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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1075 on: May 11, 2016, 01:13:50 PM »
Just think why there would have been? It is an office building, not the Fort Knox. Why all the cameras? There is no reason, but when these apes read that police was confiscated all the cameras from the area, foil hat heads start to spin. There is news every day how police has find criminals or evidence about their moves from the security recordings, so why it is like that? Because it is a basic police work everywhere in the world.

Ropo, you do not bring anything new to the discussion, Ozmo tried, but like always, I already OWNED him right away, you? You are just some bothersome loser too stupid to understand that you are not wanted here or anywhere in Getbig anymore, got it?

Make it interesting, create good posts presenting new evidence that supports the official goverment side so I can debunk it, ok? Not long paragraphs regurgitating what we already cover.

Until then


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« Reply #1076 on: May 11, 2016, 01:19:08 PM »
Ropo, you do not bring anything new to the discussion, Ozmo tried, but like always, I already OWNED him right away, you? You are just some bothersome loser too stupid to understand that you are not wanted here or anywhere in Getbig anymore, got it?

Make it interesting, create good posts presenting new evidence that supports the official goverment side so I can debunk it, ok? Not long paragraphs regurgitating what we already cover.

Until then



Thats not how it works numbnuts, you claim conspiracy, you claim explosions, the burden of proof is on you sir.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1077 on: May 11, 2016, 01:29:58 PM »
Ropo, you do not bring anything new to the discussion, Ozmo tried, but like always, I already OWNED him right away, you? You are just some bothersome loser too stupid to understand that you are not wanted here or anywhere in Getbig anymore, got it?

Make it interesting, create good posts presenting new evidence that supports the official goverment side so I can debunk it, ok? Not long paragraphs regurgitating what we already cover.

Until then



You didn't own anything, there are failures in those too.  but you must grapple these first:

These are things YOU claimed and they have been shown to be WRONG:

Fact:  Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact:  it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact:  There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11


this is not going away    :D

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1078 on: May 11, 2016, 01:37:03 PM »
Thats not how it works numbnuts, you claim conspiracy, you claim explosions, the burden of proof is on you sir.

this guy is obviously a kid

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1079 on: May 11, 2016, 01:39:44 PM »
Thats not how it works numbnuts, you claim conspiracy, you claim explosions, the burden of proof is on you sir.

We already have cover this, how much more do you need? Would you like for me to get into Government and open an investigation into 9/11? We have presented science, footage of witnesses on that day, engineers & architects who go against the official story, etc.

We were having a good discussion on the Pentagon until this idiot derailed the thread again(Ropo). This is what the thread is all about, discussion and putting up new information, videos, photos, on both sides, not just ours. But I'm tired of regurgitating the same discussions over and over again.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1080 on: May 11, 2016, 01:43:59 PM »
this guy is obviously a kid

Hey Ozmo, you did have a good post going on, too bad you derailed quickly with your hypocrisy. Had you gone with the pictures alone I would have played nice.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1081 on: May 11, 2016, 02:16:42 PM »
For the official story to be true there would have to be dozens upon dozens of coincidences that day.  It's bizarre really.  Thermite was most definitely used, it was found in the dust particles everywhere.  It was responsible for the pools of molten steel firefighters saw at ground zero, responsible for the pyroclastic flow seen as the buildings were imploded, responsible for the charred cars, buses, etc in the area from the extreme heat it produced.  You know what magically survived the heat though??? Mohammad Attas passport.  Really?? The steel was quickly removed and sent off to China to destroy the evidence. Those buildings were designed to withstand multiple impacts from jets such as on 9/11.  IF there was a structural failure, then they were designed so only a section of the building would fall.  There were unprecedented "power downs" for weeks leading up to 9/11, bomb sniffing dogs were no longer allowed in the towers, but all these things are just a coincidence according to the shills.  No... It adds up to a big fuckin conspiracy, a "New Pearl Harbor" that Bush, Cheney, and co.  needed as a pretext for war in the Middle East.  Bin Laden outright denied any involvement in the attacks.  Iraq had nothing to do with it either.  Here we are today still fighting because of the bullshit story fed to us on 9/11. 

This is a good paragraph adding old and new information for good points of discussion. Like the passport, how could it had survived the crash and better yet be found all the way down in the street? That get's you thinking.

Why did they ship the steel to China at a loss back then? Why did the Goverment not keep it as evidence for forensics?

Maintenance crews coming in and out the towers prior 9/11, well documented, why was that never investigated? or why were the bomb sniffing dogs pulled?

 And why did the commission did not text for explosives since those are directives from the National Fire Protection Standards Manual that were never followed by NIST or FEMA for the fires they claim caused all 3 WTC Buildings to collapse.

