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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #125 on: April 20, 2016, 02:19:13 PM »






Something doesn't add up right with the 9-11 'official story' far to many question remain unanswered.
This is a interesting video - so many different TV station appear to capture the same things.

Quilt of video is not great - Though it does look like some thing is added to the underside of that plane.
Maybe someone with knowledge of these planes can explain.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #126 on: April 20, 2016, 02:22:17 PM »
They've talked to numerous pilots, and not even an experienced pilot can fly a plane that low to the ground... It's impossible.. It was a missile.  It penetrated into the inner rings of the pentagon, the impact of a plane would not do this.. As far as explosions... Plenty of evidence.. They interviewed numerous firefighters that heard explosions, and said the towers fell just like a controlled demolition.  Those interviews conveniently disappeared.  That day 3 steel framed buildings collapsed into there own footprints..  First time in history... And all on the same day.   Those towers were designed to take multiple impacts from a 747 and stay standing, they also were designed where if impact occurred only a section of the building would collapse... Not the whole building into its own footprint... Pulverized concrete caused and enormous amount of dust... What pulverizes concrete?? Explosives... Jets routinely intercept off course planes.... That day they must have forgotten how to... The official story is pathetic... The rubble was quickly shipped off to China... Why?  To destroy evidence... Puddles of molten steel below the rubble that stayed hot for days and days... Why?  Thermite.  Official story is such a joke... Most everyone outside this country knows our government was directly involved.. More than 50% of Americans now believe our government was as well.

Some pilots say it's possible to do, and others say it could happen as dumb luck.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #127 on: April 20, 2016, 02:22:57 PM »
Without more frames to look at, and without enhancement of the shadowed area, and assuming the perspective/proportion checks out, I'm willing to call it a plane.

But I didn't know it was out there so thanks for bringing it up.  It's really interesting.

given numerous other things that seem to contradict it being a plane I'm not willing to call it a plane


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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #128 on: April 20, 2016, 02:25:24 PM »
They've talked to numerous pilots, and not even an experienced pilot can fly a plane that low to the ground... It's impossible.. It was a missile.  It penetrated into the inner rings of the pentagon, the impact of a plane would not do this.. As far as explosions... Plenty of evidence.. They interviewed numerous firefighters that heard explosions, and said the towers fell just like a controlled demolition.  Those interviews conveniently disappeared.  That day 3 steel framed buildings collapsed into there own footprints..  First time in history... And all on the same day.   Those towers were designed to take multiple impacts from a 747 and stay standing, they also were designed where if impact occurred only a section of the building would collapse... Not the whole building into its own footprint... Pulverized concrete caused and enormous amount of dust... What pulverizes concrete?? Explosives... Jets routinely intercept off course planes.... That day they must have forgotten how to... The official story is pathetic... The rubble was quickly shipped off to China... Why?  To destroy evidence... Puddles of molten steel below the rubble that stayed hot for days and days... Why?  Thermite.  Official story is such a joke... Most everyone outside this country knows our government was directly involved.. More than 50% of Americans now believe our government was as well.

This is all the radar communication that day. What happened with the fighter jets alone is vexing to say the least.

Long but fascinating to see it all unfold.



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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #129 on: April 20, 2016, 02:26:15 PM »




Something doesn't add up right with the 9-11 'official story' far to many question remain unanswered.
This is a interesting video - so many different TV station appear to capture the same things.

Quilt of video is not great - Though it does look like some thing is added to the underside of that plane.
Maybe someone with knowledge of these planes can explain.
Why do we see flames when the front of the plane hits yet there is nothing explosive up front. All of the fuel is within the wings and turbines.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #130 on: April 20, 2016, 03:05:22 PM »
given numerous other things that seem to contradict it being a plane I'm not willing to call it a plane



What are some of the things?

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #131 on: April 20, 2016, 03:49:19 PM »
Pentagon is 77'

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #132 on: April 20, 2016, 03:58:54 PM »
Boeing 757-223 is 44'-6" (at tail, though)

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #133 on: April 20, 2016, 04:16:17 PM »
As I say, the whole debacle reeks of seriously shady business.

That fool Ropo must be a salaried employee of some sinister arm of the government or something to spout at length, and continually, what he does.

