rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?

[Colossus_1986]

Notice damage to building, lined up with a scaled image of the jetliner.

There are no markings on the building of where the wings would hit (let alone pierce the wall)
No wings or tail sections found on the pentagon lawn... I guess jet fuel did some amazing things on that day.

Also, if you are fortunate enough to know someone in Aviation, ask them how "easy" it is to fly a plane that size just a few feet off the ground full speed.

After they're done explaining to you, tell them they're wearing tin foil hats... that seems to be your #1 fail-safe last resort argument.

[blackpele]

The first time I saw the whole presentation I was blown away.

[SF1900]

There is such a lack of evidence and THAT is the problem.

Supposedly a plane hit the pentagon (NO DEBRIS)
Supposedlt a plane flew into a field in shanksvill PA, (NO DEBRIS)

That's one side of the argument, and supports the claims of many who suspect we are being lied to. Where's the wreckage associated with a plane crash? How about YOU provide US the evidence for that one.


This plane (flight 93) managed to disintegrate and mulch itself into the soil...


and another disappearing act:

I don't have to provide evidence. I am not the one making a claim. That is the way science works. If you make a claim, you have to substantiate it. You never have to prove a negative. I know, I know, basic critical skills elude you. People in this thread are making the CLAIM that 9-11 was a conspiracy. Thus, the burden of proof falls on THEM to present the evidence. I will look at the evidence and either accept or reject it.

Think of it this way: If a scientist says he has found a cure for cancer, its his job to provide evidence of the cure. Its NOT another scientists job to provide evidence against the cure. Thus, it is not my job to provide evidence against the idea that its a conspiracy. Its the job of the people who are making the claim to provide evidence that its a conspiracy.

Welcome to Logic 101.

[M4tad0r]

I don't have to provide evidence. I am not the one making a claim. That is the way science works. If you make a claim, you have to substantiate it. You never have to prove a negative. I know, I know, basic critical skills elude you. People in this thread are making the CLAIM that 9-11 was a conspiracy. Thus, the burden of proof falls on THEM to present the evidence. I will look at the evidence and either accept or reject it.

Think of it this way: If a scientist says he has found a cure for cancer, its his job to provide evidence of the cure. Its NOT another scientists job to provide evidence against the cure. Thus, it is not my job to provide evidence against the idea that its a conspiracy. Its the job of the people who are making the claim to provide evidence that its a conspiracy.

Welcome to Logic 101.

WTF??? What evidence have you provided? Is this real? Is he for real?

We are presenting the evidences, where are yours?

[Colossus_1986]

I don't have to provide evidence. I am not the one making a claim. That is the way science works. If you make a claim, you have to substantiate it. You never have to prove a negative. I know, I know, basic critical skills elude you. People in this thread are making the CLAIM that 9-11 was a conspiracy. Thus, the burden of proof falls on THEM to present the evidence. I will look at the evidence and either accept or reject it.

Think of it this way: If a scientist says he has found a cure for cancer, its his job to provide evidence of the cure. Its NOT another scientists job to provide evidence against the cure. Thus, it is not my job to provide evidence against the idea that its a conspiracy. Its the job of the people who are making the claim to provide evidence that its a conspiracy.

Welcome to Logic 101.

Wrong. The claim that these attacks happened, in the way they are said to have happened, cannot be substantiated because of all the flaws in the story, and lack of evidence. My claim is that the evidence is NOT there, i can't make something appear when my argument is that is ISN'T THERE in the first place.

In using your cancer analogy, it would be the equivalent of you going to the hospital, coming out, and saying you had cancer but now are cured. You're blood work shows that you are in fact now cured, but there isn't a shred of evidence showing the cancer was ever there to begin with.

[SF1900]

WTF??? What evidence have you provided? Is this real? Is he for real?

We are presenting the evidences, where are yours?

I am not making any claims. I am merely evaluating the evidence. Why would I provide evidence if I am not making any claims?   What exactly am I going to provide evidence for if I never made a specific claim?  

Yes, your presenting evidence, just not good evidence, unfortunately.  

[M4tad0r]

Wrong. The claim that these attacks happened, in the way they are said to have happened, cannot be substantiated because of all the flaws in the story, and lack of evidence. My claim is that the evidence is NOT there, i can't make something appear when my argument is that is ISN'T THERE in the first place.

In using your cancer analogy, it would be the equivalent of you going to the hospital, coming out, and saying you had cancer but now are cured. You're blood work shows that you are in fact now cured, but there isn't a shred of evidence showing the cancer was ever there to begin with.

Couldn't say it better myself.

Present arguments by incompetent goverment workers that cannot be substantiated. Government dick riders logic 101.

It's clear now.

[SF1900]

Wrong. The claim that these attacks happened, in the way they are said to have happened, cannot be substantiated because of all the flaws in the story, and lack of evidence. My claim is that the evidence is NOT there, i can't make something appear when my argument is that is ISN'T THERE in the first place.

