rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?

[M4tad0r]

The last post was the interior.  As for the exterior:



Then, shortly afterward:

Don't forget to ask what ever happened to the engines and the black box?



Ozmo, Ropo the retard, on it, we need the official 9/11 commission report explanation on the dot, I can't find it.

[Las Vegas]

Don't forget to ask what ever happened to the engines and the black box?

Ozmo, Ropo the retard, on it, we need the official 9/11 commission report explanation on the dot, I can't find it.

The picture that's associated with the maintenance-manual diagram, is of a combustion chamber, FWIW.

As for the Black Box, here is the claim:

Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box."

[Las Vegas]

Has anyone else ever seen this picture?

[OzmO]

Don't forget to ask what ever happened to the engines and the black box?



Ozmo, Ropo the retard, on it, we need the official 9/11 commission report explanation on the dot, I can't find it.

These are things YOU claimed and they have been shown to be WRONG:

Fact:  Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact:  it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact:  There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11


this is not going away   

[M4tad0r]

The picture that's associated with the maintenance-manual diagram, is of a combustion chamber, FWIW.

As for the Black Box, here is the claim:

It is public knowledge that each black box has a serial number that identifies the type of plane that it belongs to, I wonder why the official 9/11 commission report omitted such number and the content of the black box? National security? Many question not that many answers.

Ozmo, Ropo the retard on it!!!

[OzmO]

It is public knowledge that each black box has a serial number that identifies the type of plane that it belongs to, I wonder why the official 9/11 commission report omitted such number and the content of the black box? National security? Many question not that many answers.

Ozmo, Ropo the retard on it!!!

These are things YOU claimed and they have been shown to be WRONG:

Fact:  Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact:  it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact:  There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11


this is not going away   

[Las Vegas]

The last post was the interior.  As for the exterior:



Then, approximately 20 minutes later:

Something very powerful in the first picture, is the fact that the area associated with the wing-damage is exactly as would be expected from that.  In other words: toward the tip of the wing, the building support columns won.  Toward the strongest part of the wing and including it, the support columns lost. 

The other wing's said to have been sheared off on the ground.

[El Diablo Blanco]

The last post was the interior.  As for the exterior:



Then, shortly afterward:

Did the building have a fake facade. Why Windows on the interior walls here the hole was made. Is it just a cushion facade just for this type of impact?

[Las Vegas]

Did the building have a fake facade. Why Windows on the interior walls here the hole was made. Is it just a cushion facade just for this type of impact?

To say it was relatively weak on the outside, you mean?

[Las Vegas]

Has anyone else ever seen this picture?

This one is next.  I know enough to say that most of the visual data in this picture is directly from the video that we've all seen.  The question is whether someone added to it.

[M4tad0r]

Something very powerful in the first picture, is the fact that the area associated with the wing-damage is exactly as would be expected from that.  In other words: toward the tip of the wing, the building support columns won.  Toward the strongest part of the wing and including it, the support columns lost. 

The other wing's said to have been sheared off on the ground.

Good points, a clear path is emerging now, but? As for the whole inside the pentagon, we know that the front of the plane is like paper, and is the first thing to be crash like a tin can on contact, so the question is, was the whole we see in the pictures on the outer walls made by the engine which is not shown, or could be the smaller plane shot a missile before contact to secure maximum destruction to that wing of the pentagon where they hosted the team that was investigating the 2 trillion dollars that was not accounted which Donal Rumsfeld was on TV asking for?

Do you think Rumsfeld was in it in the 9/11 deception? Or was more of a Dick Cheney, Bush and Zionist Jews connection who did it?

To date nothing has been dug up on Rumsfeld, can't find any corruption going on with him, and he did get kick out of the Government before Bush Jr second term came to an end. Colin Powell did show to be an useful idiot as well when he gave the Presentation to the UN Security Council On Iraq's WMD Program.

