Author Topic: PDI Will Rule in 3 Years - 2006 (Read 27713 times)

onlyme · « **Reply #100 on:** March 24, 2006, 09:19:40 PM »

Quote from: Chick on March 24, 2006, 03:56:59 PM

Let get a few facts straight boys....

1. I attempted to form a athletes union a few years ago.... not enough support to attend the MEETING to even see if a union was a option, was present. Out of over 100+ responses from pro's everywhere...only 25-30 had the balls to show up at the meeting. The rest were too scared, or were having their contracts threatened by...you guessed it...Wayne himself.

The athletes spoke...not interested in starting a union.

Who are you kidding. Do you honestly believe it was Wayne who threatened them. For someone who is supposed to be involved with BB you sure are way off. Wayne did what he was told to do. Let Wayne look like the asshole. Do you honestly believe Weiders would have let Wayne make a decision like that. Chic you are smarter than that I hope. You are making yourself look really bad when you put dumb statements like that down. You probably think it was Wayne who ordered the drug tests on Shawn in 1990. Here is another saying "Don't shoot the messenger" Wayne was the President, he took orders like any other president of an organization. The reason I like Wayne so much is because he didn't behind someone else.

Ron · « **Reply #101 on:** March 24, 2006, 09:48:58 PM »

Enough with the union. It didn't work when Bob tried to set it up a few years back. Shawn Ray was frustrated with the Athlete's Rep when he couldn't get anything done, and quit. At least Bob Cicherillo is trying something to get some interest for the athletes.

But no - for the Arnold - Bob prepared a ton of info for peopel who are interested, from insurance, to business oriented stuff, to trying to get something started - but you know what. Very few people came.

He did a lot of work - and they didn't come. For the athletes who are interested in Bob working and helping out - he is there. But so many athlete's and competitors complain, yet when it comes down to go to a meeting that Bob set up - they don't show. Not only that - they don't even call to tell him they are not coming - or email to say they are not coming but if he could provide some info...

Nothing.

Don't blame Bob - for he is doing the best job that he can do. Blame the athletes that are individual minded and don't care about supporting one another.

Simple as that.

onlyme · « **Reply #102 on:** March 24, 2006, 10:08:41 PM »

Quote from: NiceRacq on March 24, 2006, 09:23:31 PM

Like Bob?

I hope not. From what I understand, he says is that he does not work for the IFBB. He reps the athletes not the IFBB. And from what it appears is that no pros are invovled either. So what it is, is a self-inducing vigil to see what he can do to supposedly help the athletes with issues they have with there present situation with the IFBB. But in the same breathe he will defend the IFBB against all negative implications even if they are affecting the athletes he is representing. It really is a stalemate. I just can't believe he still does it.

onlyme · « **Reply #103 on:** March 25, 2006, 01:59:36 AM »

Goat I am horrible in math

knny187 · « **Reply #104 on:** March 25, 2006, 08:58:35 AM »

Quote from: Ron on March 24, 2006, 09:48:58 PM

Enough with the union. It didn't work when Bob tried to set it up a few years back. Shawn Ray was frustrated with the Athlete's Rep when he couldn't get anything done, and quit. At least Bob Cicherillo is trying something to get some interest for the athletes.

But no - for the Arnold - Bob prepared a ton of info for peopel who are interested, from insurance, to business oriented stuff, to trying to get something started - but you know what. Very few people came.

He did a lot of work - and they didn't come. For the athletes who are interested in Bob working and helping out - he is there. But so many athlete's and competitors complain, yet when it comes down to go to a meeting that Bob set up - they don't show. Not only that - they don't even call to tell him they are not coming - or email to say they are not coming but if he could provide some info...

Nothing.

Don't blame Bob - for he is doing the best job that he can do. Blame the athletes that are individual minded and don't care about supporting one another.

Simple as that.

I am curious to who showed up.

Now I know that names won't be mentioned......but can you atleast tell me if they were..............

1st Tier.....2nd Tier or 3rd Tier Pros?

Insider Z · « **Reply #105 on:** March 26, 2006, 12:54:21 PM »

People will be surprised at not only the names of the athletes who will switch, but also who are going to judge and promote. Many former pros will be involved with judging and promoting. The names will be revealed as time goes on.