In using your cancer analogy, it would be the equivalent of you going to the hospital, coming out, and saying you had cancer but now are cured. You're blood work shows that you are in fact now cured, but there isn't a shred of evidence showing the cancer was ever there to begin with.

But I never made any claims about anything. I never specifically said that the attacks were 100% from terrorists, nor did I say they were the work of the American govt. As such, I do not have to provide any evidence, since I never made a claim. I am merely evaluating the evidence. Youre making the claim that it is the work of the government, thus it is your job to provide that evidence. Sure, youre starting that there is not enough evidence, but youre taking it a step further and making your own claim, which you have to demonstrate. I have not made any direct claims..............yet.

There is more evidence that the terrorist attacks happened by terrorists, than did not. Yet, you have not provided sufficient evidence to counteract these claims. I do not see any of  this to be "mind blowing" evidence. Its really poor evidence at best.

[M4tad0r]

I don't have to provide evidence. I am not the one making a claim. That is the way science works. If you make a claim, you have to substantiate it. You never have to prove a negative. I know, I know, basic critical skills elude you. People in this thread are making the CLAIM that 9-11 was a conspiracy. Thus, the burden of proof falls on THEM to present the evidence. I will look at the evidence and either accept or reject it.

Think of it this way: If a scientist says he has found a cure for cancer, its his job to provide evidence of the cure. Its NOT another scientists job to provide evidence against the cure. Thus, it is not my job to provide evidence against the idea that its a conspiracy. Its the job of the people who are making the claim to provide evidence that its a conspiracy.

Welcome to Logic 101.

In the picture above, where are the engines, and the black box? Simple question, what's your answer and what was the official answer to such question?

[SF1900]

Couldn't say it better myself.

Present arguments that cannot be substantiated  by incompetent goverment workers. Government dick riders logic 101.

It's clear now.

And, yet, all your evidence is absolute garbage and does not prove that it was a government conspiracy. Good try.  

[M4tad0r]

When you can't argue facts, misdirect the conversation. 

9/11 Debunker Gets His Ass Handed To Him By Richard Gage - 20/07/2009

Government dick riders logic 101.

[SF1900]

In the picture above, where are the engines, and the black box? Simple question, what's your answer and what was the official answer to such question?

Again, Ive made no claims for either side. I am merely evaluating the evidence that you put forward.

[Colossus_1986]

And, yet, all your evidence is absolute garbage and does not prove that it was a government conspiracy. Good try.  

The Troll game is strong with this one 

[chaos]

Pentagon is the most secure building in the Country, and only 3 frames from 1 camera is what we have?

C'mon use your head.
Do you really think they'd shy from showing something hit the building after we see so many angles of the towers being hit, and people jumping from
windows? The footage is not out there, because they don't want it known or seen... Plain and simple. Surrounding businesses has their security footage confiscated
immediately after the smoke started rising from the Pentagon.

What about the people? Missles need to fly in the air correct? Right over the general publics head? Where are the people that say they saw a missle flying overhead?  All I see is videos of people saying they saw a plane.

C'mon use your head.

[Simple Simon]

What jury have revised what happened on 9/11? We don't want the answer to go our way. It's just the event's that 9/11 unleashed is still going today, do you understand? We keep toppling governments in the middle east, we shown you live testimony of General Wesly Clark who run for president, telling us they had already design plans to topple  Muslims goverments way back in 2002.

During the presidential debates, the nominees are telling us there is no money for college while the USA has spent trillions of dollars on War of aggression and keeps spending billions on arming terrorist in the Middle East.

We have a massive surveillance system spying on all citizens almost as bad as what you Brits have in England. We don't have cameras in every corner in the cities like you guys do, yet.

So excuse us if we look a little paranoid on this side of the pond.

you will be glad of those cameras when you get jumped by a herd of Hebrews.

[Simple Simon]

There is such a lack of evidence and THAT is the problem.

Supposedly a plane hit the pentagon (NO DEBRIS)
Supposedlt a plane flew into a field in shanksvill PA, (NO DEBRIS)

That's one side of the argument, and supports the claims of many who suspect we are being lied to. Where's the wreckage associated with a plane crash? How about YOU provide US the evidence for that one.


This plane (flight 93) managed to disintegrate and mulch itself into the soil...


and another disappearing act:

a lack of evidence isn't evidence.

Jeez, this is basic stuff.

[M4tad0r]

you will be glad of those cameras when you get jumped by a herd of Hebrews.

We are free thinking American people. I do not need cameras to defend me from a herd of Hebrews, lol. That's why we have the 2nd amendment still, conceal carry permit, and open carry on some states, and the police, they love them Hebrews.

