rare 9/11 footage, how was this unseen for so long?

[OzmO]

Facts with logic, then why did they? Your answer: error in their part.

How come: your answer, error in their part.

A person come from behind you, and suddenly you are missing your wallet, you grab  the person and accuse him of stealing it,

He answers: error in you part, there is millions of people in the world, why would I steal you wallet?

You tell him: Let me search you?

He says: whatever you find, just coincidence.

Sounds familiar?

1.  Who informed the news station?  

2.  Or was it a misreport by the news station?

#1 makes no sense to do if WTC was going down anyway (because they planned to demolish it and cover it up)

[OzmO]

Why do you think there is this strong movement then?

Most people have very poor critical thinking skills.  also there are Moonbots movement about the moon landing, even flat earthers, people who think Queen Elizabeth is a reptile.

I have also posted 3 articfles about CT'ers here and why they seems to exists.

The educated people after looking at the evidence have ask them self, how could a steel frame skyscraper that was lease to the same person as the twin towers succumbed to fire after only 8 hours that day AND was the only building affected in such manner? How could office fires reached such temperatures? Why did Nist never released their models and calculation for peer review and to this day have turn down all Foia's request?

Nothing wrong with asking questions. 
Again, personal attacks between you and I aside, I do think there should be another investagation.  I have said several times on CT forum dating back since before it was created.  (please don't ask me dig those up, ask 240 if you don't believe me.)

But once the impossible is ruled out (meaning that main stream science, many independent studies at places like, Northwestern, Purdue, MIT and Stanford) agree that what likely happened at 9/11 and the abcence of other tangible (no rhetorical or flawed logic) evidence of a missile at the pentagon, and wired WTCs then the truther contention is invalid.

Was any other building affected in a similar manner? If not how come?

We can see the Deuctche Bank Building standing after the collapse of the Twin towers. That building was right behind and some how survided scott free. Wheren't the condition worst for that building as the twin tower were coming down?

How come no other buliding was cought in a masive fire as WTC 7?





The only flaw logic here is from the Government Dick Riders  that when confronted with facts, start insulting, lying, and try to change the direction of the conversation just like women do. Are you wearing your tampons today? Apparently not.

Because there were different things affecting those buildings that those of the ones that fell.  namely:  size and damage

[M4tad0r]

Playing the jumping game again I see.

It fell on its foot print = DEBUNKED.

It fell at free fall speed therefore it had to be a controlled demolition = DEBUNKED

Do you or any other CT'er have a another argument that challanges the official report or other independent reports on WTC 7 that say it wasn't a controlled demolition?

Do you or any other CT'er have an evidence that shows WTC 7 was pre-wired with explosives and set off 8 hours after the WTC's 1-2?

WTC 7: What does that picture tell you? Does that look to you debunked? Serious question.

[OzmO]

I find it highly unusual that they report on a building coming down 20mins before it actually did.
We're any other building reported as falling down before they had.

They didn't report WTC 1 & 2 coming as being down 20 mins before each did.
Oh I know the WTC 1&2 were much bigger buildings That They Could easily See & they didn't know which tiny little building WTC 7 was. Not Really Likely is it.

No we clearly do not agree.
It's not a satisfactory answer.

Thanks for trying to answer.
I will wait for your answers to the other 6 questions.
Hopefully we can find agreement with some or all of them.

I don't see it as something we haven't seen in other instances on other events before.  

But fair enough we don't agree.

I have my hands full right now with WTC 7 and the Pentagon with 2-3 other posters right now.  Hopefully i can get to yoru other questions soon.  Sorry, got to actually do work sometimes to get paid at my job. lol

[M4tad0r]

Most people have very poor critical thinking skills.  also there are Moonbots movement about the moon landing, even flat earthers, people who think Queen Elizabeth is a reptile.

I have also posted 3 articfles about CT'ers here and why they seems to exists.


