rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?

[Yamcha]

Do I have to post the picture of plane debris in front of the pentagon again?






but I need to use my head right? it was clearly planted. 

[M4tad0r]

That's the best you can do? HAHAHAHAHHHA

A tiny scrap metal? Then,

Where are the tires?

Where are the engines?

What ever happened to the black box?

Here is a link to pictures of parts of the planes that hit the twin towers, do you get it? part of the plane found that hit the Twin Towers.


https://www.google.com/search?q=9/11+plane+part+found&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=993&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiB-7_PncjMAhXFax4KHUhhDeQQ_AUIBygC&dpr=1

Just remember, when confronted with facts, according to the Government dick rider's manual, all you got to respond is: Coincidence!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH

[Yamcha]

That's the best you can do? HAHAHAHAHHHA

A tiny scrap metal? Then,

Where are the tires?

Where are the engines?

What ever happened to the black box?

Just remember, when confronted with facts, according to the Government dick rider's manual, all you got to respond is: Coincidence!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAH

lots of debris in this shot.

looks like they are picking it up as quickly as possible..... OR ARE THEY PLANTING IT?!?!?!?!?!?!?! I'M OWNING MYSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

[M4tad0r]

Where are the tires?

Where are the engines?

What happened to the black box?  

or it's all coincidence? 

[Yamcha]

there is a landing gear

[Yamcha]

piece of plane hanging from the ceiling inside the pentagon...
 



clearly planted 

[Yamcha]

planting more evidence

[M4tad0r]

there is a landing gear

Good, we are getting somewhere now, and the engines and the black box?

By the way where was that picture taken from?

Was the landing gear inside the plane or out ready for landing when the plane crashed? Seriously. Did any of the eye witnesses that saw the plane could recollect such thing?

[Yamcha]

Good, we are getting somewhere now, and the engines and the black box?

By the way where was that picture taken from?

taken from a camera, I believe.
will get my people on it to confirm

[M4tad0r]

piece of plane hanging from the ceiling inside the pentagon...
 



clearly planted  

Very good, I see now, I'm getting it now, what about the rest of the plane, you know, seats, humans, engines, and the crucial part, what ever happened to the black box?

How is the black box designed?

To protect the stack of memory boards that store information, black boxes are wrapped in a thin layer of aluminum and a 1-inch layer of high-temperature insulation, and then encased in a corrosion-resistant stainless steel or titanium shell.

The black box must be able to withstand an acceleration of 3,400 Gs (3,400 times the force of gravity), which equals an impact velocity of about 310 mph. It must also survive flames up to 2,000 degrees F for one hour, and the beacon should be able to emit a signal once per second while submersed in 20,000 feet of saltwater for 30 days.

The beacon cannot be heard by the human ear but can be easily detected by sonar. The beacon is battery-powered, with a shelf life of up to six years.

What would it take to destroy a black box?

"It is extremely rare for a black box to be destroyed," says Hamilton. "Black boxes have traditionally outperformed their design."

Hamilton says he cannot think of a single case in which both devices have been damaged to the point of there being no useful data.

"It would take a concentrated fire beyond its design strength, or an impact so high that it would be beyond what it could withstand."

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/03/11/289189214/what-would-it-take-to-destroy-a-black-box

Except on 9/11 that is. All 4 planes. Coincidence!!!

[M4tad0r]

taken from a camera, I believe.
will get my people on it to confirm

Where, not from what. Good reading and comprehension skills I see.

By the way try to prove that the picture belongs to the crash in the Pentagon, I will be waiting.

[Yamcha]

You owned me man.

God I am so owned.

I'll never recover.

[M4tad0r]

You owned me man.

God I am so owned.

I'll never recover.

Jokes aside, was the landing gear inside the plane or out ready for landing when the plane crashed? Seriously. Did any of the eye witnesses that saw the plane could recollect such thing?

I think it would help you here.

Ozmo, Ropo, I need you guys to clarify it for me. Please!!!

[Las Vegas]

Matador, there are pics to show engine parts (at least like gaskets and stuff).  A while ago, I saw a bunch of pictures which haven't been too widely published, including those, so will look them up later and post the best ones.  They are interesting to see.  From inside Pentagon.

