So why doesnt God appear every now and again?

[Man of Steel]

Human sacrifice was the only way to get through to people, he sent himself to absolve those of sins they committed based on the rules he set up knowing the future? WTF. it's OBVIOUSLY a lie, anyone who can't see how it's clear as day bullshit are delusional. How could anyone believe in such preposterous ideas?

God wants to change things and completely fucks the message up, unsure of how to reach everyone, he kills himself, not quite himself, not obviously himself   another brilliant move.

The only thing better was if he put made our genitals both a waste processing plant and reproductive organ! that makes perfect fucking sense!

Completely incorrect.

[bigmc]

if jesus has no capacity for sin or evil

then surely the evil deed of sending humans to hell for eternity

is something that would be abhorrent to him

the ultimate act of evil

perpetuated by the ultimate agent of good

if you cant see the idiocy of that concept then you are blind

answer this please mos

its the ultimate contradiction for your whole belief set

[Man of Steel]

answer this please mos

its the ultimate contradiction for your whole belief set

if jesus has no capacity for sin or evil

then surely the evil deed of sending humans to hell for eternity

is something that would be abhorrent to him

the ultimate act of evil

perpetuated by the ultimate agent of good

if you cant see the idiocy of that concept then you are blind

Sure thing.

Jesus does not sin.  He is without sin.  Correct.

Hell serves two distinct purposes.  It gives folks that reject and hate God an existence in which all of his divine attributes are removed.  If yon't want any part of God then you don't get God.  The second purpose served is justice for offenses committed against a righteous, eternal God.  The two purposes go hand in hand.  While on one hand you get exactly what you want in "no God" and on the other you'll also exist in the punishing reality of eternity in an existence without God and his attributes. 

Right now you're typing on your computer, you're breathing easily, you've probably eaten food you enjoy, the sun is shining or maybe a big beautiful thunderstorm happened (like it did here), might be planning on enjoying fun times with friends or just the opportunity to awaken again and go work hard and earn a living.  Maybe it just rained and there's that great smell after everything is washed clean and it's crisp and nice outside.  Maybe you just enjoyed a really good fart and then a donut.  Either way, every bit of that goodness you enjoy right now is a result of the goodness of God.  When you reject God you're rejecting all that he is and he will extract from your eternity all of it because you chose to reject and defy him.

What's abhorrent to God is sin.  When we break his law we engage in evil.  Jesus Christ is the ultimate example of goodness and he existed without sin.  He raises us up so that we may enter into goodness and righteousness with him.

I see just fine thanks.

[Kwon_2]

God is good. Or is it Lucifer? 

[bigmc]

so mos

lets take an example

a man spends his whole life doing good deeds helping others putting others first

however he is not a religious man

therefore is he doomed to an eternity in hell

surely his good deeds would earn him a rewards despite his lack of belief

 Either way, every bit of that goodness you enjoy right now is a result of the goodness of God. - you said

how about the man who enjoys killing and raping and sees that as good is that a result of the goodness of god

[Kwon_2]

how about the man who enjoys killing and raping and sees that as good is that a result of the goodness of god

The man who enjoys killing and raping is a Muslim.

[BigRo]

There is no eternal hell.

[Rascal full]

There is no eternal hell.

The thing is absolutely no one alive actually knows for sure. That's what makes this thread so fascinating and the question of the after life such a delicious one. We just don't know, some like MOS have faith and believe 100% what they believe and some are adamant that there is nothing, no after life whatsoever. We don't have the concrete evidence only what our feelings and intuition tell us.

[Man of Steel]

so mos

lets take an example

a man spends his whole life doing good deeds helping others putting others first

however he is not a religious man

therefore is he doomed to an eternity in hell

surely his good deeds would earn him a rewards despite his lack of belief

 Either way, every bit of that goodness you enjoy right now is a result of the goodness of God. - you said

how about the man who enjoys killing and raping and sees that as good is that a result of the goodness of god

Romans 3:11-12
11 There is none who understands,There is none who seeks for God;
12 All have turned aside, together they have become useless; There is none who does good, There is not even one.”

Every freedom we have on this earth is because God allows it.  Even the ability to engage in sin.  He doesn't force us to sin, but allows the potential for sin via our choice.  So even if a person finds pleasure in any sin on earth you can be certain they won't find any pleasure in an eternity in hell.

That's why I repeatedly state that men twist evil for good and good for evil.

Isaiah 5:20
20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil;
Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness;
Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

[Man of Steel]

The thing is absolutely no one alive actually knows for sure. That's what makes this thread so fascinating and the question of the after life such a delicious one. We just don't know, some like MOS have faith and believe 100% what they believe and some are adamant that there is nothing, no after life whatsoever. We don't have the concrete evidence only what our feelings and intuition tell us.