[chaos]

Good points, a clear path is emerging now, but? As for the whole inside the pentagon, we know that the front of the plane is like paper, and is the first thing to be crash like a tin can on contact, so the question is, was the whole we see in the pictures on the outer walls made by the engine which is not shown, or could be the smaller plane shot a missile before contact to secure maximum destruction to that wing of the pentagon where they hosted the team that was investigating the 2 trillion dollars that was not accounted which Donal Rumsfeld was on TV asking for?

Do you think Rumsfeld was in it in the 9/11 deception? Or was more of a Dick Cheney, Bush and Zionist Jews connection who did it?

To date nothing has been dug up on Rumsfeld, can't find any corruption going on with him, and he did get kick out of the Government before Bush Jr second term came to an end. Colin Powell did show to be an useful idiot as well when he gave the Presentation to the UN Security Council On Iraq's WMD Program.

Here we go with this invisible missle again.

[chaos]

Normal protocol?  Bullshit..  Why release one video at the Pentagon?  There's hundreds of cameras there..  

I keep seeing this, can any one of you actually prove there are hundreds of cameras pointing at the Pentagon

[M4tad0r]

This one is next.  I know enough to say that most of the visual data in this picture is directly from the video that we've all seen.  The question is whether someone added to it.

too blurry to tell, we would need a technician on imaging and film to do some forensic work, any Getbigger up for it?

[M4tad0r]

Here we go with this invisible missle again.

Instead of mumbling about the missile, why don't you give us your thoughts on the whole on the outer wall of the Pentagon then, eh? Be helpful, don't be a troll.

[jaejonna]

just watched the video on the first page...very chillin

[lilhawk1]

Here we go with this invisible missle again.

There is one hole in the pentagon, and it penetrated all but one ring.  A jet does not do that, it's physically impossible.  Only a missile with some type of penetrating warhead is capable of that.  I'll ask again.  If the plane did it where is it?  If it was strong enough to penetrate like that, then where is it?  If it evaporated, then it wouldn't be strong enough to penetrate 4 rings of the pentagon.  It's really unbelievable this has to be explained.  The official story is total bullshit.  The most protected building on earth, knowing we were under attack that day....nothing would get close to it without being shot down, period.  The pentagon does have its own defense system, so what happened?  Someone gave an order to stand down, otherwise if it was a plane, it would have been shot down...period.  Of course it was a missile with a penetrating warhead that did this damage.  One neat, round hole, that isn't even close to the size of a jet fuselage.  It's right at the base, a jet would have been dragging its engines on the ground to hit the base of the building.  Any pilot will tell you it was physically impossible for that jet to fly at that speed anywhere near that close to the ground.  The jet simply couldn't do it.  Not to mention, that is with a capable pilot.  Hanjour, was a horrible pilot that couldn't fly a friggin Cessna. 

[OzmO]

There is one hole in the pentagon, and it penetrated all but one ring.  A jet does not do that, it's physically impossible. Only a missile with some type of penetrating warhead is capable of that.  I'll ask again.  If the plane did it where is it?  If it was strong enough to penetrate like that, then where is it?  If it evaporated, then it wouldn't be strong enough to penetrate 4 rings of the pentagon.  It's really unbelievable this has to be explained.  The official story is total bullshit.  The most protected building on earth, knowing we were under attack that day....nothing would get close to it without being shot down, period.  The pentagon does have its own defense system, so what happened?  Someone gave an order to stand down, otherwise if it was a plane, it would have been shot down...period.  Of course it was a missile with a penetrating warhead that did this damage.  One neat, round hole, that isn't even close to the size of a jet fuselage.  It's right at the base, a jet would have been dragging its engines on the ground to hit the base of the building.  Any pilot will tell you it was physically impossible for that jet to fly at that speed anywhere near that close to the ground.  The jet simply couldn't do it.  Not to mention, that is with a capable pilot.  Hanjour, was a horrible pilot that couldn't fly a friggin Cessna. 

Wrong again.

But not surprising coming form a man who claims to have read countless books on 9/11 but doesn't even know how the air defense system worked that day.

