rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?

[Las Vegas]

NO WE NEED THE TRUTH!!

We demand answers that we can prove our conspiracies! The government had 8 presidents before Washington!

I will not rest until this crime is solved and the real criminals are tried before a jury of their peers.

I mean the explosion part at the WTC.  What could it show, even if there were a way to "prove" explosions happened from something other than fuel-spray igniting in the elevator shafts?

[El Diablo Blanco]

The only way to know is to fly a plane into the Sears tower and see what happens. Make it happen Wiggs.

[Dave D]

I mean the explosion part at the WTC.  What could it show, even if there were a way to "prove" explosions happened from something other than fuel-spray igniting in the elevator shafts?

I'm just busting balls bro.

There's many great points being brought up,  from chaos asking who could have set the explosives without being noticed, to the video evidence that no plane is seen hitting the Pentagon, only an explosion.

All that said my thought is that there was more involved than the simple plane crashes into the building, at one point leaders admitted to bringing down the third building  but then claimed to have the wrong info.

All things considered it's a great and interesting discussion.

[Las Vegas]

I'm just busting balls bro.

There's many great points being brought up,  from chaos asking who could have set the explosives without being noticed, to the video evidence that no plane is seen hitting the Pentagon, only an explosion.

All that said my thought is that there was more involved than the simple plane crashes into the building, at one point leaders admitted to bringing down the third building  but then claimed to have the wrong info.

All things considered it's a great and interesting discussion.

I didn't know about this one.

[Las Vegas]

But yeah, you can imagine fuel falling down the elevator shafts into millions of tiny droplets and what even a tiny spark would cause.

[MP]

Key words from the girl: "These terrorists"

I never forget my first thoughts also on that morning when watching it live. "We need to close the borders."

Hopefully Trump wins and we start taking action instead of sitting around like idiots.

[Las Vegas]

interesting videos and accounts here. I get that it's believed the US government was behind this or atleast let it happen, my question is why?

Take a look at what's been done to all the innocent citizens as a result of it, and there's your answer. 

How else could it have been done, if not for that?

[Las Vegas]

It's like this.  If you felt you were in competition with someone else -- and your livelihood, comfort, etc. were at stake due to that person working against you: would you like the opportunity to examine all communications involving that person, while simultaneously blacking-out all information he could get on you?  

That is exactly what has happened since 9/11 between the government and ourselves, precisely due to 9/11.

[chaos]

Another video, explaining the idiocy of the infrastructural failure myth. Chaos are you saying and believe that 15 floors in the World Trade Center, our tallest skyscraper, pancaked the rest of the 95 floors, all it's way down into it's own footprint disintegrating concrete into dust and sending steel beens 600 foot to the sides in just 12 seconds due to fuel and office fire?

I do believe somebody did rig those buildings with explosives (building 7 as well); as to who? I don't and most likely will never know, but I bet you Mosad may have a hand into all of this.

I'm questioning the magnitude of what you're claiming. From what little I've read, it was take an entire crew, weeks/months of planning and planting explosives in each tower, undetected by anyone....really?

[El Diablo Blanco]

The shadiest part of this all is how Cheney wouldn't let Bush testify unless he was present.  Then they enacted a presidential order to forever seal the documents.  Seems shady for people who didn't know it was supposed to happen. What the fuck are they hiding?  

[Las Vegas]

The sharpest part of this all is how Cheney wouldn't let Bush testify unless he was present.  Then they enacted a presidential order to forever seal the documents.  Seems shady for people who didn't know it was supposed to happen. What the fuck are they hiding? 

They refused to be under oath and they refused to have any official recording made whatsoever.

[Las Vegas]

Another thing that must have some importance to it, are Donald Rumsfeld's comments describing the crash scene to say it didn't look like a plane hit.  He said something very similar to that, but will look later for exactly what it was.

He was careful when he said it, and it didn't look like a slip at all.  So he had or felt he had some reason to say it, maybe thinking ahead to something he expected to occur.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Another thing that must have some importance to it, are Donald Rumsfeld's comments describing the crash scene to say it didn't look like a plane hit.  He said something very similar to that, but will look later for exactly what it was.

He was careful when he said it, and it didn't look like a slip at all.  So he had or felt he had some reason to say it, maybe thinking ahead to something he expected to occur.

