rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?

[Las Vegas]

I've got to ask, now, lilhawk.  Do you believe the images were added to that footage?  Where do you say the missile was launched from?

[OzmO]

Wrong. Look at any plane crash, even nose dives.  There is always debris.  Where are the massive engines?  You can't have it both ways... You claim the jet was so strong to penetrate the rings of the Pentagon, but yet there is no wreckage?  Which one is it, can't be both... So strong to penetrate, but then just vaporized? 

In the previous pages of this thread those questions have been answered with links and pics by me and others.  I will link them tomorrow or Monday. 

[lilhawk1]

I agree.  It absolutely freaks me out to see how low it was.  

I say, though, when you look at the break and look at the people for scale, you'll see that the engine bottoms may have been nearly 10 feet up.

Well that's impossible for the hole to be that low to the ground on the Pentagon then....Absolutely impossible.

[illuminati]

Dude I can't answer for the  news station.  I can tell you that news stories occasionally get miss reported especially during a chaotic event.  What I can also tell you is that this particular charge or question you have is irrelevant to a CT in that there is no point to it.  

Again we are clearly agreed on news stations getting things wrong.

Only they didn't get it wrong - They Broadcast a Building as being Collapsed 20 mins before it did Fall Down.

Again your with the CT thing -- I explained my Thoughts.

It's a relevant question & requires a clear answer.

You Stated to another Poster You would Explain & Clear up anything they asked 1 at a time.

I asked 7 Questions & you haven't Been Able to Satisfactorily answer 1 -- The easiest one according to you.

Clearly it is not that easy.

[Las Vegas]

Is not the goverment, is the people involved in the Government at the highest level, two different things. They tell you goverment doesn't work, what they don't tell you is that they go into goverment and destroy it and then go and say "See goverment doesn't work" examples: 9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan, the crash of 2008, Syria, Lybia, etc.

Great post

[thebrink]

Just look at his name(Oldtimer), biggest generation of dupes.

It's because they've been conditioned for so long. Younger generation is snapping out of it and media brainwashing is coming to an end.

[thebrink]

Great post

This is so true. Which makes things all the more doable because of compartmentalization and plausible deniability. Lots of good honest folk in goverment just a few rotten to the core neo cons.

[M4tad0r]

I've got to ask, now, lilhawk.  Do you believe the images were added to that footage?  Where do you say the missile was launched from?

Dimitri Khalezov

Watch the whole video, out all the hypothesis, he's the one that so far makes the most sense, suposly they could have lunched a missile with the form of a plane from the sea, a submarine probably? The point that he was making to back it up is that they sent two fighter jet to patrol to the Atlantic ocean right after the incident which it can be seen in the documentary 9/11 The New Pearl Harbor.

Some examples:



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[Las Vegas]

Well that's impossible for the hole to be that low to the ground on the Pentagon then....Absolutely impossible.

No, this is where it's said the plane entered:



That section of facade then fell down approximately 20 minutes later:



That is a dark tree to the right of it in the picture, btw, lest someone think it is more damage.

The small hole you're thinking of, is two rings in (C-Ring) and it is a little more mysterious.  But no one claims a plane body went through it, though, and that's where the confusion is.

Here's that one:

[thebrink]

Paranoid much?   

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Suffering from low self esteem?

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Feeling a lack of control?

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Feeling like you need to belong to a larger group?

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once again running to another subject like a typical cowardly CT'er.   Backpeddler  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

You still haven't completed your challenge yet.

Although you pussed out like a discarded bitch on 2 of 3 of them.

Like i said, i don't really care what you do.  You are one of the most stupid people i have ever dealt with regarding CT's.  Your maturity level is that of a low self esteem 15 year old boy barricaded in his mom's basement.

I don't understand so you are saying government does not hire misinformation contractors??

To my understanding they do...

[M4tad0r]

I think you are wrong on that one, srry. I was referring to Vegas picture.

