PDI Will Rule in 3 Years - 2006

[Insider Z]

you're making yourself sound like an idiot...that doesn't even make sense.

What are MY personal beliefs, BTW...you don't you tell me?

Hey Chick,
how could you consider everyone an idiot just 'cause they don't want to be a Manion's puppet like you?

Insider Z

[Chick]

I consider you an idiot, given the fact you STILL won't answer the question I asked...

BTW..who was paying for the athletes insurance again?? I must have missed it...

[onlyme]

I really have some reservations about PDI making it.

For example take a look a Shawn Ray’s show, he is having trouble attracting top athletes and this is a sanctioned event.  The IFBB states that a card carrying Pro can’t enter and non-sanctioned event, so what kind of representation are they going to have on stage.  Even as it is now everybody is really dissapointed with shows that don't showcase top talent.  How many top tier pro's are joining PDI?  Hopes and wishes don't pay the bills.  Without the media supporting PDI, the athletes won't even land top dollar contracts because they just won't have the exposure needed.

Most of the Top Magazines are AMI owned and I can’t believe they are going to do anything to promote something that leads to direct competition with their Olympia.  What will happen with the signed athletes already, can they even leave without breaking contractural obligations?

I am not sure how many guys are willing to risk everything on a chance.  You don’t have to take a long look back to see what happened to some of the WBF guys and that was a guaranteed paycheck they jumped ship for, PDI isn’t.

Don’t get me wrong I will spend a few of my bucks supporting the PDI when they do come out, if we don’t do that at least they will never survive.

Shawn is having problems with getting competitors cause he is not offering them anything to come.  NO expenses are being paid for the BB's.  Meaning they are flipping their own bill.  They are not used to that. Some will do it just to be in it and hopefully have a chance to win something.  

When you say "how many guys are willing to take a risk" WHAT RISK?  What does the IFBB do any of their members?  The PDI is raising prize money every other year.  PDI will pay for as many of the athletes expenses for each show as possible.  

And the funniest thing is AMI owns the major industry magazines.  What does that mean or do.  They do nothing for the IFBB or NPC shows now.  Are they gicing back to the BB industry they have dexcided to get invovled with.  Are they giving FREE ads to all the show promoters in the NPC and IFBB.  AMI has done nothing to help BB whatsoever.  When are you people who continue to increase your delusion the IFBB is good for BB and that it is god almighty and can't be beaten.  They are a bunch of losers who take advantage of the BB's themselves and the fans.

You think you would have noticed after the 1st Olympia that they know NOTHING.  They fucked up the most premier BB show in the industry.  And it only took them one year.  Get it through your heads.

Why do you think AMI is looking to sell there 50% of the Olympia. AMI has lost millions of dollars since becoming involved with BB.  How many IFBB shows are there now in the US.  Not many.  The prmoters are sick and tired of losing and I am sure they are sick of the IFBB.  It's sad that every show that fails the IFBB still makes out smelling like roses.  How you support scumbags like that who don't care about the people who keep BB rolling.  Imgaine this, every NPC promoter and IFBB promoter decides to take the year off.  What the fuck happens.  There will be no shows.  Who will put on shows.  NO ONE!.  Wayne owns the PDI and he is 100% involved with it.  And you are talking about magazines and stuff.  Believe me he has plenty of press onboard.  You do honestly think you know everything what is happening with PDI.  Wayne has been doing this for a long long time.  He has made some enemies along the way but believe me he has made way more friends that are stepping forward to support PDI.

The IFBB better get their shit together.

The way it looks, PDI worse show may be as good as the IFBB's best show.

Keith "if you only knew what and who i talk too" Jones

[jaejonna]

I  cant wait to see this pan out ....

I hate the monopoly of the IFBB....

[knny187]

I  cant wait to see this pan out ....

I hate the monopoly of the IFBB....

I hate people that defend the monopoly of the IFBB

[onlyme]

That is exactly it.  I hate more than anything companies and people who think they have or do have the monopoly on anything.  They are arugant assholes who use people cause they can't do it themselves.  And if something goes wrong they get rid ofor punish the people who did the work.  Manion is a pussy flat out.  As is the Weiders.  The use people and the people they use are either too stupid or ignorant to realize or just have no where else to go or both.  I hate pussies who hide behind others that do the work and when something goes wrong they hide and make the front guy take the fall.  If something goes great then they are right there accepting the rewards and accolades.  They are just pussies.