Like I said before, I believe a plane did hit.  But I suspect that something more may have happened.  I would like to know which images of the sky are being held back, and why.

[Las Vegas]

Thanks, OzmO.  No, I won't run.

[M4tad0r]

Thanks for clearing it up. I seen a lot of research about a smaller plane and a picture of a smaller engine, the goverment never bothered to publish the serial number of such engine. No to mention that the left overs of the debris of the crash was turn to the airline, and it disappeared, never to be able to be researched by independent journalists.

One thing that I will never forget and it seem petty odd after 9/11 and before the 2004 presidential election is how I can't recall seen the families of American Airlines Flight 77 that hit the pentagon in the news.

I can recall seen the families of the United Airlines Flight 93, and the twin towers, but they wouldn't bring on the families of Flight 77.

Anybody can chin in on this?

[Las Vegas]

Thanks for clearing it up. I seen a lot of research about a smaller plane and a picture of a smaller engine, the goverment never bothered to publish the serial number of such engine. No to mention that the left overs of the debris of the crash was turn to the airline, and it disappear, never to be able to be researched by independent journalist.

One thing that I will never foget and it seem petty odd after 9/11 and before the 2004 presidential election is how I can't recall seen the families of American Airlines Flight 77 that hit the pentagon in the news.

I can recall seen the families of the United Airlines Flight 93, and the twin towers, but they wouldn't bring on the families of Flight 77.

Anybody can chin in on this?

There are some very strange things about the Pentagon hit, including the thought that it comes down to a single 1fps camera for security on that face of the perimeter.  That is very questionable.

[M4tad0r]

You have no room to talk COWARD.    You need to crawl back into your cowardly bitch hole.  

and you are wrong about your latest post too.


Physics!!!!!  

Again you are wrong.  You are drawing conclusions from incorrect assumptions and inaccurate information.  If you don't like the wiki proof there is more i can post from actual engineers to show how wrong you are.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center



The World Trade Center towers included many structural engineering innovations in skyscraper design and construction, which allowed the buildings to reach new heights and become the tallest in the world. Traditionally, skyscrapers used a skeleton of columns distributed throughout the interior to support building loads, with interior columns disrupting the floor space. The tube-frame concept, earlier introduced by Fazlur Khan, was a major innovation, allowing open floor plans and more space to rent. The buildings used high-strength, load-bearing perimeter steel columns called Vierendeel trusses that were spaced closely together to form a strong, rigid wall structure. There were 60 perimeter columns, narrowly spaced, on each side of the buildings. In all, the perimeter walls of the towers were 210 feet (64 m) on each side, and the corners were beveled. The perimeter columns were designed to provide support for virtually all lateral loads (such as wind loads) and to share the gravity loads with the core columns.[48] Structural analysis of major portions of the World Trade Center were computed on an IBM 1620.[49]

The perimeter structure was constructed with extensive use of prefabricated modular pieces, which consisted of three columns, three stories tall, connected by spandrel plates. The perimeter columns had a square cross section, 14 inches (36 cm) on a side, and were constructed of welded steel plate.[50] The thickness of the plates and grade of structural steel varied over the height of the tower, ranging from 36,000 to 100,000 pounds per square inch[51] (260 to 670 MPa). The strength of the steel and thickness of the steel plates decreased with height because they were required to support lesser amounts of building mass on higher floors.[50] The tube-frame design required 40 percent less structural steel than conventional building designs.[52] From the 7th floor to the ground level, and down to the foundation, the columns were spaced 10 feet (3 m) apart.[53] All columns were placed on bedrock, which, unlike that in Midtown Manhattan, where the bedrock is shallow, is at 65–85 feet (20–26 m) below the surface.[54]

The spandrel plates were welded to the columns to create the modular pieces off-site at the fabrication shop.[55] The modular pieces were typically 52 inches (1.3 m) deep, and extended for two full floors and half of two more floors.[50] Adjacent modules were bolted together, with the splices occurring at mid-span of the columns and spandrels. The spandrel plates were located at each floor, transmitting shear stress between columns, allowing them to work together in resisting lateral loads. The joints between modules were staggered vertically, so the column splices between adjacent modules were not at the same floor.[50]

.....

