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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #600 on: March 25, 2016, 09:01:06 AM »
being open minded is important

my biggest problem is this

everything good is put down to god

everything bad is put down to mans free will

basically its a win win for god

throws the ability to debate rationally under the bus

cause you can always fall back on the above argument

Yeah, those are very good points. As I said before I understand why people don't believe in a god let alone the Christian version.

The Christian concept is that God is just and righteous and when you view god from that perspective all the "issues" of good and evil fall into place. However for those who don't see it that way, and there's many, taking the god is good stance on blind faith seems foolish.

In life there's a lot of areas I disagree with "God". It doesn't matter though because what is is what is. I have to make peace with that.

People will ask how do I know that God is real or why do I believe, and I'll share my personal experiences, which is the best anyone can do. That said I realize insane people  really believe in their hallucinations, so again it's a toss up.

I'll stand by my original point that there's so much about the world, and I mean just this planet, that we don't know. When you consider how unknown space is it seems preposterous to say there's no God at all.


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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #601 on: March 25, 2016, 09:06:00 AM »
Yeah, those are very good points. As I said before I understand why people don't believe in a god let alone the Christian version.

The Christian concept is that God is just and righteous and when you view god from that perspective all the "issues" of good and evil fall into place. However for those who don't see it that way, and there's many, taking the god is good stance on blind faith seems foolish.

In life there's a lot of areas I disagree with "God". It doesn't matter though because what is is what is. I have to make peace with that.

People will ask how do I know that God is real or why do I believe, and I'll share my personal experiences, which is the best anyone can do. That said I realize insane people  really believe in their hallucinations, so again it's a toss up.

I'll stand by my original point that there's so much about the world, and I mean just this planet, that we don't know. When you consider how unknown space is it seems preposterous to say there's no God at all.



ok good answer

explain how you know god exists

i have seen to many bad things to thinks there is a supreme being looking out for us

bad people thrive good people dont

children die in their millions

we are basically a plague on the earth

if god was ever going to wipe humans out it would be now

but

he was appearing every five minutes before we started accurately recording history

interfering in everything

now the world has gone to shit and we are killing the planet

and the silence is deafening
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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #602 on: March 25, 2016, 09:28:04 AM »
ok good answer

explain how you know god exists

i have seen to many bad things to thinks there is a supreme being looking out for us

bad people thrive good people dont

children die in their millions

we are basically a plague on the earth

if god was ever going to wipe humans out it would be now

but

he was appearing every five minutes before we started accurately recording history

interfering in everything

now the world has gone to shit and we are killing the planet

and the silence is deafening

Listen I agree. If there was a time when God would be showing up it should be now.

I commented on the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and how the perversion was so bad there it was wiped out, or in the case of the flood the whole earth was so bad everyone was eliminated. Surely mankind is much worse today..... especially by the standards of that era.

However if you read the bible, outside of those two instances, God doesn't really do anything "spectacular" that causes all of mankind to follow Him. Yes there are accounts of miracles of His intervention, but there are many more  stories of people suffering and God allowing it to transpire.

 As far as me being able to explain how I know that God exists, I can only use my personal experiences (and for many those are debatable, as I used the comparison of insane people believing hallucinations )based on a relationship that i have with Him.

 The best I can offer is that it gives me peace to believe in something bigger than myself.


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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #603 on: March 25, 2016, 09:35:03 AM »
Listen I agree. If there was a time when God would be showing up it should be now.

I commented on the story of Sodom and Gomorrah and how the perversion was so bad there it was wiped out, or in the case of the flood the whole earth was so bad everyone was eliminated. Surely mankind is much worse today..... especially by the standards of that era.

However if you read the bible, outside of those two instances, God doesn't really do anything "spectacular" that causes all of mankind to follow Him. Yes there are accounts of miracles of His intervention, but there are many more  stories of people suffering and God allowing it to transpire.

 As far as me being able to explain how I know that God exists, I can only use my personal experiences (and for many those are debatable, as I used the comparison of insane people believing hallucinations )based on a relationship that i have with Him.

 The best I can offer is that it gives me peace to believe in something bigger than myself.



thats a very honest answer

i envy you the comfort your faith must bring you

i think you die then you are worm food

oh but i still sleep at night  :)
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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #604 on: March 25, 2016, 09:55:53 AM »
thats a very honest answer

i envy you the comfort your faith must bring you

i think you die then you are worm food

oh but i still sleep at night  :)

Lol you might be right!

That's the problem with the unknown. There are multiple documented  people who have claimed to experience life after death transitions but until you've done/lived it, you can't be 100% certain.

That's why I don't think those who believe in a flat earth are completely insane. I actually give them some credit for being outside of "box" and not accepting what the standard teachings are as complete truth, after all they've never been to space.

I've enjoyed the discussion and your ideas. Thanks

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #605 on: March 25, 2016, 11:53:40 AM »
You dont need to wait until death occurs to find out that you are the immortal eternal soul whose nature is perfect freedom and joy.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #606 on: March 25, 2016, 12:08:51 PM »
You dont need to wait until death occurs to find out that you are the immortal eternal soul whose nature is perfect freedom and joy.