This explains everything about Rumsfeld.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

[Dave D]

2:40 lobby blown up

3:16 explosion in the basement

11:15 pentagon

12:20 1st tower collapse and then firefighters describe it as a detonation

13:40 more firefighter accounts of multiple explosions

15:06 Larry Silverstein claims that he had talked with fire marshall to have 3rd building "pulled" or collapsed. Dan Rather says well placed dynamite was placed to cause this collapse.

 16:00 demolition experts are interviewed

16:40 Jet fuel burns at 700 degrees and that heat would never weaken steel....

17:00 fires under ground and the flowing molten steel

Interesting video, and as I said people's memories aren't always accurate in times of crisis/disaster but still a good watch.

I didn't know about this one.

Click the video link and scroll to the 15:06 mark. I'll see if I can find a link where he reversed his stance.

[Las Vegas]

Here's one of the quotes:

(I) went downstairs and outside and there on the apron outside the Pentagon were the-- were just thousands of pieces of metal. Small pieces. Not big chunks of an airplane.

[Las Vegas]

Click the video link and scroll to the 15:06 mark. I'll see if I can find a link where he reversed his stance.

Yeah, I knew about Silverstein.  He's not a firefighter, so I could see him saying that without it being something necessarily sinister.

Btw, Peter Jennings (like Dan Rather) said something about it on-air, too, before he was cut off by his correspondent from the streets of NY.  He said something like "anyone who has seen a building come down on purpose, knows you must get to the under infrastructure..."

[Ropo]

Steel framed buildings do NOT collapse because of fire.  Plenty examples of this.



You're spending a awful lot of time trying to debunk people here and you're not making any progress at all.  Is someone paying you to spew false government propaganda?  All you're doing here is stating your own personal opinions, which mean nothing. 

Which one of those was hit by the 375 000 lb passenger jet? This foil hat way of compare totally different things to each other is quite funny, but do it prove anything else than your desperate need to believe that bullshit? I mean how fucking stupid man has to be to try something like that? If you take some of the variables out from the equation, outcome can't be same. Even the stupidest blithering idiot knows that, but you don't? What that proves you are? Lamb, repeating the foil hat hymn of complete idiotism.

Do you not believe your own eyes?...

And the real thing:

Are you so fucking stupid that you can't see the difference? Just about the whole building has collapsed, leaving those two walls standing, and when they finally collapsed it is some kind of miracle for foil hats? You can even see the sky through the top floor windows, meaning that most of the building has collapsed already, so what this stupid clip of yours would possible prove? Your lack of intelligence?

[Ropo]

You think out of the blue the Bush gov.  Remember I'll put it in bold.  THE BUSH GOV on a whim can whip up the Department of Homeland Security?  For fuck sakes man.  They've had this planned out.  The link I showed you is not a conspiracy link but an actual fact of a think tank formed years before Bush became president.  Remember what I am saying.  The US Gov didn't do it but they LET IT HAPPEN.

Just prove it. It is a common knowledge that there were different kind of warnings that this may happen, but please prove that they willingly let it happen? I mean if you have the evidence, why don't you sue the bastards? Ooh, I understand, you have only foil hat truth about this, meaning bullshit, crap and rumors? Better luck next time 

[Ropo]

I looked at it and even froze and still don't see plane
Why is it that I can clearly see the structure of a plane when it is landing or even flying but I can't see one here

So if you don't see it, it wasn't there? What that means is simple: You know better that those hundreds of eyewitnesses who saw the plane just watching some crappy video? Better than radars, drivers who nearly get crushed by the plane, and all this about the event which happen before you were born? That is quite something, it put you quite high place in the scale of stupidity 

And furthermore, your brain capacity isn't enough to compile the question which ask what the hell it was, if it wasn't Boeing 767. You just take the first claim you find and repeat it like it would change to the truth if you say it many times. As I say, cruising missiles are only missiles which fly horizontally like aero plane, and they are like 16 feet''s long. Are you saying that you are stupid enough to mix that kind on tiny object to the 767 which is 159 feet's long? You see, it doesn't hurt you if you know the facts of the matter you are ranting about..