[thebrink]

Compartmentalization.

Bernard Maddoff, Enron, BP and the gulf incident. Not to mention those people would be in fear of losing their life. Mosad are not to be taking lightly, they specialized in assassination.

The 1972 Summer Olympics incident and aftermath is another  good example.

The planification could have been done by the FBI or even our own military on a way to study how could terrorist destroy the twin towers, since they failed on '93.

Our military are continuously making studies on all types of contingencies all around the world.

Here is example of way back on 1962 during the Kennedy presidency: Operation Mongoose, a series of secret covert operation against Cuba. Imagine what they have now as top secret contingencies plans.

https://books.google.com/books?id=bglmOjrREOkC&pg=PA195&lpg=PA195&dq=contingencies+studies+by+the+pentagon&source=bl&ots=BWKcgIJdzM&sig=vKwnTw2GD9GWYAI4wZ8waMpTlJ8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwicmPLB6c_MAhVLmx4KHTN3CGoQ6AEIODAE#v=onepage&q=contingencies%20studies%20by%20the%20pentagon&f=false


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[chaos]

Instead of mumbling about the missile, why don't you give us your thoughts on the whole on the outer wall of the Pentagon then, eh? Be helpful, don't be a troll.

I think the Las Vegas quotes answered that at the top of this page didn't they?
Still waiting for witnessess that saw these missles flying overhead on their way to hit the Pentagon.

[OzmO]

THIS

No this....lol

Engineers don't design structures that size to be 'just strong enough'. That's ridiculous. And it's not the steel that protects the building from gravity, it's the concrete columns which have tremendous compressive strength. Steel is merely meant to keep the concrete from twisting apart and to protect its integrity from vector type forces. Any engineer will tell you that.

Physics!!!!!  

Again you are wrong.  You are drawing conclusions from incorrect assumptions and inaccurate information.  If you don't like the wiki proof there is more i can post from actual engineers to show how wrong you are.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center



The World Trade Center towers included many structural engineering innovations in skyscraper design and construction, which allowed the buildings to reach new heights and become the tallest in the world. Traditionally, skyscrapers used a skeleton of columns distributed throughout the interior to support building loads, with interior columns disrupting the floor space. The tube-frame concept, earlier introduced by Fazlur Khan, was a major innovation, allowing open floor plans and more space to rent. The buildings used high-strength, load-bearing perimeter steel columns called Vierendeel trusses that were spaced closely together to form a strong, rigid wall structure. There were 60 perimeter columns, narrowly spaced, on each side of the buildings. In all, the perimeter walls of the towers were 210 feet (64 m) on each side, and the corners were beveled. The perimeter columns were designed to provide support for virtually all lateral loads (such as wind loads) and to share the gravity loads with the core columns.[48] Structural analysis of major portions of the World Trade Center were computed on an IBM 1620.[49]

The perimeter structure was constructed with extensive use of prefabricated modular pieces, which consisted of three columns, three stories tall, connected by spandrel plates. The perimeter columns had a square cross section, 14 inches (36 cm) on a side, and were constructed of welded steel plate.[50] The thickness of the plates and grade of structural steel varied over the height of the tower, ranging from 36,000 to 100,000 pounds per square inch[51] (260 to 670 MPa). The strength of the steel and thickness of the steel plates decreased with height because they were required to support lesser amounts of building mass on higher floors.[50] The tube-frame design required 40 percent less structural steel than conventional building designs.[52] From the 7th floor to the ground level, and down to the foundation, the columns were spaced 10 feet (3 m) apart.[53] All columns were placed on bedrock, which, unlike that in Midtown Manhattan, where the bedrock is shallow, is at 65–85 feet (20–26 m) below the surface.[54]