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« Reply #1082 on: May 11, 2016, 02:18:38 PM »
This is a good paragraph adding old and new information for good points of discussion. Like the passport, how could it had survived the crash and better yet be found all the way down in the street? That get's you thinking.

Why did they ship the steel to China at a loss back then? Why did the Goverment not keep it as evidence for forensics?

Maintenance crews coming in and out the towers prior 9/11, well documented, why was that never investigated? or why were the bomb sniffing dogs pulled?

 And why did the commission did not text for explosives since those are directives from the National Fire Protection Standards Manual that were never followed by NIST or FEMA for the fires they claim caused all 3 WTC Buildings to collapse.

maybe because there was no suspicion of bombs being present?

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1083 on: May 11, 2016, 02:45:29 PM »
This back and forth has become nauseating.  Unless any of you have access to secret docs sealed by the president, none of us will ever get the truth.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1084 on: May 11, 2016, 03:16:01 PM »
Hey Ozmo, you did have a good post going on, too bad you derailed quickly with your hypocrisy. Had you gone with the pictures alone I would have played nice.

Until you address these nothing changes  ;)

These are things YOU claimed and they have been shown to be WRONG:

Fact:  Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact:  it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact:  There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11


this is not going away     :D

PS: I don't really care what you do either way.  You are a dumb ass.  You are too stupid to have a reasonable discussion with.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1085 on: May 11, 2016, 03:18:58 PM »
This back and forth has become nauseating.  Unless any of you have access to secret docs sealed by the president, none of us will ever get the truth.

What's not true, is a missile hitting the pentagon or the WTC's pre-wired with explosives.  That's a complete fantasy.

What's reasonably plausible:

Prior knowledge of the attack

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1086 on: May 11, 2016, 03:33:32 PM »

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/64114756/the-psychology-of-conspiracy-belief

The psychology of conspiracy belief

You don't have to be mad to create conspiracy theories, but it certainly helps, new research suggests.

Just believing in them indicates you are more likely to be paranoid or mentally ill, a Victoria University study shows.

Widely held conspiracy theories range from harmless ones, such as the belief that the Moon landings were faked, to more dangerous delusions such as the one in Nigeria that polio vaccines were a Western plot to sterilise people. That led to vaccination crews being murdered and thousands dying from disease.

Clinical psychologist Darshani Kumareswaran is delving in to the psychology of conspiracy belief, and has found some believers are likely to endorse far-fetched plots in an effort to make sense of chaotic situations beyond their control.

Kumareswaran, who graduated from Victoria with a PhD in psychology this week, wanted to find out what made people more likely to believe in, or come up with, conspiracy theories - and whether the process was linked to mental illness.

Avid conspiracy theorists can put themselves under intense psychological strain with their tendency towards paranoid thinking and delusional beliefs, causing mental strain even when a conspiracy theory turns out to be a verified plot.

She also looked behind the common public image of the conspiracy theorist as a crackpot.

Despite evidence of verified conspiracies, such as the Watergate scandal, the public viewed conspiracy theorists in as negative a light as they did convicted criminals, she said.

"For the label to be so negatively rated by the public is quite a powerful finding."

Study participants were asked to recall a situation in which they had no control, describe it in detail, and write it down. They were then put in a "psychological space" in which they felt powerlessness and were given 24 pictures that looked like snowy television screens.

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Half featured obscured objects such as a chair or tent, the other half nothing.

Those who scored highly on a form of psychopathology known as schizotypy were more likely to see an object in the images where there was none, indicating they were more likely to make connections between unrelated things.

"I also found that someone who creates conspiracy theories is more likely to have some form of psychopathology, or mental illness such as paranoid thinking, compared to those who believe in conspiracy theories but do not create them, or people who do not believe in them at all," she said.

Psychology professor Marc Wilson said the research countered the common stereotype that people who believed conspiracy theories were characterised by extreme paranoia.

"The relationship between psychopathology and paranoia is quite weak. The really interesting thing is that people tend to assume that paranoia is a root cause of conspiracy when it isn't the smoking gun," he said.

Wayan Rosie is a member of the Fluoride Action Network, a lobby group whose critics accuse it of promoting the conspiracy theory that fluoridated water is an unsafe method of mass medication.

Rosie does not believe fluoride is put in the water supply as a form of mind control, or to keep the population docile, but he is suspicious about why it is used here when much of Europe's water is fluoride-free.

He said Kumareswaran's research rang true. "People can get hung up on these conspiracy theories and they can become paranoid and suspicious - I know lots of people who believe in conspiracy theories and they end up like that."

Vicki Hyde, former chair-entity of the New Zealand Skeptics, cited a catalogue of 2000 people whose belief in conspiracy theories had caused a catalogue of suffering including death, prosecution, imprisonment, disease and poverty.