[Ropo]

They've talked to numerous pilots, and not even an experienced pilot can fly a plane that low to the ground... It's impossible.. It was a missile.  It penetrated into the inner rings of the pentagon, the impact of a plane would not do this.. As far as explosions... Plenty of evidence.. They interviewed numerous firefighters that heard explosions, and said the towers fell just like a controlled demolition.  Those interviews conveniently disappeared.  That day 3 steel framed buildings collapsed into there own footprints..  First time in history... And all on the same day.   Those towers were designed to take multiple impacts from a 747 and stay standing, they also were designed where if impact occurred only a section of the building would collapse... Not the whole building into its own footprint... Pulverized concrete caused and enormous amount of dust... What pulverizes concrete?? Explosives... Jets routinely intercept off course planes.... That day they must have forgotten how to... The official story is pathetic... The rubble was quickly shipped off to China... Why?  To destroy evidence... Puddles of molten steel below the rubble that stayed hot for days and days... Why?  Thermite.  Official story is such a joke... Most everyone outside this country knows our government was directly involved.. More than 50% of Americans now believe our government was as well.

What a load of bullshit. First of all, if you cant fly to plane with high accuracy, you can't  land it because you miss the runway. This claim is made by idiots who haven't have a slightest clue how to fly the plane. This has been done by simulators thousand of times with no problems, and I don't mean PlayStation simulators. The claim is literally too stupid to be true, and foil hats know it, so they make this phony organization pilots for 911 truth to give statements for idiots. And why do you speak only the moment of hitting the building, while the plane has been in air and visible for hundreds of eyewitnesses long before the hit?

They say it was just like controlled demolition? They say this, and suddenly it is a fact? So if I say that you are an imbecile, it also has to remain a fact? Is this how things are proved in this world ? I say you are the imbecile, and that's it, it is a fact? Or how about some evidences to prove that it isn't just words of the puzzled mind of the firefighters?

Please link me the original document where you can read the statement that those towers were designed to take multiple impacts from a 747 and stay standing? You can't, because there isn't such thing, you are just repeating the foil hat lies. IF not, just present the evidence? When you are looking for that, how about little bit of reality? "Airplane impact tests conducted by WTC structural engineers during the design of the Twin Towers used the Boeing 707, which was one of the largest passenger jets in the world at the time. The results of the test, carried out early in 1964, calculated that the towers would handle the impact of a 707 traveling at 600 mph without collapsing." Difference between 767-200ER and average 707? 767 is heavier and carry more fuel, and it is larger in dimensions. Do you really think that architects can estimate these things with such accuracy, that they know what kind of damage future aero planes will do? For example, how they calculate accurately the wear of 30 years what building has been in use?

And while I am 100% sure that you can't be the only person on this planet who have seen how the concrete has pulverize in other similar collapses because there isn't any, how you can be so fucking sure that it can't pulverize like that just by the collapse? In fact, you can't know it, you just suppose it can't, because you haven't even a slightest clue what kind of forces is involved in collapse like that. Energy in that collapse is enormous, it is far beyond you imagination and even further from your knowledge, so how you know? You read it from the internet, and internet doesn't never tell lies to you? For example, prove me that there were puddles of molten steel? There must be video or photos about them? There is none, not even one in the whole internet, but some fakes which are more than enough for you, if you are retard.

[Ropo]

As I say, the whole debacle reeks of seriously shady business.

That fool Ropo must be a salaried employee of some sinister arm of the government or something to spout at length, and continually, what he does.

Doesn't take an exceptional intellect to modestly explore available information and conclude the entire 9-11 tragedy doesn't add up in the way it's told to us, "officially".

And as foil hat idiots usually, you can't prove even that there really would be some "salaried employees" of some sort of sinister organizations writing in the internet. That is just another lie you have found and what you are repeating like a lamb. Fact is that if you have even a half a brains, you are able to see through these foil hat lies and point out their errors without any problems at all. I am from Finland and it is obvious that I doesn't even speak the fucking language because my grammar is crap, and still I can tell you that you morons doesn't have any evidence at all. People who believe these foil hat lies are morons, they doesn't have any brain functions what so ever, and this is only reason why they believe that crap without asking any evidence at all. When someone point out that there should be some way to prove these foil hat claims, it is quite obvious that he is smarter than foil hats, so he has to be some salaried employee 

[Ropo]

I think he's a Lebron James fan.  Maybe ex military.  A lot of guys who served after 9/11 because of 9/11 don't want to admit it was all a con. 

No, I am just ordinary finnish bloke, who want to know truth of the matters. That's why I can't believe that foil hat crap, because you morons has no evidence at all. It make me no difference who present the truth, if he can prove it to be a fact. This is what you morons  can't understand: Things become to facts by the evidence, not by saying they are facts.   