Doesn't take an exceptional intellect to modestly explore available information and conclude the entire 9-11 tragedy doesn't add up in the way it's told to us, "officially".


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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #134 on: April 20, 2016, 04:48:43 PM »
As I say, the whole debacle reeks of seriously shady business.

That fool Ropo must be a salaried employee of some sinister arm of the government or something to spout at length, and continually, what he does.

Doesn't take an exceptional intellect to modestly explore available information and conclude the entire 9-11 tragedy doesn't add up in the way it's told to us, "officially".



I think he's a Lebron James fan.  Maybe ex military.  A lot of guys who served after 9/11 because of 9/11 don't want to admit it was all a con. 

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #135 on: April 20, 2016, 05:47:16 PM »
So are you guys saying the someone in the US gov had those buildings wired with explosives?
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #136 on: April 20, 2016, 06:30:22 PM »
So are you guys saying the someone in the US gov had those buildings wired with explosives?
Nope.  Only two branches could pull this off. CIA or military.   Look up solider accidental deaths right after to see who they shut up.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #137 on: April 20, 2016, 06:47:30 PM »
They've talked to numerous pilots, and not even an experienced pilot can fly a plane that low to the ground... It's impossible.. It was a missile.  It penetrated into the inner rings of the pentagon, the impact of a plane would not do this.. As far as explosions... Plenty of evidence.. They interviewed numerous firefighters that heard explosions, and said the towers fell just like a controlled demolition.  Those interviews conveniently disappeared.  That day 3 steel framed buildings collapsed into there own footprints..  First time in history... And all on the same day.   Those towers were designed to take multiple impacts from a 747 and stay standing, they also were designed where if impact occurred only a section of the building would collapse... Not the whole building into its own footprint... Pulverized concrete caused and enormous amount of dust... What pulverizes concrete?? Explosives... Jets routinely intercept off course planes.... That day they must have forgotten how to... The official story is pathetic... The rubble was quickly shipped off to China... Why?  To destroy evidence... Puddles of molten steel below the rubble that stayed hot for days and days... Why?  Thermite.  Official story is such a joke... Most everyone outside this country knows our government was directly involved.. More than 50% of Americans now believe our government was as well.

There's still videos of firefighters saying they heard explosions. The one I'm referring to talked about a bomb going off in the lobby of the first tower, as all the windows were blown out of the lobby. They also talk about seeing molten steel flowing on the ground.

I'm willing to concede that in the heat of the moment people may have been confused with what they saw/remember/experienced and what actually happened.

Ropo presented great facts; however one thing that I found interesting was said that rocket fuel burns to a heat of 700 degrees  and that could burn at that temp forever and  never melt steel.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #138 on: April 20, 2016, 06:49:09 PM »


2:40 lobby blown up

3:16 explosion in the basement

11:15 pentagon

12:20 1st tower collapse and then firefighters describe it as a detonation

13:40 more firefighter accounts of multiple explosions

15:06 Larry Silverstein claims that he had talked with fire marshall to have 3rd building "pulled" or collapsed. Dan Rather says well placed dynamite was placed to cause this collapse.

 16:00 demolition experts are interviewed

16:40 Jet fuel burns at 700 degrees and that heat would never weaken steel....

17:00 fires under ground and the flowing molten steel

Interesting video, and as I said people's memories aren't always accurate in times of crisis/disaster but still a good watch.



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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #139 on: April 20, 2016, 06:50:48 PM »
Witnessed Event: U.S. Response to September 11, 2001

On September 11, 2001, David Wherley Jr. was the commander in charge of the 113th Fighter Wing at Andrews Air Force base, in Maryland. After the attack on New York City he took orders from the Secret Service to dispatch a fleet of aircraft to protect the White House and the Capitol. Wherley was an important 9/11 witness. He played a role in ordering the tactics used by the U.S. government in response to the terrorist activity. Wherley was mentioned on multiple occasions in the 9/11 Commission report. He later acted as the commanding general of the District of Columbia National Guard, from 2003 to 2008.
On June 22, 2009, David Wherley and his wife Ann boarded a Red Line Washington Metro train (#214) in Northeast Washington, D.C. While waiting for their train to leave Fort Totten station, it was struck by an oncoming Red Line train. The Wherley’s train was rear-ended at a high speed. Nine people were killed in the accident, including David Wherley and his wife. It was the deadliest crash in the history of the Washington Metro. Several survivors were trapped in the rubble for hours, and approximately 80 people were injured.