"There's a correlation between fragile mental states and the cultural context of conspiracy theories - being paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you, but in most cases they really really aren't.

"Occasionally conspiracy theories may be true, so you need to be vigilant - but not so much that you put your mental health at risk. It needs balance."

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1087 on: May 11, 2016, 03:37:48 PM »
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/64114756/the-psychology-of-conspiracy-belief

A Psychological Profile of Conspiracy Theorists

A few years back, I was startled and dismayed when, over lunch, a friend told me he had come to believe that the 9/11 attacks were “an inside job.” This highly intelligent and accomplished man was convinced that the official explanation of that day’s terrorist attacks was a hoax. No amount of evidence to the contrary could convince him otherwise.

How did this happen? It’s impossible to say for certain, but he is far from alone: A 2014 study concluded that half of Americans believe at least one conspiracy theory. There has been plenty of research in recent years attempting to discover what leads people to trust in these often-outlandish, highly problematic narratives. While the results suggest the answer is not simple, a newly published paper provides some valuable insights.

The research looks at two elements that have been cited as playing a role in conspiracy beliefs: unstable self-esteem (the uncomfortable state of feeling unsure about one’s abilities, attitudes, or value to society), and a strong sense of belongingness (which leads to intense identification with some social group). The study finds that these two factors are indeed strong predictors of such a mindset — when they interact in a specific way.

Participants who were feeling uncertain about themselves “experienced stronger conspiracy beliefs following messages of inclusion, as opposed to exclusion.”

The self-uncertainty inspires a strong desire to make sense of an often-random world; the feeling of solidarity means you want to protect not only yourself, but “your people,” from outside menace. Put these elements together, and you get not garden-variety paranoia (“He is out to get me”), but rather its larger-scale version (“They are out to get us”).

Psychologist Jan-Willem van Prooijen offers this hybrid theory in the European Journal of Social Psychology. He describes two experiments that provide evidence backing up his assertion.
In the first, the participants — 84 university undergraduates — began by responding to a series of statements designed to measure their overall level of self-esteem, and the extent to which it fluctuates from day to day.
They were then asked to imagine themselves two decades into the future. Half were instructed to envision “a future where they had a long and lasting relationship” and plenty of friends. The others imagined “a future where their life partner had left them years earlier,” and their friends had deserted them.

Finally, participants were asked to complete a purportedly unrelated study of their views on world events — specifically, climate change, and the NATO intervention in Libya. They were asked conspiracy-related questions such as “To what extent do you believe NATO has a hidden agenda,” and “Do you believe governments deliberately withhold information about global warming?”
The researchers report that thoughts of strong social connection “led to stronger conspiracy beliefs … but only among people who score high on self-uncertainty.”

For the second study, 81 undergraduates were asked “to remember a situation in their own life where they felt really certain, or uncertain, about themselves.” After undergoing the same manipulation (which created feelings of isolation or belongingness), they were asked conspiracy-related questions about the activities of the major oil companies, as well as the 2008 financial crisis.

The results were the same: Participants who were feeling uncertain about themselves “experienced stronger conspiracy beliefs following messages of inclusion, as opposed to exclusion.”
So the cliche of the conspiracy theorist as an isolated individual who has spent too much time in solitary rumination appears to be mistaken. Rather, these results “suggest that conspiracy beliefs actually emerge from social motives — namely, a genuine concern for other people that are victimized, endangered, deceived, or otherwise threatened,” van Prooijen writes.
“It can be concluded that sometimes — that is, when experiencing self-uncertainty — feelings of inclusion breed suspicion.”

Findings is a daily column by Pacific Standard staff writer Tom Jacobs, who scours the psychological-research journals to discover new insights into human behavior, ranging from the origins of our political beliefs to the cultivation of creativity.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1088 on: May 11, 2016, 03:41:25 PM »
Even more of foil hat bullshit? Is that really all you have? And again, just claims and shit? Way to go, if your main purpose is prove that you are complete moron.

Proof this Ropo the retarded inbreed is just trolling us again, tries to sound smart but gets owned dearly.

The video is a joke you imbecile, is using sarcasm on how to became an expert 9/11 debunker of CT's, but because you are here only to troll us, you get exposed and  you are too stupid to realize it.

Live on moron!!!! Ozmo, I hope you do a better job than him.


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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1089 on: May 11, 2016, 03:42:25 PM »
Proof this Ropo the retarded inbreed is just trolling us again, tries to sound smart but gets owned dearly.

The video is a joke you imbecile, is using sarcasm on how to became an expert 9/11 debunker of CT's, but because you are here only to troll us, you get exposed and  you are too stupid to realize it.

Live on moron!!!! Ozmo, I hope you do a better job than him.