Only reason for your lack of the ability to see the facts of the matter is your lower than average IQ, which makes you believers. You have blind faith for the things what you have read from the internet, and you never even think that foil hats should prove their claims. Anyone with just an average IQ would immediately see that there is just claims, and ask for the evidence, but you guys don't even try? Everything, even the silliest claims are like a word of God for you, and you don't even understand how stupid thing that is. Let me reveal the secret to you: These foil hat fairytales aren't the word of God, they are the word of anonym imbeciles who are representing the stupidest part of the human kind.

[Ropo]

Man, after reading this thread, it feels like people are finally getting it and there is hope in humanity again, lol, after I demolish those two idiots (Ropo and Ozmo) on the 9/11 thread over the conspiracy board, I just got tired of arguing with retards, and stopped posting.

 But the main point stands, and anybody with an IQ higher than room temperature can understand that is scientifically impossible to explain how could the top 10-15 floors of the building brought down the rest of  the 90-95 floors in  a staggering 12 f@#$ing seconds into it's own foot print. They  did not collapse slowly like it should had  been if it were structural failures. It came down in 12 seconds and not even the base or better said the first 10 to 15 floors of the tower stood.

This video explains it extremely clear for those with an intelligence higher than a 12 grader how the collapse of the twin towers go against  the laws of physics.

 

When that has happen? Are you meaning that when you go away crying you have demolished something? You silly brat, it is almost too easy to anyone check that out, and anyone can see that it haven happen, so shut the fuck up. And really, do it make any difference, because there is on common thing for all these threads about the foil hat conspiracies, because not even one of them include any evidence about the conspiracy.

Why you morons are so blind about this fact? In which way it presents any kind of intelligence to believe all that crap without asking any evidence? Everything about his conspiracy is based on foil hat lies, and you can't prove none of them to be a fact. You know this and that is the reason why you don't even try, even if I have promised that I will shut up permanently if someone show me even one real evidence about the explosions at the 9/11 videos. So you have demolished me by screaming like an ape, throwing crap all over the place, but not presenting the evidence, which is only way to shut me up? And this proves you to be a) an imbecile b) a moron c) a blithering idiot? You don't need that silly video to prove it, your intelligence is so enormous, that you can't even link the YouTube video properly in your comment? How hard is that? Too much for your brains, evidently??

[Mr Anabolic]

When that has happen? Are you meaning that when you go away crying you have demolished something? You silly brat, it is almost too easy to anyone check that out, and anyone can see that it haven happen, so shut the fuck up. And really, do it make any difference, because there is on common thing for all these threads about the foil hat conspiracies, because not even one of them include any evidence about the conspiracy.

Why you morons are so blind about this fact? In which way it presents any kind of intelligence to believe all that crap without asking any evidence? Everything about his conspiracy is based on foil hat lies, and you can't prove none of them to be a fact. You know this and that is the reason why you don't even try, even if I have promised that I will shut up permanently if someone show me even one real evidence about the explosions at the 9/11 videos. So you have demolished me by screaming like an ape, throwing crap all over the place, but not presenting the evidence, which is only way to shut me up? And this proves you to be a) an imbecile b) a moron c) a blithering idiot? You don't need that silly video to prove it, your intelligence is so enormous, that you can't even link the YouTube video properly in your comment? How hard is that? Too much for your brains, evidently??

Meltdown.

[Mr Anabolic]

Which one of those was hit by the 375 000 lb passenger jet? This foil hat way of compare totally different things to each other is quite funny, but do it prove anything else than your desperate need to believe that bullshit? I mean how fucking stupid man has to be to try something like that? If you take some of the variables out from the equation, outcome can't be same. Even the stupidest blithering idiot knows that, but you don't? What that proves you are? Lamb, repeating the foil hat hymn of complete idiotism.


And the real thing:

Are you so fucking stupid that you can't see the difference? Just about the whole building has collapsed, leaving those two walls standing, and when they finally collapsed it is some kind of miracle for foil hats? You can even see the sky through the top floor windows, meaning that most of the building has collapsed already, so what this stupid clip of yours would possible prove? Your lack of intelligence?

WTC7 was imploded just like the other ones.  Jet fuel does not melt steel.  You are either delusional or a paid government shill.