How many promoters can people list.  Not many.  How many people associate the Olympia to Weiders, evryone.  What the fuck do they do to help put on the show.  All they have is their name everyhwere.  Chic is simply a puppet as mentioned before. Not to knock him but to tell you the truth he should give up the rep job and either concntrate on competing 100% or get out of BB and concentrate on acting and make real money and a career. 

At least in acting you can make more money and have a nice pension when you retire and have health insurance (real insurance) for free.

[Insider Z]

I consider you an idiot, given the fact you STILL won't answer the question I asked...

BTW..who was paying for the athletes insurance again?? I must have missed it...

Hey Bob,
please consider that I may be an idiot but I have no commitments with you and you are not my rep.
I'm used to answer to polite people and you don't look like being one of those.

Insider Z

[Chick]

nice out....way to back yourself up.

thanks for coming....please keep us updated on more of those "exclusive inside" tidbits you have...

[jaejonna]

Imagine the Ownage if this PDI thing goes through or falls on its face...

[MB]

The PDI's advantage is that Wayne Demilia has the necessary experience to get things done.  When the WBF started up, the IFBB was a rock solid organization and no one else could compete with them.  That's all changed now.  Since AMI's involvement, there has been a clear decline in the professionalism/quality of the shows.  This is a good time for a new organization to bring things back to a level they used to be. 

[jaejonna]

I agree with 240 on the fact that the internet and boards like this have made it possible for an org. like Weider to be exposed for the monopoly it is.

You cant hate on Bob, he is just doing his thing...

[LifterChick]

~snip~
Shawn is having problems with getting competitors cause he is not offering them anything to come.  NO expenses are being paid for the BB's.  Meaning they are flipping their own bill.  They are not used to that. Some will do it just to be in it and hopefully have a chance to win something.
Didn't know that, but then by the punctuation you would notice tha most of the stuff I stated were questions, so thanks for the answer.

~snip~
When you say "how many guys are willing to take a risk" WHAT RISK?  What does the IFBB do any of their members?  The PDI is raising prize money every other year.  PDI will pay for as many of the athletes expenses for each show as possible. 
Ask Gary Strydom about risks, and most of the money comes from endorsments not from standing onstage.  So until the supplement companies and magazines make OFFICIAL announcements that they are on board and supporting PDI, its a BIG risk

~snip~
And the funniest thing is AMI owns the major industry magazines.  What does that mean or do.  They do nothing for the IFBB or NPC shows now.  Are they gicing back to the BB industry they have dexcided to get invovled with.  Are they giving FREE ads to all the show promoters in the NPC and IFBB.  AMI has done nothing to help BB whatsoever.  When are you people who continue to increase your delusion the IFBB is good for BB and that it is god almighty and can't be beaten.  They are a bunch of losers who take advantage of the BB's themselves and the fans.

Name me one industry magazine in any sport that doesn't profit from the Sport(s) they feature.  So you never look at Flex or Muscle and fitness?  I would call this the promotion for the sport and their profit as well. Do I agree with the money distribution, not a chance but if there was no profit there would be no magazine.  I know Sports Illustrated keeps the bulk of its revenue and tries to avoid even paying minimum amounts when they can. Its called business.

~snip~
You think you would have noticed after the 1st Olympia that they know NOTHING.  They fucked up the most premier BB show in the industry.  And it only took them one year.  Get it through your heads.

Why do you think AMI is looking to sell there 50% of the Olympia. AMI has lost millions of dollars since becoming involved with BB.  How many IFBB shows are there now in the US.  Not many.  The prmoters are sick and tired of losing and I am sure they are sick of the IFBB.  It's sad that every show that fails the IFBB still makes out smelling like roses.  How you support scumbags like that who don't care about the people who keep BB rolling.  Imgaine this, every NPC promoter and IFBB promoter decides to take the year off.  What the f**k happens.  There will be no shows.  Who will put on shows.  NO ONE!.  Wayne owns the PDI and he is 100% involved with it.  And you are talking about magazines and stuff.  Believe me he has plenty of press onboard.  You do honestly think you know everything what is happening with PDI.  Wayne has been doing this for a long long time.  He has made some enemies along the way but believe me he has made way more friends that are stepping forward to support PDI.

The media still controls the fans. Otherwise there would have been no buzz about Federov.  Tell me you weren't the least bit interested about his showing.  He turned out to be a paper tiger, but it was the media who built the interest that I am sure even you were intrigued with. 
If it was not so why would Jay Cutler keep stating that it isn't about the money on stage, he needs to win the Olympia so he can claim to be the #1 Bobybuilder in the world and a new world of  possiblities for endorsments.  So again, until the supplement companies and magazines make OFFICIAL announcements that they are on board and supporting PDI, its a BIG risk

~snip~
How many IFBB shows are there now in the US.  Not many.  The prmoters are sick and tired of losing and I am sure they are sick of the IFBB.  It's sad that every show that fails the IFBB still makes out smelling like roses.  How you support scumbags like that who don't care about the people who keep BB rolling

True but the biggest shows and prizes are still on US soil.  I never stated I supported the IFBB, I just said it is a risk stepping into unknown waters which until more information comes forth this is PDI.