INSIDER Z (the man who sees tomorrow)

onlyme · « **Reply #106 on:** March 26, 2006, 12:58:49 PM »

Yes people will VERY VERY be surprised who is involved and who some of the judges are. The judging alone will bring many guys over to the PDI. The funny thing that may happen is the PDI is going to wake up Manion, Weiders and AMI. And they will try to change. But, like the old saying goes "you can't change a tigers strips" ( or someothing like that.) I was very surprised when I found out who is going to be judging the PDI shows.

onlyme · « **Reply #107 on:** March 26, 2006, 12:59:25 PM »

Insider Z do I know you? Did we just talk on the phone.

Insider Z · « **Reply #108 on:** March 26, 2006, 01:01:09 PM »

Quote from: onlyme on March 26, 2006, 12:58:49 PM

Yes people will VERY VERY be surprised who is involved and who some of the judges are. The judging alone will bring many guys over to the PDI. The funny thing that may happen is the PDI is going to wake up Manion, Weiders and AMI. And they will try to change. But, like the old saying goes "you can't change a tigers strips" ( or someothing like that.) I was very surprised when I found out who is going to be judging the PDI shows.

It sounds like you are more insider than me.

Insider Z · « **Reply #109 on:** March 26, 2006, 01:02:27 PM »

Quote from: onlyme on March 26, 2006, 12:59:25 PM

Insider Z do I know you? Did we just talk on the phone.

Nope.
Positively.

Insider Z

onlyme · « **Reply #110 on:** March 26, 2006, 01:15:33 PM »

What I really like about the PDI is how they will qualify more guys for the Pro rank. It gives more guys a chance to do something in BB. It makes the playing field more even. It gives the athletes more leverage when looking for endorsements. It's a fact that probably less than 10 or so IFBB pros actually make enough money from BB to make a decent living. With more shows in the PDI it gives more of a chance for the competitors to make money. WIth many shows overseas it gives them a chance to travel and get more exposure. I can't see a downfall here. The PDI gives BB's so much more power to themselves and gives them more opportunity to excel in BB. Shawn and Chic and whoever think I hate BB. I have supported BB since the late 80's. I have spent more money on BB than most pros. I like BB, I don't the IFBB, NPC, Manion and Weiders. They are bad for BB. Started off great but as the money comes in the greedy scumbag comes out. And that is what I don't like.

It cost $60,000+ to sanction an IFBB show. What do you get? It costs $10,000 to sanction a PDI show. Hard to say what you get, but you do save $50,000. And with that you sure can improve your show. For an IFBB promoter to switch over to the PDI is perfect. Chance the name of the show and save $50,000. Add it to the purse or get a nicer venue or whatever. Why keep losing money doing IFBB shows. The promoter takes the hit not the IFBB. Why keep losing money when you don't have too.

Al-Gebra · « **Reply #111 on:** March 26, 2006, 01:22:24 PM »

Quote from: onlyme on March 26, 2006, 01:15:33 PM

It cost $60,000+ to sanction an IFBB show. What do you get? It costs $10,000 to sanction a PDI show. Hard to say what you get, but you do save $50,000. And with that you sure can improve your show. For an IFBB promoter to switch over to the PDI is perfect. Chance the name of the show and save $50,000. Add it to the purse or get a nicer venue or whatever. Why keep losing money doing IFBB shows. The promoter takes the hit not the IFBB. Why keep losing money when you don't have too.

don't know if it's worth $50k, but that money does get you associated w an organization that is known, has publicity vehicles, etc. they may not be as good as they could be . . . if PDI charged more, odds are no one would pay.

just b/c something's cheaper doesn't make it better. that said, i'm sure competition will move prices from monopoly range.

Lee_a_priest · « **Reply #112 on:** March 26, 2006, 02:18:32 PM »

Quote from: Special Ed on March 24, 2006, 08:35:55 PM

I think Chick is right on this one. If the athletes don't care or are so concerned that their endorsements or contest placings will suffer that they don't or won't show any interest, there's not much Bob can do. He's the athlete rep, not a fag running for class president. The pros at the top - Coleman, Cutler, Jackson don't want to see any changes because they're doing just fine, thank you. The next level of guys thinks they're next in line to reap the benefits, so they don't want to make a fuss, and the third tier guys are the only ones with the balls to say anything because they have little to lose. The fourth tier guys are too busy mowing lawns and bouncing at bars to give a crap.