Jesus fuck, man. Ease up on the acid.

Two things:

1) Why does something have to come from something? And if it does, and there IS a god (there isn't), where did he come from?

2) If something did create us, why does it have to be labelled a god and worshipped as such? Especially considering its obvious lack of interest to assist us.


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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #607 on: March 26, 2016, 03:54:26 AM »
You dont need to wait until death occurs to find out that you are the immortal eternal soul whose nature is perfect freedom and joy.

Why are we in these bodies, seems like a odd situation for an eternal soul who's nature is perfectly free? we are patently not free, if a soul exists(no such thing does) it's trapped in this body for some odd reason.

If we have souls how do you explain multiple personalities? schizophrenics? bipolars?

Define Soul for me.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #608 on: March 26, 2016, 04:24:28 AM »



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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #609 on: March 26, 2016, 04:49:16 AM »
I want some of what you're having BigRo. Lovely ideas and interesting stuff.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #610 on: March 26, 2016, 06:05:34 AM »
The reason they are listed as class A is because of the threat they create to the established consensus reality.

It is illogical. However some people have gone insane, those who approach it without care and reverence and who have a very troubled mind are likely to flip out.

Never tried DMT, quite a short experience without much of a bridge between the realms, though very profound I hear. Psilocybin is molecularly very similar.



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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #611 on: March 26, 2016, 09:04:11 AM »
According to the bible god is allowing satan to cause havoc on earth for certain period of time until jesus comes back on earth once again to beat satan and claim his rightful thrown.

Ok so satan is behind the death of jews... why would god still allow satan to kill jews if god is all capable?

The time we are living right now is to show in inarguably that man cannot rule himself and that only God has the right to rule(Jeremiah 10:23). It is to show that even under the worst conditions brought about by the devil, who has the whole world in his control at this time (1 John 5:19), many of us will not turn our backs and stop recognizing and worshipping God. He has the power to resurrect all who have perished (John 5:28) and not to call the former things to mind in those that are resurrected (Isaiah 65:17). Nothing that happens now is permanent and though many of the things that happen are truly horrific they are not caused by God (James 1:13) and he will step in and destroy the devil and his followers and the universe will be void of all wickedness to time indefinite(Revelation 12:12). "You will look to the place where the wicked were and they will not be there." (Psalm 37:10) Death and pain and mourning will be done away with and righteous mankind will live forever in Paradise. (Revelation 21:3,4 and Psalm 37:29)

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #612 on: March 26, 2016, 09:15:34 AM »
we are spirits on a human experience.....



not humans on a spiritual experience....

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #613 on: March 26, 2016, 09:17:02 AM »
Why are we in these bodies, seems like a odd situation for an eternal soul who's nature is perfectly free? we are patently not free, if a soul exists(no such thing does) it's trapped in this body for some odd reason.

If we have souls how do you explain multiple personalities? schizophrenics? bipolars?

Define Soul for me.
Could it be that the "soul" picked said body? Said soul was looking through the Akashic records and was like "hmmm, this looks like fun, I'll take this body for a spin."

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #614 on: March 26, 2016, 09:24:02 AM »
Could it be that the "soul" picked said body? Said soul was looking through the Akashic records and was like "hmmm, this looks like fun, I'll take this body for a spin."