Nothing wrong with asking questions.  
Again, personal attacks between you and I aside, I do think there should be another investagation.  I have said several times on CT forum dating back since before it was created.  (please don't ask me dig those up, ask 240 if you don't believe me.)

But once the impossible is ruled out (meaning that main stream science, many independent studies at places like, Northwestern, Purdue, MIT and Stanford) agree that what likely happened at 9/11 and the abcence of other tangible (no rhetorical or flawed logic) evidence of a missile at the pentagon, and wired WTCs then the truther contention is invalid.

What size and damage do yo speak of? The Deutsche Bank building was right behind the twin towers, WTC 7 was accross WTC 5 & 6 and the street.

[OzmO]

WTC 7: What does that picture tell you? Does that look to you debunked? Serious question.

That's another flawed logic question.  You are asking question that excludes all the other info, facts and evidence of WTC 7 and determines its answer on 1 single pic.

If that was the only pic in existence before or after, and there wasn't testimony of firefighters, nor reports and other photos of damage of the building, nor did it get struck by debris from a 110 story building, and there wasn't damage from surround buildings from WTC 7, and there was other tangible evidence of WTC 7 being pre-wired, and there was a challenge by main stream civil and structural engineers and scientists, etc. i wouldn't have said it was debunked.

[OzmO]

What size and damage do yo speak of? The Deutsche Bank building was right behind the twin towers, WTC 7 was accross WTC 5 & 6 and the street.

I am talking about size of building and damage to building. I also should add design and construction materials.

This one right?

[M4tad0r]

I am talking about size of building and damage to building. I also should add design and construction materials.

This one right?

Exactly

Serious question, how come that building did not caught on fire? But WTC 7 that was across 2 buidlings and the street did from debris from the twin towers?

Could it be somebody started that fire instead of the debris that came down from the twin towers?

[Tapeworm]

They're tracking this thread.  I recommend everyone stop posting in it immediately, delete your accounts, and never log in again.

[illuminati]

Exactly

Serious question, how come that building did not caught on fire? But WTC 7 that was across 2 buidlings and the street did from debris from the twin towers?

Could it be somebody started that fire instead of the debris that came down from the twin towers?

Hmmm Yes
Makes for an interesting question & no doubt an even more interesting answer.

Building right behind WTC Still standing & Looks remarkably undamaged in the pic.
Stays standing & doesn't look to be gutted by fire.

Building further away & across the street destroyed by falling debris & Fire.

Ok ..... Waiting to Hear this one explained.

[OzmO]

Exactly

Serious question, how come that building did not caught on fire? But WTC 7 that was across 2 buildings and the street did from debris from the twin towers?

Could it be somebody started that fire instead of the debris that came down from the twin towers?

Hmmm Yes
Makes for an interesting question & no doubt an even more interesting answer.

Building right behind WTC Still standing & Looks remarkably undamaged in the pic.
Stays standing & doesn't look to be gutted by fire.

Building further away & across the street destroyed by falling debris & Fire.

Ok ..... Waiting to Hear this one explained.

Sure in the pure sense of "is it possible", of course.  

But again you are using flawed logic.  Specifically if A happens to B that results in C, Then if A happens to X it should result in C which is incorrect (flawed logic) because, A (the damage) isn't the same in these instances (WTC 7 Far more damage and different damage), nor is X (the bank) or B (WTC 7) are the same in these instances.  (apples and oranges in the same orchard)

And they are located in 2 different areas.



Its false logic like this and the other thing you said that is the foundation for persuasion. Its used in politics pretty much non stop.   Critical thinking blows past this BS.

Think about it, you could say the same thing about tornadoes, in that some houses remain while others are demolished in the tornadoes path.