~snip~
Keith "if you only knew what and who i talk too" Jones
And god I wish I did know who you talk too, so I could get my questions answered.

[bigdumbbell]

only non-corrupt judges will be permitted in the PDI

[lonewolf]

Hey Chick,
If you really represent the the  Pros why aren't you fighting for the opportunity for all of them to compete in any
professional competitions. Are you representing their interests or your own? I'm really puzzled by your position on
these matters. If you are going to lead please do so or vacate your post. As far as I can see you are not leading
the ranks to broaden their means of making a living.   

[comebackkid]

year 2??

Lets see SHOW 1, first...

For a supposedly impartial athletes rep who wanted to head a union (an adversarial organization of workers against bosses and mangagement), you seem to be the biggest apologist for the powers that be. So telling. You represent the athletes as long as they bow down to the monolithic IFBB bureaucracy.

[Ron]

All right - very interesting arguements regarding the PDI. First of all - Chick is working his butt off to bee the best athlete's rep that he can be. He has a lot of obstacles - and a lot of unappreciative competitors who don't even bother to come to a meeting or respond to concerns. As the athlete's rep for the IFBB - he is there to listen to people, and to try and work out differences. He does that.

As for the PDI - claiming it will be a great organization is your opinion, but as with any startup organization, lets see. That is all Chick is asking to see. There are some amatuer shows coming up, there is the first 'pro' show coming two weeks before the Olympia - but again - who is sponsoring it - who is going to be there - etc.

The PDI is getting much more interest than other bodybuilding organizations out there - and all there has been is a few notices on the boards. What is getting interest is that Wayne DeMilia is behind that - and he has a success record. If it was someone else, would we be saying anything? Probably not.

However - like many others - we are all waiting. If there is something newsworthy to report - then the magazines, the boards, and other bodybuilding sites will report it.  As for the IFBB, all are all still going to go to the contests, and talk about it. What the PDI is going to do, as it nears its first competition, is make the IFBB be much more aware of things. Many of us are still going to support all IFBB shows (including Shawn show, New York Pro, Olympia, etc). But will be watching the PDI. Yes, with interest because it is a newsworthy interest.

The question is what happens if an IFBB individual or people associated with the IFBB go to watch an event which is a non-sanctioned event or not in-good-favor with the IFBB. Can they get warned, can they get in trouble if they go???  Just for appearing there but not competing. What if the company that sponsors them asks them to be in their booth. Are they obligated via their contract with the sponsors to go to the event even if you don't want to. Can you tell the place where you work you don't feel like working at a show???

[onlyme]

Hey Chick,
If you really represent the the  Pros why aren't you fighting for the opportunity for all of them to compete in any
professional competitions. Are you representing their interests or your own? I'm really puzzled by your position on
these matters. If you are going to lead please do so or vacate your post. As far as I can see you are not leading
the ranks to broaden their means of making a living.   

First I think his position as rep is a dead issue.  It went no where and I think it probably is being fizzled out.  It was poven at the last IFBB Pros meeting at the Arnold.  Without involvement from the other IFBB pros it is basically a one man's crusade against a bunch morons and fuckups who run the BB industry.

Name me one industry magazine in any sport that doesn't profit from the Sport(s) they feature.  So you never look at Flex or Muscle and fitness?  I would call this the promotion for the sport and their profit as well. Do I agree with the money distribution, not a chance but if there was no profit there would be no magazine.  I know Sports Illustrated keeps the bulk of its revenue and tries to avoid even paying minimum amounts when they can. Its called business.

I meant what does the magazines do for the shows.  You say unless PDI gets the support from the magazines.  What support does he need and what support do the other IFBB and NPC shows get?  NONE!  Only the Arnold and Olympia get any kind of major coverage.  And the others that are being faetured ar after the fact.  AMI does not give away free advertising to the promoters for there shows.  They get charged just like everyone else.  And it is expensive that is why you rarely see any ads for NPC or IFBB shows other than the Olympia and Arnold.  That is what I am saying, what will the magazines do for PDI that they need that they can't buy like anyone else.  And their are allot fo magazines in Europe in the health and fitness industry.  Here is a flash, right now the majority of the scheduled shows for the PDI are in Europe.  There is a reason for that.  The support for the PDI has been overwhelming in Europe with sponsors, media and promoters.  Wait to see how much the US supplement companies jump onboard when they see the European market being opened for them by the PDI.  The IFBB is losing grip on what they have had a monopoly on for ever.  Too bad, it couldn't happen to a better group of assholes.