Soul—A Living Creature. As stated, man “came to be a living soul”; hence man was a soul, he did not have a soul as something immaterial, invisible, and intangible residing inside him. The apostle Paul shows that the Christian teaching did not differ from the earlier Hebrew teaching, for he quotes Genesis 2:7 in saying: “It is even so written: ‘The first man Adam became a living soul [psy·khenʹ zoʹsan].’ . . . The first man is out of the earth and made of dust.”—1Co 15:45-47.The Genesis account shows that a living soul results from the combination of the earthly body with the breath of life. The expression “breath of the force of life [literally, breath of the spirit, or active force (ruʹach), of life]” (Ge 7:22) indicates that it is by breathing air (with its oxygen) that the life-force, or “spirit,” in all creatures, man and animals, is sustained. This life-force is found in every cell of the creature’s body, as is discussed under LIFE; SPIRIT.Since the term neʹphesh refers to the creature itself, we should expect to find the normal physical functions or characteristics of fleshly creatures attributed to it. This is exactly the case. Neʹphesh (soul) is spoken of as eating flesh, fat, blood, or similar material things (Le 7:18, 20, 25, 27; 17:10, 12, 15; De 23:24); being hungry for or craving food and drink (De 12:15, 20, 21; Ps 107:9; Pr 19:15; 27:7; Isa 29:8; 32:6; Mic 7:1); being made fat (Pr 11:25); fasting (Ps 35:13); touching unclean things, such as a dead body (Le 5:2; 7:21; 17:15; 22:6; Nu 19:13); being ‘seized as a pledge’ or being ‘kidnapped’ (De 24:6, 7); doing work (Le 23:30); being refreshed by cold water when tired (Pr 25:25); being purchased (Le 22:11; Eze 27:13); being given as a vow offering (Le 27:2); being put in irons (Ps 105:18); being sleepless (Ps 119:28); and struggling for breath (Jer 15:9).It may be noted that in many texts reference is madeto “my soul,” “his [or her] soul,” “your soul,” and so forth. This is because neʹphesh and psy·kheʹ can mean one’s own self as a soul. The sense of the term can therefore often be expressed in English by use of personal pronouns. Thus Lexicon in Veteris Testamenti Libros (p. 627) shows that “my neʹphesh” means “I” (Ge 27:4, 25; Isa 1:14); “your [singular] neʹphesh” means “thou” or “you” (Ge 27:19, 31; Isa 43:4; 51:23); “his neʹphesh” means “he, himself” (Nu 30:2; Isa 53:10); “her neʹphesh” means “she, herself” (Nu 30:5-12), and so forth.The Greek term psy·kheʹ is used similarly. Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words (1981, Vol. 4, p. 54) says it may be used as “the equivalent of the personal pronoun, used for emphasis and effect:—1st person, John 10:24 (‘us’); Heb. 10:38; cp. [compare] Gen. 12:13; Num. 23:10; Jud. 16:30; Ps. 120:2 (‘me’); 2nd person, 2 Cor. 12:15; Heb. 13:17,” and so forth.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #615 on: March 26, 2016, 02:49:18 PM »
If Jesus showed up and said "That's not what my dad meant", people would kill him again. :)

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #616 on: March 26, 2016, 03:20:34 PM »
If Jesus showed up and said "That's not what my dad meant", people would kill him again. :)
No, they would have him committed to a hospital---like they do with almost everybody else that claims that they are Jesus.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #617 on: March 26, 2016, 03:57:42 PM »
No, they would have him committed to a hospital---like they do with almost everybody else that claims that they are Jesus.

Throw in a few miracles and we'd get the same result, LOL!

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #618 on: March 27, 2016, 08:20:09 AM »




I love Alan Watts, but you are really missing his message if you think he had the answers, no one does, he is guessing, surmising,  we could be a simulation.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #619 on: March 27, 2016, 10:19:09 AM »
Glad you like Watts and I know people like you do not like statements made with certitude, I am not going to try and convince you of what I said above, it is a product of my experiences. If one wants to find out if it is true or false they have to dive deep in to the ocean of their inner being which takes years of dedicated meditation.


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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #620 on: March 27, 2016, 03:16:14 PM »
I'm fascinated by DMT, but I haven't got the stones to take something like that. I just know that I'd end up paralysed and trapped in some sort of permanent, psychotic nightmare.

Then liberation is on the other side, you need to face the fear head on, after is the reward, the release.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #621 on: March 27, 2016, 05:07:48 PM »
It's never been something that would interest me in terms of taking stuff recreationally, but after watching a few documentaries specifically on DMT, i do think it could be worthwhile trying once just to potentially understand more about consciousness. It looks like all these near-death experience stories can be explained by the release of DMT as the brain shuts down and prepares to die; I don't believe that consciousness can exist after the brain dies, but I'm uneducated on the subject and it's fascinating to hear from Doctors and other highly educated individuals in this field who have tried DMT and then entertained the idea of consciousness as a "non-local phenomenon".
Good post :)

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #622 on: March 27, 2016, 10:02:36 PM »
It's never been something that would interest me in terms of taking stuff recreationally, but after watching a few documentaries specifically on DMT, i do think it could be worthwhile trying once just to potentially understand more about consciousness. It looks like all these near-death experience stories can be explained by the release of DMT as the brain shuts down and prepares to die; I don't believe that consciousness can exist after the brain dies, but I'm uneducated on the subject and it's fascinating to hear from Doctors and other highly educated individuals in this field who have tried DMT and then entertained the idea of consciousness as a "non-local phenomenon".

Putting all your eggs on one basket ie one attempt with DMT is bound to leave you disappointed. It can take a while for someone to build a good relationship with it. I still think starting out with low dose magic mushrooms is the way to go. The thoughts and feelings one is having at the moment before immersing in the DMT realm have a profound influence on the experience. If your freaking out that's not going to help you understand your consciousness.

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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
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Re: So why doesnt God appear every now and again?
« Reply #624 on: March 28, 2016, 02:02:34 AM »
Good points, Ro. I think you're right and that video finalises things for me. After realising it's a Class A drug, i wouldn't do it (or mushrooms) anyway, and given that it appears there are a lot of myths surrounding it, i think i'll just stick to reading/watching consciousness debates!

DMT is one of, if not, the most amazing thing you can experience in your short time on this planet. Don't let it pass you by!

There really is no prepping for its intensity. Don't worry about freaking out, it knocks you straight on your ass, you leave your body.