A preliminary investigation found that the accident occurred when the replacement of a track circuit component failed, which prevented certain signals from being reported. Survivors described the crash as like “hitting a concrete wall.” According to Daniel Kaniewski, a former Bush administration homeland security official, the overall emergency response to the event was “calm and ordered.” He indicated that the U.S. response “during extraordinary incidents has significantly improved” since September 11, 2001.

Witnessed Event: American Airlines Flight 77

Barbara Olson was a lawyer, author and conservative American television commentator. In 1994, she joined the United States House of Representatives, becoming chief investigative counsel for the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee. In that position, Olson led a number of different investigations into the Clinton administration. She exposed the White House travel office scandal and the FBI files controversy. Olson published a collection of books that examine the history of Hillary Clinton and the actions of Bill Clinton in the final days of his presidency. Some of her accusations include unlawful pardons by Bill Clinton, the looting of the White House and executive orders that were sheer abuses of presidential power. On January 20, 2001, Bill Clinton pardoned 140 people in the final hours of his presidency.

On September 11, 2001, Flight 77 was hijacked at 8:54. Between 9:16 and 9:26, Olson called her husband. According to him, she reported that the flight had been hijacked, and that the hijackers had knives and box-cutters. A minute into the conversation, the call was cut off. Shortly after, Barbara reached her husband again. Ted Olson asked for her location and she replied that the plane was flying over houses. Ted informed Barbara of the two previous hijackings and crashes. She didn’t display signs of panic over the phone. American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the western side of the Pentagon at 09:37 EDT. All 64 people on board were killed, including Barbara Olson. Following her death, Politically Incorrect host, Bill Maher, left a panel seat vacant for a week.

The two phone calls Barbara Olson made from Flight 77 are an important factor to the accepted story of 9/11. They provide evidence that American 77 had been aloft after it had disappeared from FAA radar around 9:00 AM. The calls are also the only source of the widely accepted idea that the hijackers had box cutters. The story has been scrutinized by a collection of researchers, who have accused Ted Olson of changing his account. He originally indicated that Barbara used a cell phone to call him, but later said she called using an airline phone. The technology to enable cell phone calls from high-altitude flights wasn’t developed until 2004.

Witnessed Event: U.S. Naval Intelligence Gathering

After graduating from high school, William Cooper joined the U.S. Air Force and later the U.S. Navy. He served in the Vietnam War and then worked for Naval Security and Intelligence. Cooper gained notoriety after publishing a book titled Behold a Pale Horse. The text documents various UFO and paranormal activities he encountered while serving for Naval Intelligence. It examines government corruption, secret societies, and a collection of conspiracy theories. In the 1990s, William Cooper became a popular speaker on the UFO lecture circuit. He was the host of a worldwide shortwave radio show named Hour of the Time.

In June 2001, three months before 9/11, William Cooper warned publicly about an important terrorist attack on United States, that would be blamed on Osama Bin Laden. During his June 28 broadcast, William Cooper said “I’m telling you be prepared for a major attack. But it won’t be Osama Bin Laden. It will be those behind the New World Order.” On 9/11 Cooper said “what we’re witnessing today is most probably the herald of the, at least, the redefinition of freedom, and probably its death.”

William Cooper was charged with various crimes in his lifetime, including tax evasion from 1992 to 1994, and bank fraud for giving false information on a loan application. In July and September 2001, Cooper was accused of brandishing a handgun near his home in Eagar, Arizona. On November 6, 2001, two months after September 11, William Cooper was fatally shot by a large collection of Arizona deputies who were attempting to serve him an arrest warrant. According to police accounts, Cooper, who was physically disabled, fled officers and pulled out a weapon. A gun fight ensued and William Cooper was killed. A deputy was critically injured in the incident.