The tube frame design using steel core and perimeter columns protected with sprayed-on fire resistant material created a relatively lightweight structure that would sway more in response to the wind, compared to traditional structures such as the Empire State Building that have thick, heavy masonry for fireproofing of steel structural elements

And here is another icing in the pancake theory.
See section 8.
NIST’s findings DO NOT support the “pancake theory” of collapse, which is premised on a progressive failure of the floor systems in the WTC towers
http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/faqs_wtctowers.cfm

Even though NIST tried to peddle this  very early on.. but the collapse times render the law for the conservation of momentum null and void on 9-11, they had to come up with something else..
A NEW - never seen before and never to be seen again - fire induced progressive collapse - which means nothing if they can't prove it with science-math-physics.
The only thing progressive about the collapsed buildings was; each other floor was progressively blown out to allow the entire building to fall through what should have been the path of greatest resistance.

You need explosives to bring down any steel- concrete structure. A plane impact can not achieve this. Even tank shells can not do the job. That's why planes bomb cities with high explosives. If aliminum shells filled with jet fuel was sufficient than there wouldn't be any need for high explosives inside missiles and bombs...

Ozmo in the OWNED zone, once again.

[Simple Simon]

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/local_links.php?catid=18

[M4tad0r]

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/local_links.php?catid=18

Thanks. 

[Simple Simon]

Thanks. 

It will answer every question you have.

[Las Vegas]

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/local_links.php?catid=18

Here's what it says about the video.

Based on the currently available information, the Pentagon surveillance cameras that took the well-known videos of the impact were NTSC interlaced analog color cameras with an automatic iris and a shutter speed of 1/60th of a second.

The camera acquired a static scene, in which the background does not move, some objects are stationary and some objects (cars, people, clouds, and others) instead move.

what does the CCD sensor capture if, during the 1/60th of a second for which its shutter remains "open", the light that strikes the CCD belongs partly to the object and partly to the background, which is fixed?

Let me put it another way. If the shutter opens at a certain instant to capture a field (for example the even lines of the frame) and we consider, again by way of example, a point of the field of view that lies 2.5 meters ahead of the nose of the aircraft (which is moving at a tangent speed of 171.1 meters per second), that point remains lit by the light of the fixed background for most of the time and is reached by the nose of the plane (which moves tangentially by 2.85 meters) only when the shutter is about to close.

So what would the CCD acquire?

Would it acquire the background, with a ghost produced by the plane which arrived as the shutter was about to close?

Probably.

It also says this:

the security cameras worked by interlacing at 60 Hz, i.e., they acquired 60 fields (not frames) per second, which yielded 29.97 frames per second.

It then says it would be "unlikely" that the camera would produce a plane image at a "decent" resolution.

Looks like the camera is producing at 1fps, though, as the car passes.  Or am I missing something?

[lilhawk1]

[lilhawk1]

Watch the videos with an open mind, the tell me the 9/11 commission report is how things unfolded that day.  Complete crap...many, many reports of the jets being military planes.  What is on the underside of the jets?  That's not on a civilian jet..

[illuminati]

\

You can't back up what you say?

What are you afraid of?  

I guess i will add you to the list of ignorant cowards.

Pathetic.  lol

Point is, you have no idea how the air defense worked back then and all you can do run like little bitch.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


 

I'll give you that your are Good with the cut-n-paste etc with your answers.

What am I Afraid Of -- A Few Things Actually.
Though Certainly NOT YOU.

Is All You Can Do Is Resort To Imbecile Name Calling.
That is a Clue To A Very Educated & Intelligent Man...NOT.

I Have Said Already I Don't Know How The American Defense System Worked Back Then or in fact now.

The Simple Fact That 2 planes Hit The Twin Towers. ( Granted that would of Been very tough to prevent )
And 2 others -- 1, Brought down by the passengers, & The other Smashes into The Pentagon, Which they Clearly had enough time to track it's flight path & Try to communicate With.

I think Most Sane Rational Thinking People Would Say Was A Faliure Of A Defense System.
The Clue Is In The Words 'DEFENCE SYSTEMS'  
Hmm Let The Plane Smash into One of The Most Important Buildings In America & Do Fcuk All About.
Great Defense System. 


Now Go Away --
Pls Feel Free to Call Me all the Childish Names You want.
And Show yourself up for what you are Some More.