[Ropo]

Watched an old Doc on the Manhattan Project. American's research and development of nuclear weapons. Of the over 125,000 people who worked on this project, no one ever leaked what was going on there. In fact, only a few dozen even knew what was really going on. It wasn't until American dropped two bombs on Japan that the people who worked there now knew what they helped create. That's why you have to laugh when people say there has to be hundreds if not thousands of people who would be in on 9/11 and know about it. The Manhattan Project tells us the exact opposite. It tells us that keeping a secret, a massive secret, is pretty easy for any Government...

Exactly how they would leaked in a top secret military base in the middle of the desert?  And for you it seem to be same to work to defeat your enemy and stop the world war, or rotten and criminal plan to kill +2000 American citizen with no reason at all? Your father must be proud of you, and it is sad that even your mother doesn't know who he is 

Let me give you a little hint how these secret plans are different? You see, at the Manhattan project engineers and true geniuses work to save American people from long lasting war and they were true patriots. What comes to foil hat morons and their conspiracy, they are traitors and should be shot as traitors. You spread your lies with no evidence at all, year after year not understanding that some day your name pop out from some security list, and then the amusement starts 

[Ropo]

Still waiting for one of the government shills here to prove that WTC 7 did not fall at free fall speed into its own footprint.  Good luck....The laws of physics still stand, even for that day believe it or not.. The 3rd building that day to defy the laws of physics.  Tell you what, we should be very afraid that at any time the laws of physics can possibly be suspended on any given day....what the hell are we going to do?

Just look at the video where you see the collapse of the penthouse, and time it your self, or look timer of the clip. It doesn't have anything to do with the free fall, when collapsing takes 14 seconds. Clip is posted in this thread at least three times already, and only morons hasn't seen it.

[OzmO]

Just look at the video where you see the collapse of the penthouse, and time it your self, or look timer of the clip. It doesn't have anything to do with the free fall, when collapsing takes 14 seconds. Clip is posted in this thread at least three times already, and only morons hasn't seen it.

Its pretty cut and dry.  Just like the "not enough debris at the pentagon" argument.

These charges have been revealed to be unfounded and debunked visually.

[OzmO]

Exactly how they would leaked in a top secret military base in the middle of the desert?  And for you it seem to be same to work to defeat your enemy and stop the world war, or rotten and criminal plan to kill +2000 American citizen with no reason at all? Your father must be proud of you, and it is sad that even your mother doesn't know who he is 

Let me give you a little hint how these secret plans are different? You see, at the Manhattan project engineers and true geniuses work to save American people from long lasting war and they were true patriots. What comes to foil hat morons and their conspiracy, they are traitors and should be shot as traitors. You spread your lies with no evidence at all, year after year not understanding that some day your name pop out from some security list, and then the amusement starts 

Another aspect to this is that all those working on the Manhattan project were placed there and understood (security clearances, non disclosure agreements, etc.) they were working on secret projects for the war effort. 

The people needed to pull of a 9/11 CT would have come from all sorts of normal backgrounds such air traffic controllers, fire fighters, engineers, terminal and gate attendants, air craft maintenance, janitors, night security guards who had already been working there for some time.

Its an very unrealistic argument.

[Ropo]

Something worth mentioning again (others already have) is that it is stunning to realize the plane was going that fast, and that low, without a trace to say it even touched the ground.  That is really crazy.  The left wing is said to have been clipped by the ground and lost before the building, but that must have happened in the fire area.

What plane? You mean American Airlines Flight 77? How exactly you would fly at the suicide mission, where you have to hit a building like Pentagon? High and slow? Would all your arguments be as crappy as this? Don't you have any kind of brains in your bulky head? No trace at all? Well if we overlook the half a  kilometer long path of smashed light poles and the marks at the lawn and fence, and the generator at the front of the building, you are right: there is no trace at all...but what kind of idiot would do something as stupid as that? You see, it is simply a lie that there were no trace at all, and the liars trust your stupidity knowing, that you don't even think to check the evidence by yourself. This is typical for foil hats, you just absorb any fucking crap without any thinking at all, no matter how ridiculous claims they feed to you.