The spandrel plates were welded to the columns to create the modular pieces off-site at the fabrication shop.[55] The modular pieces were typically 52 inches (1.3 m) deep, and extended for two full floors and half of two more floors.[50] Adjacent modules were bolted together, with the splices occurring at mid-span of the columns and spandrels. The spandrel plates were located at each floor, transmitting shear stress between columns, allowing them to work together in resisting lateral loads. The joints between modules were staggered vertically, so the column splices between adjacent modules were not at the same floor.[50]

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The tube frame design using steel core and perimeter columns protected with sprayed-on fire resistant material created a relatively lightweight structure that would sway more in response to the wind, compared to traditional structures such as the Empire State Building that have thick, heavy masonry for fireproofing of steel structural elements

[M4tad0r]

I think the Las Vegas quotes answered that at the top of this page didn't they?
Still waiting for witnessess that saw these missles flying overhead on their way to hit the Pentagon.

The point I was trying to make was that could it be both, that the smaller plane before it crashed against the pentagon fired a missile for maximum destruction. That could have been another possibility since there is  evidence that the plane could have been flown like a drone.

The light poles were bend and not cut like that pilot said in the video it would had happen if a plane had flown in  at 500 m/h, maybe the smaller plane came in at a lower speed and shot the missile before crashing that's why we see the big explosion on contact, or could be the plane was loaded with the missile inside as well. Or it could have been a jet pro pulsed missile like the video below is showing.

Many question, not that many answers.

[M4tad0r]

No this....lol

Physics!!!!!  

Again you are wrong.  You are drawing conclusions from incorrect assumptions and inaccurate information.  If you don't like the wiki proof there is more i can post from actual engineers to show how wrong you are.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center



The World Trade Center towers included many structural engineering innovations in skyscraper design and construction, which allowed the buildings to reach new heights and become the tallest in the world. Traditionally, skyscrapers used a skeleton of columns distributed throughout the interior to support building loads, with interior columns disrupting the floor space. The tube-frame concept, earlier introduced by Fazlur Khan, was a major innovation, allowing open floor plans and more space to rent. The buildings used high-strength, load-bearing perimeter steel columns called Vierendeel trusses that were spaced closely together to form a strong, rigid wall structure. There were 60 perimeter columns, narrowly spaced, on each side of the buildings. In all, the perimeter walls of the towers were 210 feet (64 m) on each side, and the corners were beveled. The perimeter columns were designed to provide support for virtually all lateral loads (such as wind loads) and to share the gravity loads with the core columns.[48] Structural analysis of major portions of the World Trade Center were computed on an IBM 1620.[49]

The perimeter structure was constructed with extensive use of prefabricated modular pieces, which consisted of three columns, three stories tall, connected by spandrel plates. The perimeter columns had a square cross section, 14 inches (36 cm) on a side, and were constructed of welded steel plate.[50] The thickness of the plates and grade of structural steel varied over the height of the tower, ranging from 36,000 to 100,000 pounds per square inch[51] (260 to 670 MPa). The strength of the steel and thickness of the steel plates decreased with height because they were required to support lesser amounts of building mass on higher floors.[50] The tube-frame design required 40 percent less structural steel than conventional building designs.[52] From the 7th floor to the ground level, and down to the foundation, the columns were spaced 10 feet (3 m) apart.[53] All columns were placed on bedrock, which, unlike that in Midtown Manhattan, where the bedrock is shallow, is at 65–85 feet (20–26 m) below the surface.[54]

The spandrel plates were welded to the columns to create the modular pieces off-site at the fabrication shop.[55] The modular pieces were typically 52 inches (1.3 m) deep, and extended for two full floors and half of two more floors.[50] Adjacent modules were bolted together, with the splices occurring at mid-span of the columns and spandrels. The spandrel plates were located at each floor, transmitting shear stress between columns, allowing them to work together in resisting lateral loads. The joints between modules were staggered vertically, so the column splices between adjacent modules were not at the same floor.[50]

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The tube frame design using steel core and perimeter columns protected with sprayed-on fire resistant material created a relatively lightweight structure that would sway more in response to the wind, compared to traditional structures such as the Empire State Building that have thick, heavy masonry for fireproofing of steel structural elements

What does all this mean? Please explain and how it correlates with the 15 floors bringing down the rest of the 95  floors due to office fire in a staggering 12 seconds, pulverization everything from concrete, humans, office furniture and throwing steel beens 600 yards to the side.