Witnessed Event: Collapse of the Twin Towers

Kenny Johannemann worked as a part-time janitor in the World Trade Center when it was attacked and destroyed on September 11, 2001. He was in the North Tower waiting for an elevator when the first explosion occurred. The blast created a fireball that engulfed the elevator shaft. Johannemann responded by saving the life of a man that was badly burned in the event. He was in a similar position as William Rodriguez, who was also a janitor in the WTC North Tower, and who became internationally recognized for his heroic efforts on September 11. Rodriguez was the last person to leave the collapsing North Tower alive.
Following the events of September 11, 2001, Kenneth Johannemann and William Rodriguez provided a detailed account of their experience. One aspect of their stories is similar, but contradicts the official report presented by the 9/11 commission. Both men reported that they heard loud explosions in the basement of the North Tower immediately before and after the plane impacted. Kenneth Johannemann was adamant about the fact that he heard explosions not associated with the crash. William Rodriguez also claimed to have heard a massive rumble in the basement of the North Tower, seconds before the plane hit.

On August 31, 2008, Kenneth Johannemann committed suicide by way of a gunshot wound to the head. Mr Johannemann’s suicide note stated that he was depressed after being evicted from his residence. The testimony given by Kenneth Johannemann and William Rodriguez are identical in the fact that they describe large explosions in the WTC towers. Before his death, Johannemann regularly told his story to public crowds. His death was a surprise to everyone and instantly raised suspicion amongst 9/11 researchers.

Witnessed Event: Collapse of the Twin Towers

On the morning of September 11, 2001, Barry Jennings, who was a housing authority official in New York City, was near the World Trade Center Towers when they were attacked. Following the incident Barry reported to the city’s command center, which was located on the 23rd floor of the 7 World Trade Center structure. After reaching the office, Jennings and a man named Michael Hess realized that the room was completely empty. In an interview taped for the Loose Change film series, Jennings discussed the moment. “There was steaming coffee and sandwiches on the tables. It seemed that the room had recently been vacated.”

After getting word to evacuate, Jennings and Hess started to move down the staircase of 7 WTC. When the pair reached the 6th floor they were hit by a large explosion. The stairs underneath the men gave way and they were forced to climb over rubble to reach the 8th floor. While on the 8th floor Barry Jennings reported the sound of multiple loud explosions from below. Jennings and Hess were eventually saved by a collection of New York City firefighters and taken to an area called the “lobby.” The area was completely obliterated. While traveling through the lobby, Barry Jennings commented on dead bodies.
“And the firefighter who took us down kept saying, “Do not look down.” I kept saying, “Why?” We were stepping over people. And you know when you can feel when you are stepping over people.”

At 5:21 on the evening of September 11, 2001, the 7 World Trade Center building suffered a complete failure. The official cause of the collapse was due to damage sustained when the nearby North Tower of the WTC collapsed. The debris ignited fires, which continued to burn throughout the afternoon. The building’s internal fire suppression system lacked water pressure to fight the fires, and the building collapsed. The destruction of 7 WTC is a controversial subject among conspiracy theorists. Along with the Twin Towers, 7 WTC was the first steel building to experience a complete failure due to fire. The structure didn’t crumble as you might expect from fire damage. Instead it fell in an absolute free-fall (about 8 seconds).

Barry Jennings finished his interview for Loose Change by saying “I’m just confused about one thing, why World Trade Center 7 went down in the first place – I’m very confused about that – I know what I heard, I heard explosions.” Barry Jennings challenged the official 9/11 report. He said that while in the building he heard multiple explosions and witnessed damage not caused by fire. For this reason, many people found the testimony of Jennings contradictory to the official story of what happened on 9/11. Barry Jennings died on August 19, 2008, from an unknown cause. He passed away only a couple days before a report was to be released by the National Institute of Standards and Technology’s (NIST) on the collapse of 7 WTC.
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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #140 on: April 20, 2016, 07:05:00 PM »
Thousands of gallons of fuel in the presence of elevator shafts will make very large pipe bombs, in a sense.  I don't have any problem calling that the likely source of the explosions.

Doesn't make a difference, anyway, especially with the Saudis being in the mix.  That's unlimited $$$  So what could it prove (explosions etc)?