[M4tad0r]

I don't understand so you are saying government does not hire misinformation contractors??

To my understanding they do...

[M4tad0r]

Hey Vegas look at the sign that says "No parking at any time"

So the picture is from the inside.

[lilhawk1]

Watch this video... Tell me there wasn't a stand down order that day from Dickhead Cheney....

Oops... 9/11 commissioner slips up..listen close now

Interesting...wonder why this never aired again

How can any sane person watch this one and think a plane made this nice neat small hole.

[Las Vegas]

This is so true. Which makes things all the more doable because of compartmentalization and plausible deniability. Lots of good honest folk in goverment just a few rotten to the core neo cons.

I believe this is why the effort went into communicating "conspiracy theorist" = "bad" (do they mean prosecutors?  because they spend their entire lives being conspiracy theorists)  CIA started doing it about the time of the JFK hit.

It is actually quite sad, when you think about it.  But if it costs us our Constitution, then it should make people very angry.  At that point, though, it will be too late.

[lilhawk1]

No, this is where it's said the plane entered:



That section of facade then fell down approximately 20 minutes later:



That is a dark tree to the right of it in the picture, btw, lest someone think it is more damage.

The small hole you're thinking of, is two rings in (C-Ring) and it is a little more mysterious.  But no one claims a plane body went through it, though, and that's where the confusion is.

Here's that one:

The hole is from a missile with a penetrating warhead.....period.  The fuselage of the plane cannot do that.. The hole is too small, it's at the base of the building.  The fuselage would have fallen apart when it hit the outside of the building.  The engines would have hit the ground long before the plane reached the building.  It's very simple....There was no plane.  For reference look how small the sign is on the building.....now compare it to a jet and you get the idea how small the hole is...that's not from a plane.

[Las Vegas]

Hey Vegas look at the sign that says "No parking at any time"

So the picture is from the inside.

Yes, it is a street.  Not sure if they've changed that since then, but that's the way it was at that time.

That hole has been attributed to the nose-cone by some, others say an engine, and others say landing gear (IMO the landing gear is what caused it).

I'd like to get something to confirm that it was cut in that shape after the fact, though.  But I believe it would be standard procedure to secure hazards like that.

[M4tad0r]

The hole is from a missile with a penetrating warhead.....period.  The fuselage of the plane cannot do that.. The hole is too small, it's at the base of the building.  The fuselage would have fallen apart when it hit the outside of the building.  The engines would have hit the ground long before the plane reached the building.  It's very simple....There was no plane.  For reference look how small the sign is on the building.....now compare it to a jet and you get the idea how small the hole is...that's not from a plane.

Pictures of the lawn which make hard to believe that flight 77 a Boeing 757-223 crashed into the Pentagon at the level that it did.

[Las Vegas]

The hole is from a missile with a penetrating warhead.....period.  The fuselage of the plane cannot do that.. The hole is too small, it's at the base of the building.  The fuselage would have fallen apart when it hit the outside of the building.  The engines would have hit the ground long before the plane reached the building.  It's very simple....There was no plane.  For reference look how small the sign is on the building.....now compare it to a jet and you get the idea how small the hole is...that's not from a plane.

No, no one claims that as being from the body.  People claim that it could not be from the body, so somehow we're supposed to reason-out that others are making the opposing claim in the first place.  But they're not.

No, it's said to be from a heavy part.  But if you believe it's from a warhead, and especially if you find evidence to say the hole remained untouched from the hit, then I'd advise you to study that footage for signs of missile fire.  I wouldn't blame you at all for doing that.

[lilhawk1]

The landing gear did not cause that hole.  It's perfectly round, are landing gear going to creat a nice round hole?  No.  The nose of the plane could not have done it either because the engines would have hit the ground long before the plane hit the building.  Why do you refuse to accept the fact it was a missile?  I'm not being a smart ass either.  It's the only explanation.. Think about it:  plane could not fly that low or at that speed, engines would have hit the ground, completely incompetent pilot, not even an experienced pilot could do that, no debris, only one shitty camera angle of the most secure building in existence, stand down order from Dickhead Cheney, this plane hit 45 minutes after the towers were struck, 45 minutes...It would have been shot down.. Slip ups from Cheney, Rumsfeld, others saying missile hit the building, penetrated 4 rings of pentagon, perfectly round, small hole.  This is just a few of the things proving missile.