How long before the Muslims take over there? Here's a nice article I just found about the first Muslim mayor. Hahaha.

London mayor election results: Sadiq Khan becomes first Muslim mayor

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/06/london-mayoral-election-results-what-time-will-the-votes-be-coun/#

[Las Vegas]

From an excellent (but very long) USAToday article about the WTC elevators.

Fire moved not only up and down but also side to side, from shaft to shaft, unleashing explosions in elevator lobbies and in restrooms next to the shafts.

It's estimated that 200+ people died on the elevators that day, making it the worst elevator catastrophe in history.  An interesting aside: nearly all elevators quickly malfunctioned, and did not perform to the expected emergency standards.  There were more than 80 elevator mechanics at the WTC on 9/11, and they chose to exit the building rather than attempt assistance for trapped users.

[Las Vegas]

Let me explain one little thing to you. What ever I have write about the subject, I have done all the research about it while writing.

No.  You're slipping, badly.  In case you missed it (which you clearly did), there's nothing to say Bush was referring to the WTC in that video, except for his reference to planes hitting "high buildings".  No way you would have made the comments about it that you did, had you realized that.

And as for explosions, let me clue you in on what it means to take the stand you're trying to hold.  You now need to explain a force which was so great, that it blasted through metal doors and demolished concrete walls.  If that wasn't caused by energy from ignited fuel (as I say): then what do you claim it was?  It wasn't from "heavy things" falling down the elevator shafts, as you've said.

[M4tad0r]

GENIUS CHRISTOPHER BOLLYN EXPLAINS WITH FACTS WHY AND HOW ISRAEL DID 9-11

[M4tad0r]

Ken OKeefe Exposes 9-11-01 in 2016

[Las Vegas]

The greatest lie to the American public ever, in order to get the Nation to back a series of wars, give up their security and liberties, and the rest is history.

Since that day the US is still at war. Americans are treated like criminals in their own airports. The NSA has the ability to see anyone and everyone's private info thanks to technology. Last but not least there's a scapegoat to make it all plausible...al quaeda. Well that one got old, so now it's ISIS. It feels like pro wrestling, where the heels (bad guy gimmicks) are scripted overnight and you guys buy it up.

Like I said before, if you can honestly watch a documentary like loose change, or zeitgeist and can't question anything about these events, there is a problem with you. If you were less than 13-14 years of age when this happened (2001) let alone born, you need to shut the fuck up on this issue. There can be kids online or wherever, who are teenagers now, but weren't born when this happened. You simply do not understand the magnitude of what these events changed in modern history. The life we all live in now in north America is shifted and affected by this. And so you can imagine the reality of a government staging an attack on its own soil, making it look like it was an "enemy" and killing many in the process is a pretty big deal. People grew soft. This is the type of thing that could get the public to back the country into war. Nothing less would suffice. I agree it's a serious matter and everyone should stand on the side of justice, the only problem is you were (we were all) lied to about that day.

Why a government chooses to "classify" documents and then release them to the public 30-40 years later is insane. Case in point operation northwoods in the 1960's . You can see that way back then, the US had no problem provoking an attack on Cuba based on a false flag. Look back at how Hitler gained power after the Reichstag building burned down. Its nothing new, history repeats itself, but idiots everywhere are too stupid to see for themselves.

Those who don't learn from history are damned to repeat it.

Some good points.

[Las Vegas]

Lol, I really have to say this is one of the most interesting threads I've ever seen.

[M4tad0r]

DIRTY ROTTEN HASBARA!!!

Sounds a lot like Ropo's tactics.

Hasbara Trolls are generally quite polite at first. They pop up when someone is critical of Israel and it’s policies or interests. They target, write, engage, educate and insult.

Hasbara Troll attributes

Supreme point of view
The Hasbara troll knows best
Condescending & Patronising
Socialist (Smart and ‘caring’)
Do not have to be Jewish but Pro-Israel
Internet experts
Narcissistic
Provocative
Dis-ruptive
Like to ask the questions, not answer questions
Control freaks
Inflamed by anyone being critical of Israel
‘Moral’ Guardians
Classic insults: Anti-semite, Neo- Nazi, White Supremacist, Holocaust denier
Adept with social networks well trained on IT

[Simple Simon]

We are free thinking American people. I do not need cameras to defend me from a herd of Hebrews, lol. That's why we have the 2nd amendment still, conceal carry permit, and open carry on some states, and the police, they love them Hebrews.

How long before the Muslims take over there? Here's a nice article I just found about the first Muslim mayor. Hahaha.

London mayor election results: Sadiq Khan becomes first Muslim mayor

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/06/london-mayoral-election-results-what-time-will-the-votes-be-coun/#

and 9/11 was to spy on you via the internet?

Fuck me, and they still let you have guns?
Dont you think in the grand scheme of things if they wanted control the first thing they would do is disarm you?