 on: March 10, 2016, 03:39:33 PM »
I know this because I'm not spiritually blind and I'm not spiritually blind because The Most High gave me eyes to see and ears to hear.  
It all starts with the Bible.  Not any specific religion but the Bible.  Religions come from the Bible. The Bible itself is not incorrect.

Lets keep in mind being a Hebrew Israelite has alot to do with it.  I'm not saying this to exalt myself, I'm saying this because for the last 4 years I've quoted bible verses, broke them down etc but no one wants to hear. Everyone wants to keep doing what they do and complain when they fail.

So I gather you can actually trace your ancestry to the Hebrew Israelites. That's great! Many folks have trouble tracing their ancestry back more than a couple of generations.

"As a direct result of their disobedience to the laws and commandments of God, the ancient Hebrew Israelites were held captive by various nations including the Egyptians, Assyrians and Babylonians. In 70 C.E. the remnants of The African Hebrew Israelites were driven from Jerusalem by the Romans into different parts of the world, including Africa. Many Hebrew Israelites migrated to West Africa where they, once again, were carried away captive – this time by Europeans on slave ships – to the Americas along with other African tribes people."

More recently:

"The African Hebrew Israelites of Jerusalem are comprised of approximately 2,000 men, women and children residing in three development towns – – Dimona, Arad and Mitzpe Ramon – – in southern Israel. We maintain a vibrant culture which includes a communal lifestyle, a vegan diet, a system of preventive health care and high moral standards – – a holistic approach to life based on righteousness. Our intent is to live according to the laws and prophecies of God."


http://africanhebrewisraelitesofjerusalem.com/?page_id=2

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #141 on: March 10, 2016, 03:46:13 PM »
So I gather you can actually trace your ancestry to the Hebrew Israelites. That's great! Many folks have trouble tracing their ancestry back more than a couple of generations.

"The African Hebrew Israelites of Jerusalem are comprised of approximately 2,000 men, women and children residing in three development towns – – Dimona, Arad and Mitzpe Ramon – – in southern Israel. We maintain a vibrant culture which includes a communal lifestyle, a vegan diet, a system of preventive health care and high moral standards – – a holistic approach to life based on righteousness. Our intent is to live according to the laws and prophecies of God."

http://africanhebrewisraelitesofjerusalem.com/?page_id=2

Let me help you out. It's more than just 2000 men and women. lol. It's all the slaves from the transatlantic slave trade. Saying African Hebrew is akin to saying White Caucasians. Hebrews (the real bloodline ones) are black.  Anyway, back to the spiritual blindness think. It's true.

If you don't believe in the bible, you're screwed.  Even if you do you can still be screwed from all these "religions". So much has been done to hide things and keep people from knowing the truth. It's quite sad. Lil ol' Wiggs isn't going to undo all of this. lol. I can help and explain though to those interested. I don't engage with atheists in this regard because I can't physically prove to you God. The same way you can't prove to me no God. It's a waste of time.
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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #142 on: March 10, 2016, 03:46:36 PM »
The only thing "most high" is you, kid.  Get your CNA yet?    "Hebrew Israelite"...What a maroon.

I believe Wiggs is going to school to be a Registered Nurse. Not a Certified Nursing Assistant.
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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #143 on: March 10, 2016, 03:48:14 PM »
I know this because I'm not spiritually blind and I'm not spiritually blind because The Most High gave me eyes to see and ears to hear. 
It all starts with the Bible.  Not any specific religion but the Bible.  Religions come from the Bible. The Bible itself is not incorrect.

Lets keep in mind being a Hebrew Israelite has alot to do with it.  I'm not saying this to exalt myself, I'm saying this because for the last 4 years I've quoted bible verses, broke them down etc but no one wants to hear. Everyone wants to keep doing what they do and complain when they fail.

If you were spiritually blind.. would you know it? If not...

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #144 on: March 10, 2016, 03:50:40 PM »
If you were spiritually blind.. would you know it? If not...

No. You wouldn't know it unless someone told you and proved it, or you became not spiritually blind then you saw how spiritually blind you were. 
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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #145 on: March 10, 2016, 07:01:38 PM »
No. You wouldn't know it unless someone told you and proved it, or you became not spiritually blind then you saw how spiritually blind you were. 

You are stupid.  The proof is in your posts.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #146 on: March 10, 2016, 11:22:41 PM »
And you know this how? What makes you believe you are not also "spiritually blind"?

Wiggs has a very high opinion of himself, plenty of spiritual pride.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #147 on: March 11, 2016, 01:33:02 AM »
Wiggs has a very high opinion of himself, plenty of spiritual pride.
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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #148 on: March 11, 2016, 01:47:02 AM »
Like in the sky or on tv or anything? Like to say do this and don't do that, im happy with this, im not happy with that.

He doesn't.

Because hes not real.

Now grow up.

Wiggs is the closest thing we have to God appearing on earth. FACT!

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #149 on: March 11, 2016, 06:21:34 AM »
Wiggs is the closest thing we have to God appearing on earth. FACT!

Although being "atheist" and hating church etc. with a passion I would have no problem to attend church listening to Reverend Wiggs.
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