True, I don't know exactly what hell is or how it works in detail, but I know we're warned about it and I know it's the absence of God and it's eternal.  No greater hellfire preacher than Jesus Christ.

[Man of Steel]

This thread is 24 pages deep and nearing the end which means that at anytime now avxo could randomly enter this thread and begin his patented line by line dissection and request I go through the bulk of my posts all over again LOL. 

I won't be participating in that though...done it many, many times in the past.

[MoralMan]

Absence of God? But but but I thought God was everywhere?

[bigmc]

This thread is 24 pages deep and nearing the end which means that at anytime now avxo could randomly enter this thread and begin his patented line by line dissection and request I go through the bulk of my posts all over again LOL. 

I won't be participating in that though...done it many, many times in the past.

ultimately you are stating your beliefs as facts

difficult to argue against that

i admire your conviciont

but dismay at your lack of logic

i respect your right to your beliefs

i doubt you respect my doubt

peace 

[Man of Steel]

ultimately you are stating your beliefs as facts

difficult to argue against that

i admire your conviciont

but dismay at your lack of logic

i respect your right to your beliefs

i doubt you respect my doubt

peace 

Explain my lack of logic.

[BigRo]

The thing is absolutely no one alive actually knows for sure. That's what makes this thread so fascinating and the question of the after life such a delicious one. We just don't know, some like MOS have faith and believe 100% what they believe and some are adamant that there is nothing, no after life whatsoever. We don't have the concrete evidence only what our feelings and intuition tell us.

from an emperical materialist perspective you are correct. Maybe we should trust our feelings and intuitions more, or better yet develop the consciousness to such a degree that it can know.

[SF1900]

ultimately you are stating your beliefs as facts

difficult to argue against that

i admire your conviciont

but dismay at your lack of logic

i respect your right to your beliefs

i doubt you respect my doubt

peace 

There is no way to argue with someone like someone with MOS. He already has his mind made up. As you see, he never asks any questions of others, because in his mind, he has it all figured out. A very blind way to go through life.

[Man of Steel]

You didn't answer my questions.  You asked 6 new questions.

[SF1900]

lol at MOS being a big baby and responding to me without actually quoting me lol. Very mature behavior by a grown adult. 

[Dave D]

And this is exactly how religion poisons ones mind. MOS is totally okay with the death of children.

Again, if people reading this thread cannot see how religion has polluted his mind, then you are as blind as he is.

Yes, it is righteous and just to make a kid suffer with cancer for 2 years before dying. If a child is tortured and murdered, MOS is okay with this because its Gods will. Its righteous and just.

I swear, how can anyone not see that religion is not a morally just system. Geez, it pollutes your mind.

Come on bro, the judicial system is OK with the death of children, as long as it's the mothers choice while it's still in the womb.

Yet if a pregnant woman is murdered the murder  charge is doubled.

Peoples minds are poisoned.  I agree religion can be and is unhealthy for the vast majority of people but you guys are just as ridiculous as Mos thinking you're going to convert him.

Life is full of hardship and heartbreak. I get it if you think "God" owes you answers and explanations, but even if you got them I'm not sure you'd agree with the answers.

[Agnostic007]

There is no way to argue with someone like someone with MOS. He already has his mind made up. As you see, he never asks any questions of others, because in his mind, he has it all figured out. A very blind way to go through life.

MOS reminds me of interviewing a burglar suspect found inside a business with stolen phones in his backpack. The suspect spent a lot of time during the interview trying to rationalize how he was innocent and the facts were misinterpreted. Every time a contradiction was pointed out he would earnestly try to explain how it could be both ways. In spite of overwhelming evidence including CCTV images, he never backed off his story

[SF1900]

MOS reminds me of interviewing a burglar suspect found inside a business with stolen phones in his backpack. The suspect spent a lot of time during the interview trying to rationalize how he was innocent and the facts were misinterpreted. Every time a contradiction was pointed out he would earnestly try to explain how it could be both ways. In spite of overwhelming evidence including CCTV images, he never backed off his story

MOS has even said that if there was 100% indisputable evidence that God did not exist (hypothetically speaking), he would still believe. That is the definition of a closed mind. Blind faith.

[bigmc]

Explain my lack of logic.

you are claiming passages in a fictional book with no supporting evidence are facts

the words of god written by men ffs

that aint logic chuckles

[Henda]

Religion = absolute garbage not worth a second thought

[Dave D]

you are claiming passages in a fictional book with no supporting evidence are facts

the words of god written by men ffs

that aint logic chuckles

Who should have written the words, God?

Would that make it more believable?

Isn't the Bible a book of recorded history? Does this mean no history books are true?

The ten commandments were allegedly written by God, and those seem to be a point of contention too.

[Man of Steel]

you are claiming passages in a fictional book with no supporting evidence are facts

the words of god written by men ffs

that aint logic chuckles

LOL ok