These are 3 of many things YOU claimed and they have been shown to be WRONG:

Fact:  Bush wasn't talking about WTC's being pre-wired with explosives
Fact:  it wasn't 19 goat shephards
Fact:  There are discussions and studies art colleges of why the WTCs failed on 9/11


this is not going away      :D

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1090 on: May 11, 2016, 03:50:57 PM »
maybe because there was no suspicion of bombs being present?

Present? No of course, although they were high risk buildings, remember the terrorist attempt in '93, and  the coincidence they pull them 6 week prior 9/11, but because the building were leased by Larry Silverstein, maybe he was trying to save some money because he already knew all the millions of dollars he would have to spend removing all the asbestos from the towers. Don't forget the Zionist Jews control security as well, they knew and controlled who came and went in and out.

Who knows right? Many questions, not that many answers.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1091 on: May 11, 2016, 04:01:39 PM »
Federal government routinely hires internet trolls, shills to monitor chat rooms, disrupt article comment sections

Of course, the same type of online patrolling by the government is also happening in the U.S., particularly from the CIA and its infamous In-Q-Tel program. At a 2012 summit, former CIA director David Petraeus essentially admitted that the CIA has a covert online presence that it uses not only for data mining purposes but also to infiltrate online conversations for the purpose of protecting "national security" interests. Such interests, it turns out, include disrupting conversations that discuss topics like 9/11 truth, for instance, or U.S. involvement in giving weapons to Syrian rebels.

According to Occupy Corporatism, the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA), which was recently exposed by American hero and whistleblower Edward Snowden for its illegal surveillance programs, has devised a training program that literally scouts out hackers from American colleges and universities and recruits them to work for the government. Among the many duties sought from those enrolled in the National Centers of Academic Excellence in the Cyber Operations Program are "collection, exploitation, and response" activities to take place in the online environment.

"These 'cyber operators' are trained to become an elite team of 'computer geniuses' that are experts in computer hacking, digital communications, cyber intelligence -- for the purpose of spying on Americans, as well as conducting interactive digital psy-ops with users of the internet," explains Occupy Corporatism about the program.

You can view the actual NSA announcement admitting this here:
http://www.nsa.gov

http://www.naturalnews.com/042093_internet_trolls_chat_rooms_federal_government.html

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1092 on: May 11, 2016, 04:03:06 PM »
This is next up.  I want us to see whether it is true or false.



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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1093 on: May 11, 2016, 04:44:30 PM »
maybe because there was no suspicion of bombs being present?

The dogs routinely went through the towers.... All of a sudden they weren't allowed in, along with the power downs, do the math.  Christ it's plain as day the towers were rigged for controlled demo.

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1094 on: May 11, 2016, 05:21:08 PM »
The dogs routinely went through the towers.... All of a sudden they weren't allowed in, along with the power downs, do the math.  Christ it's plain as day the towers were rigged for controlled demo.
You've not proven any of that. All heresay....like jow I had lunch with bigfoot on a UFO today. ::)
Liar!!!!Filt!!!!

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1095 on: May 11, 2016, 05:43:08 PM »

Where is the video about the explosions at the WTC towers?

9/11 BOMBS in Tower Core When 1st Plane Hit


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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1096 on: May 11, 2016, 06:55:17 PM »
And just for the record.

I do support another investigation into 9/11.  As do some 50% of the people do in polls.

but i am pretty sure the vast majority of them don't believe the WTC's where pre-wired or a missile hit the pentagon.

they suspect, as i do, some people needed to lose their jobs or go to jail because of their failures leading to or on 9/11

Investigation done by who lol.

And flight 93 was definitely and airplane and definitely shot down by fighter jets there were body parts strewn all over the ground for miles before the plane impact.

And didn't Donald rumfsfeld (sp) slip that out by accident a while back...?

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1097 on: May 11, 2016, 07:09:40 PM »
You guys should watch the series  from the video below.

They investigated the group of Israelly artist that were at the twin towers before 9/11, remember the gelatin pictures? Turn out, they were there for 4 years!!! And they gather up  other evidence on them, very interesting videos.

911 - Hollow Towers part 1



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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1098 on: May 11, 2016, 08:50:00 PM »
Here's a nice video summary:



All just coincidence I suppose.
Bush and Rumsfeld both fuck up... There is only one video of the AA flight hitting the first tower, and it wasn't shown on TV that day, but Bush claims he watched the first plane hit the tower...
Rumsfeld states 'They shot down flight 93 over Pennsylvania."  Probably just a slip of the tongue for both of them right?  No big deal..

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Re: rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?
« Reply #1099 on: May 11, 2016, 10:07:30 PM »
The dogs routinely went through the towers.... All of a sudden they weren't allowed in, along with the power downs, do the math.  Christ it's plain as day the towers were rigged for controlled demo.

the trolling in this thread is getting weaker page by page.