And like someone else said, when the WBF was formed it was formed by people who knew nothing about BB and its demographics.  Just like when AMI bought into this industry.  They knew nothing and they are proving it day after day.  Wayne has been around BB for many years. He is in the trenches not behind a desk like Weiders and Manion.  He knows the BB industry.  That is a huge difference when you start something like PDI.  No matter what people say bad about Wayne, he was there not hiding like the others.  

[comebackkid]

All right - very interesting arguements regarding the PDI. First of all - Chick is working his butt off to bee the best athlete's rep that he can be. He has a lot of obstacles - and a lot of unappreciative competitors who don't even bother to come to a meeting or respond to concerns. As the athlete's rep for the IFBB - he is there to listen to people, and to try and work out differences. He does that.

Don't blame the athletes for their own oppressed position. They don't regard Chick's efforsts because he doesn't provide what is needed, real fighting leadership for the athletes against the bureaucracy. An athletes rep is not supposed to be an mediator, but militant leadership for the athletes. How do you expect any athlete to become motivated to come to Chick's meetings to supposedly fight for better conditions, when at the slightest critique of the bureaucracy, Chick is in the IFBB's corner explaining how great they are.

Here we finally have a rival division where there is hope that the athletes might fare better, and everyone of Chick's posts have been filled with condescension and a veiled hope that it fails. Some athletes rep...really concerned for the athletes, or his own privledged position?

I cry foul.

[HICKSON]

What is wrong w/ doing a little research around the states and finding creditable sport doctors that are into bodybuilding and have them judge the new division?
Those individuals should have some creditability?
how does one become a judge anyway?

no "in back pocket" judges just new inexperienced people that just enjoy the art of bodybuilding.

Just a thought, I know there are many variables to consider and I'm probally out in left field but....

[240 is Back]

The athletes support Bob!

After all, he had a lot of supporters show up at his meeting at the ASC, right?

[onlyme]

The question is what happens if an IFBB individual or people associated with the IFBB go to watch an event which is a non-sanctioned event or not in-good-favor with the IFBB. Can they get warned, can they get in trouble if they go???  Just for appearing there but not competing. What if the company that sponsors them asks them to be in their booth. Are they obligated via their contract with the sponsors to go to the event even if you don't want to. Can you tell the place where you work you don't feel like working at a show???

Well I hope that nothing happens to any IFBB pro that simply goes and watches a PDI event.  I am pretty sure the IFBB legally cannot forbid anyone whether signed or not to go do what they want todo on their free time.  I am pretty sure the IFBB doesn't own these guys (except one, Chic). And if a company is spnsoring a show then I would think the BB is obligated to appear in their booth or whatever or be in default of their contract.  That whole paragraph Ron sounds like a kingdom ruled by the IFBB and unless its subjects do what they are told they will be beheaded or even worse get kicked out of the IFBB (heaven forbid).

[Ursus]

Chick, you're a shite pro.

[onlyme]

I will do everyone a favor here and find out who the judges will be chosen from.  But I highly doubt many if any IFBB judges will be used.  they have already proven they are not qualified to judge a BB contest.

[onlyme]

I was just thinking (I do that sometimes), if the IFBB pros really want to see BB go forward for the better they would support and go to every PDI event.  Instead of Chic being the IFBB rep for the ahtletes (since he is obviously not the athletes rep) he would to encourage them all to attend because it is helping out BB and the bodybuilders themsleve.  But then again, it appears not many IFBB pros listen to Chic.

[LifterChick]

The question is what happens if an IFBB individual or people associated with the IFBB go to watch an event which is a non-sanctioned event or not in-good-favor with the IFBB. Can they get warned, can they get in trouble if they go???  Just for appearing there but not competing. What if the company that sponsors them asks them to be in their booth. Are they obligated via their contract with the sponsors to go to the event even if you don't want to. Can you tell the place where you work you don't feel like working at a show???

A most poignant question, I would really be interested in seeing how this one would be handled.
What would the IFBB do if BSE wanted Ronnie at a PDI show to do the Expo? 
This is going to be quite the conundrum for Bob as the IFBB athlete’s rep to answer.
But until PDI launches and this comes to terms the IFBB doesn’t have to “kick this anthill”…yet.