[Las Vegas]

The landing gear did not cause that hole.  It's perfectly round, are landing gear going to creat a nice round hole?  No.  The nose of the plane could not have done it either because the engines would have hit the ground long before the plane hit the building.  Why do you refuse to accept the fact it was a missile?  I'm not being a smart ass either.  It's the only explanation.. Think about it:  plane could not fly that low or at that speed, engines would have hit the ground, completely incompetent pilot, not even an experienced pilot could do that, no debris, only one shitty camera angle of the most secure building in existence, stand down order from Dickhead Cheney, this plane hit 45 minutes after the towers were struck, 45 minutes...It would have been shot down.. Slip ups from Cheney, Rumsfeld, others saying missile hit the building, penetrated 4 rings of pentagon, perfectly round, small hole.  This is just a few of the things proving missile.

I am very interested in the thought of a missile being fired from the plane.  When you consider how important it would be to blend all damage (for those with me in the plane theory), it could only make sense to say it would be fired that way, with all due respect to the above which Matador posted.

But the fact is that hazards are among the first things handled in situations like this, and if that hole was jagged and threatening, then it would have been cut to look exactly as you see it.

[Las Vegas]

But if that hole is as-is, then I'd be highly suspicious.

[Las Vegas]

Something to think about, is that it only makes sense to say the internet is deliberately flooded with pseudo-conspiracy nonsense by those who would want to cast the belief that "conspiracy theorist = bad".  Of course.

[Las Vegas]

So watch what you back, bros.  Be careful what you endorse.

[M4tad0r]

The landing gear did not cause that hole.  It's perfectly round, are landing gear going to creat a nice round hole?  No.  The nose of the plane could not have done it either because the engines would have hit the ground long before the plane hit the building.  Why do you refuse to accept the fact it was a missile?  I'm not being a smart ass either.  It's the only explanation.. Think about it:  plane could not fly that low or at that speed, engines would have hit the ground, completely incompetent pilot, not even an experienced pilot could do that, no debris, only one shitty camera angle of the most secure building in existence, stand down order from Dickhead Cheney, this plane hit 45 minutes after the towers were struck, 45 minutes...It would have been shot down.. Slip ups from Cheney, Rumsfeld, others saying missile hit the building, penetrated 4 rings of pentagon, perfectly round, small hole.  This is just a few of the things proving missile.

That's the thing, once the second plane hit, they were talking about a terrorists attack all over the news, so you are going to tell me the best and most defended building in the United States got exposed like that specially having an air defense system? 45 min? When it takes 10 to 15 min to scramble jet fighters?

The best part is that not only did the officer in charged that day did not get demoted or fired in the military, they got promoted. Talking about an inside job. But according to certain individual here it was all coincidence.

Who was responsible for these “failures” and who got promoted?

One major failure was the fact that none of aircraft involved in the attacks were intercepted, despite routine procedure.  On 9/11, according to Laura Brown of the FAA, “Within minutes after the first aircraft hit the World Trade Center, the FAA immediately established several phone bridges that included FAA field facilities, the FAA Command Center, FAA headquarters, DOD [meaning the NMCC in the Department of Defense], the Secret Service… The US Air Force liaison to the FAA immediately joined the FAA headquarters phone bridge and established contact with NORAD… The FAA shared real-time information on the phone bridges about the unfolding events, including information about loss of communication with aircraft, loss of transponder signals, unauthorized changes in course, and other actions being taken by all the flights of interest.”[12]

http://arabesque911.blogspot.nl/2007/11/911-incompetence-sabotage-and.html#_edn10