And those planes are fast, easily 900kmh when you don't have to worry about the landing safely. Fastest speeds recorded before the crash has been 950kmh, and there were only some minor parts come of the plane before it hit the side of the mountain.

[Ropo]

Buildign 7


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Look closey whrere building 7 was and the Deutsche bank is. Black building to the left of twin towers,

 
Exposing Ozmo, my business.

Still ranting and denying obvious facts? Why all that crap, while you haven't been able to prove even the explosions in the WTC towers? It is clear that we doesn't see that day when you are able to do it, so how that feel? Tell with your own words? How it feels to be a brat who believe that ridiculous crap  without seeing any evidence at all? You have to know that claims in those videos doesn't prove nothing, because there is just claims. Where your facts are? In those ridiculous pictures, which once again, doesn't prove shit. WTC 7 is only of those buildings in your pictures, which is proved taken some serious damages during the collapse of the WTC 1. You don't find the truth by denying facts, little child, you should learn that. The foil hats are lying to you, and as a brainless child, you repeat their lies just as lamb should do. You don't have even single own thought in your narrow mind, all inside your head is some crap you have read from the foil hats web sites.

[Ropo]

How could they have guess or get wrong that the Solomon building was coming down in 20 mins before it did, unless the order was given to demolish such building?

This is a common sense answer. Not the tin foil hat bullshit fed to you by the Government. Ask any detective which version would make sense in a investigation, come back here with the answer.

Thank you in advance.

Well, the claim is just bullshit, it is easy as that. What do you think, in the situation like that, when all of the people are running like headless chickens and every news agency is in the battle to get the best parts of news, there is no one who could do a mistake? There is no possibility of an error, nothing what so ever? Every thing about this has been explained with details, but because you don't read anything else than foil hat lies, you can't know that. If we count how many foil hat lies has been revealed to be just lies, there must be hundreds or thousands of them, but on the other hand, there is 0 evidence to prove their claims. How fucking stupid man has to be if he still has a blind faith to this crap? Really?

[Las Vegas]

What plane? You mean American Airlines Flight 77? How exactly you would fly at the suicide mission, where you have to hit a building like Pentagon? High and slow? Would all your arguments be as crappy as this? Don't you have any kind of brains in your bulky head? No trace at all? Well if we overlook the half a  kilometer long path of smashed light poles and the marks at the lawn and fence, and the generator at the front of the building, you are right: there is no trace at all...but what kind of idiot would do something as stupid as that? You see, it is simply a lie that there were no trace at all, and the liars trust your stupidity knowing, that you don't even think to check the evidence by yourself. This is typical for foil hats, you just absorb any fucking crap without any thinking at all, no matter how ridiculous claims they feed to you.

And those planes are fast, easily 900kmh when you don't have to worry about the landing safely. Fastest speeds recorded before the crash has been 950kmh, and there were only some minor parts come of the plane before it hit the side of the mountain.

No, Ropo.  I wouldn't expect it to go 'slow'.  I hope that's not the first thought to come to your mind after reading that.

[lilhawk1]

Just look at the video where you see the collapse of the penthouse, and time it your self, or look timer of the clip. It doesn't have anything to do with the free fall, when collapsing takes 14 seconds. Clip is posted in this thread at least three times already, and only morons hasn't seen it.

You truly are stupid... There would never ever be a complete structural failure, ever.  Partial, asymmetrical collapse.  Part of it would still be standing... Yes, it fell at free fall speed.. No resistance from floors below.. Silverstein admitted the building was pulled... Architects, engineers, demolitions experts all agree it was controlled demo.. You know more than them though... Keep trying, you're in the minority that think the official bullshit story is accurate.. With your logic there is never a need for demolition anywhere, just start a few fires and boom!! Building falls in its own footprint... You should start a business, save people a ton of money... Just need a match and a little gasoline..