All this happened while taking the path of most resistance straight down to it's very base, while destroying all 115 floors, thank you in advance.

Also you mind explaining how could the top part of the south tower that started tilting down to the side while going down could have  pulverize in mid air before touching the ground? Again thank you in advance for you explanation.

South Tower Exploding Projectile by David Chandler

[thebrink]

No this....lol

Physics!!!!!  

Again you are wrong.  You are drawing conclusions from incorrect assumptions and inaccurate information.  If you don't like the wiki proof there is more i can post from actual engineers to show how wrong you are.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_of_the_World_Trade_Center



The World Trade Center towers included many structural engineering innovations in skyscraper design and construction, which allowed the buildings to reach new heights and become the tallest in the world. Traditionally, skyscrapers used a skeleton of columns distributed throughout the interior to support building loads, with interior columns disrupting the floor space. The tube-frame concept, earlier introduced by Fazlur Khan, was a major innovation, allowing open floor plans and more space to rent. The buildings used high-strength, load-bearing perimeter steel columns called Vierendeel trusses that were spaced closely together to form a strong, rigid wall structure. There were 60 perimeter columns, narrowly spaced, on each side of the buildings. In all, the perimeter walls of the towers were 210 feet (64 m) on each side, and the corners were beveled. The perimeter columns were designed to provide support for virtually all lateral loads (such as wind loads) and to share the gravity loads with the core columns.[48] Structural analysis of major portions of the World Trade Center were computed on an IBM 1620.[49]

The perimeter structure was constructed with extensive use of prefabricated modular pieces, which consisted of three columns, three stories tall, connected by spandrel plates. The perimeter columns had a square cross section, 14 inches (36 cm) on a side, and were constructed of welded steel plate.[50] The thickness of the plates and grade of structural steel varied over the height of the tower, ranging from 36,000 to 100,000 pounds per square inch[51] (260 to 670 MPa). The strength of the steel and thickness of the steel plates decreased with height because they were required to support lesser amounts of building mass on higher floors.[50] The tube-frame design required 40 percent less structural steel than conventional building designs.[52] From the 7th floor to the ground level, and down to the foundation, the columns were spaced 10 feet (3 m) apart.[53] All columns were placed on bedrock, which, unlike that in Midtown Manhattan, where the bedrock is shallow, is at 65–85 feet (20–26 m) below the surface.[54]

The spandrel plates were welded to the columns to create the modular pieces off-site at the fabrication shop.[55] The modular pieces were typically 52 inches (1.3 m) deep, and extended for two full floors and half of two more floors.[50] Adjacent modules were bolted together, with the splices occurring at mid-span of the columns and spandrels. The spandrel plates were located at each floor, transmitting shear stress between columns, allowing them to work together in resisting lateral loads. The joints between modules were staggered vertically, so the column splices between adjacent modules were not at the same floor.[50]

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The tube frame design using steel core and perimeter columns protected with sprayed-on fire resistant material created a relatively lightweight structure that would sway more in response to the wind, compared to traditional structures such as the Empire State Building that have thick, heavy masonry for fireproofing of steel structural elements

What's your point ? Do you really think those massive core columns disintegrated from a tiny collision into the curtain wall from a tiny plane while the structure is massive in comparison.  And twice at that with both damn near around the same time. But that's just another coincidence right lol.

[M4tad0r]

What's your point ? Do you really think those massive core columns disintegrated from a tiny collision into the curtain wall from a tiny plane while the structure is massive in comparison.  And twice at that with both damn near around the same time. But that's just another coincidence right lol.

Let him explain how his posting translates to what happened on that day. Get you popcorn ready Getbiggers!!!

Let Ozmo dig his own tomb.