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #141 on: April 20, 2016, 07:07:29 PM »
Anyone know how long the WTC was under wraps after the 93 bombing?  What was the repair process like etc?

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #142 on: April 20, 2016, 07:17:29 PM »
That third WTC building that collapsed ... LOL.

If that total nonsense isn't enough to make you realize 9/11 wasn't what "they" said it was, I'm afraid you're what is referred to as a retard.

And there is footage clearly showing demolition-style mini explosions running down the towers' length consistent with what experts describe to achieve a sophisticated takedown.

A steel building doesn't get smashed by a plane at any point in its vertical structure and then plummet/implode into its base like those three in NY did. It's beyond ludicrous.

The whole deal stinks to high hell.

Everyone with an ounce of intellect and information knows it, too.

All those lives lost ... Such horrors experienced ...

The corruption and evil is unimaginable.


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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #143 on: April 20, 2016, 08:15:34 PM »
It's speculated that WTC 7 was the command center for the whole event that day, that's why it was brought down.   Watch some of the videos shown on TV that day.  They're bullshit, period.  If anyone wants a good read on what happened check out The New Pearl Harbor, by David Ray Griffin, and The New Pearl Harbor Revisited, also by David Ray Griffin.  All the facts are laid out, interviews with military pilots, etc.  This was absolutely an inside job.  Just research with an open mind and read all the facts.  I wanted to believe our government would never be so corrupt and evil, but they are.  Look up Operation Northwoods as well if you think our government would never try something like this.  They tried to pull the same shit in the Kennedy administration, but he wouldn't sign off on it.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #144 on: April 20, 2016, 08:40:48 PM »
Witnesses saw an airplane fly into the pentagon.

Also, passengers on the plane that flew into the pentagon died.


Correction: Many witnesses saw a decoy plane fly over the Pentagon. They have convinced themselves this plane flew into the Pentagon.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #145 on: April 20, 2016, 08:43:43 PM »
Terrorist.
Call me navie. But America won't kill Americans just to go to war. No end game.
HAHA! Ok, have you been paying attention to how the global elite is replacing Americans (whites) and Europeans? Nations mean nothing to them.

Globalists will kill Americans to go to war. I hope you wake up one day.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #146 on: April 20, 2016, 08:47:53 PM »
You have to understand that anything what foil hats see first time is called "rare footage" even if it has being around for decades for the normal people. Their biggest problem is that they are fishing their things from the foil hat pool of shit, and that doesn't include any of the facts which has being a common knowledge for years ;D
Ropo - you're the biggest foil hatter of them all. You believe that 19 cave dwellers were able to pull this off.

LMAO!! Ropo is a CT'er.


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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #147 on: April 20, 2016, 08:52:09 PM »
The same people who say that it was a huge, elaborate conspiracy by the US govt. are the same people who complain about the US govt. being completely incompetent.

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I think most people believe the US govt. is corrupt. Not sure where this incompetent argument comes from and I hear it often.

Corrupt does not equal incompetent.

And are you really trying to convince us that 19 middle eastern cave dwellers are more competent? After the US bombed the fuck out of them and destroyed a few countries? LMAO! What a fucking joke. That argument should be retired immediately. Yes, they were competent enough to pull it off. Just as Hitler was competent enough to fight a World War for 5 years against USA, Britain, Russia, France etc.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #148 on: April 20, 2016, 09:31:37 PM »
Pentagon and WTC7 is all that is needed to bust open this 911 myth.

Where's the plane? Video show clearly it was a missile:



This is what it should have looked like. The plane would have been visible, even in 1 frame.



Various Pentagon witnesses saw a plane fly over them in a different location from the claimed flight path. What they saw was a decoy plane. It flew over the Pentagon at the same time that a missile hit the building. This also explains the lack of damage to the lawn and foundations. The plane would have decimated both.






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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #149 on: April 20, 2016, 09:46:34 PM »
Without more frames to look at, and without enhancement of the shadowed area, and assuming the perspective/proportion checks out, I'm willing to call it a plane.

But I didn't know it was out there so thanks for bringing it up.  It's really interesting.
The video does not lie. No plane is visible. Smoke and a fireball is visible. So why is the plane not visible? You are looking at a missile. If you think that is a plane you might as well believe in fairies.