[lilhawk1]

Great job Ropo of proving controlled demo in your pic above with the link in the penthouse... Bravo... That is done in controlled demo so the structure falls in on itself.. Good job!!  If that truly was the case then that half of the building might crumble, but the other part of the building would still stand... Might God you're not very smart..

[lilhawk1]

Its pretty cut and dry.  Just like the "not enough debris at the pentagon" argument.

These charges have been revealed to be unfounded and debunked visually.

By who?  The official story?  9/11 report completely dismissed building 7.  Nothing has been debunked except the official story.. Everyone knows it's bullshit.  You are in the minority.

[M4tad0r]

You truly are stupid... There would never ever be a complete structural failure, ever.  Partial, asymmetrical collapse.  Part of it would still be standing... Yes, it fell at free fall speed.. No resistance from floors below.. Silverstein admitted the building was pulled... Architects, engineers, demolitions experts all agree it was controlled demo.. You know more than them though... Keep trying, you're in the minority that think the official bullshit story is accurate.. With your logic there is never a need for demolition anywhere, just start a few fires and boom!! Building falls in its own footprint... You should start a business, save people a ton of money... Just need a match and a little gasoline..

Hey Ropo, you should come here to the United States, land of the entrepreneurs, and start you own demolition business by fires.

Can you imaging such business? Cheapest demolition there is, don't have to spend money on explosives, jut light up fires to bring down steel frame skyscrapers.

[M4tad0r]

Well, the claim is just bullshit, it is easy as that. What do you think, in the situation like that, when all of the people are running like headless chickens and every news agency is in the battle to get the best parts of news, there is no one who could do a mistake? There is no possibility of an error, nothing what so ever? Every thing about this has been explained with details, but because you don't read anything else than foil hat lies, you can't know that. If we count how many foil hat lies has been revealed to be just lies, there must be hundreds or thousands of them, but on the other hand, there is 0 evidence to prove their claims. How fucking stupid man has to be if he still has a blind faith to this crap? Really?

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Ropo the retard keeps owning himself in full display. Now don't tell me this guy doesn't reek to Government Dick Rider Shill.

[Ropo]

Teen asshat vs reality? Just show me a 1 nose dive plane crash where is body of the passenger jet standing on the ground tail toward the sky? I bet that is from some cartoons, not from the real life. There is some similar crashes than flight 93, and there is always at least three similarities: 1. No large parts of the plane to be  found 2. Extremely large debris field 3. No whole bodies to be found. From flight 93, there were debris field with radius of 1.5 miles, and a lot of shreds of minced meat hanging in the trees. They gathered tons of parts of airplane from there, there is literally tons of evidence which proves flight 93 crash there, and only argument what the foil hat idiots have is: "I don't believe it." These morons are still waiting to see that cartoon plane standing on it's nose in the crater, and this simple fact reveals how stupid people we are dealing with. Dear foil hat morons, youtube is full of videos where different things have contact with high velocity and forces, but you can't understand any of that? There is video about the steel frame car which collide with the concrete block at the speed of 200kmh, and only thing without damages  is rear register plate. How the aluminum frame passenger jet would do with + 4 times that speed, when it has contact with ground after nose dive? Would it really stand in the hole in the sand on its' nose? Quite hard to believe  

Here is some examples about the same kind of nose dive crashes:

http://www.baaa-acro.com/2009/archives/crash-of-a-tupolev-tu-154-in-qazvin-168-killed/
http://www.baaa-acro.com/2016/archives/crash-of-a-boeing-737-8kn-in-rostov-on-don-61-killed/
http://www.baaa-acro.com/2015/archives/crash-of-a-cessna-650-citation-vii-in-guarda-mor-4-killed/
http://www.baaa-acro.com/2015/archives/crash-of-an-airbus-a320-211-near-digne-with-148-on-board/
http://www.baaa-acro.com/2014/archives/md-83-is-missing-over-mali-with-116-people-on-board/