And cut out all the talk about "doing his best" - losers always whine about doing their best. Winners go home and fcuk the prom queen.

Special "Mason" Ed

The guys at the top like Jay and Ronnie dex they dont care. Like you said they make good money why should they take a stand?. Becasue we should be one we need these guys but they are to self centred to give a shit.Thats cool your on top for only so long then down you will fall.Just dont know why they cant see the big picture.

HRDCOR · « **Reply #113 on:** March 26, 2006, 02:35:49 PM »

Actualy The IFBBPro 60k sanction fee is not set in stone and it variys from show to show and promoter to promoter !!!! dont know how they work out the varing sanction fees but they seem to have different strokes for different folks !!!

trebor · « **Reply #114 on:** March 26, 2006, 03:09:31 PM »

Whether PDI will survive or not, one thing is clear AMI/IFBB are running the Mr. Olympia into the ground. Last year they made every screwup imaginable. This year they have the Mr. O sharing the stage with three women's events. Unless something changes, the judging and the night show will be compressed to accommodate the women's events. Last year the men's judging was compressed so the judges could grab an early lunch. This year it will be compressed so they can get their beauty rest. Last year the posing routines were cut to accommodate the Challenge Round. This year they will be compressed for T and A. Whatever you can say about Wayne DeMilia, you would not see this sorry state of affairs if he was still running the show. I would not sell his years of experience and contacts short. If any of you have noticed, he is building his base in Europe, where the professional side of the IFBB, other than the off and on Grand Prix contests, is only a minor presence. Maybe the PDI will wake a few people up before AMI/IFBB have reduced the Mr. O to the equivalent of a Grand Prix event.

kmhphoto · « **Reply #115 on:** March 26, 2006, 03:16:48 PM »

Quote from: onlyme on March 26, 2006, 01:15:33 PM

It cost $60,000+ to sanction an IFBB show. What do you get? It costs $10,000 to sanction a PDI show.

Once again your information is incorrect. Having attended most of the IFBB shows over the past 10 years, the promoters tell me they've paid $10K

HRDCOR · « **Reply #116 on:** March 26, 2006, 03:32:04 PM »

I wonder where all the sanction fees and athletes fees ect ect goes

? that would be a good question to ask JM on the Bodybuilding radio i would think

And the fees do vary by the way , I know promoters whom have payed 20k for sanctioning , plus they have to fly all IFBB officaldom first class with first class accomidation to the event if they desire to be present !!!

tommywishbone · « **Reply #117 on:** March 26, 2006, 03:42:18 PM »

I'm gonna send the latest PDI press release to 'Mythbusters' and see if they can figure this thing out.

gary67 · « **Reply #118 on:** March 26, 2006, 04:53:11 PM »

Quote from: Lee_a_priest on March 26, 2006, 02:18:32 PM

The guys at the top like Jay and Ronnie dex they dont care. Like you said they make good money why should they take a stand?. Becasue we should be one we need these guys but they are to self centred to give a shit.Thats cool your on top for only so long then down you will fall.Just dont know why they cant see the big picture.

this is why they need lee in charge and not bob. lee cares about what the long term future holds for the ATHLETES and not just for himself. good job lee keep speaking your mind maybe someday these guys will understand what you are trying to say

onlyme · « **Reply #119 on:** March 26, 2006, 07:25:34 PM »

Um. Strange, I was going to be charged $60,000 to put an IFBB show on here. I just talked to the guy who would know and he is the one who told me $60,000 was about average. Oh well, you know what would be interesting is see how much Shawn is paying for his show (the fee)

HowieW · « **Reply #120 on:** March 26, 2006, 07:31:54 PM »

I just scanned/read this entire thread and found some of the dialogue informative and interesting.
Don't laugh, but I swear , I would enjoy bodybuilding a whole lot more if I didn't know as much as I do, about all the "business end" of it along with the crazy drug use, etc.
Perhaps in bodybuilding, ignoarance is bliss

True....?
I did have a great leg workout today, 10 plates (each side ) for 8 decent reps on leg press and followed that with 405 for 6 on smith machine squats.
Howard

HowieW · « **Reply #121 on:** March 26, 2006, 07:34:04 PM »

Quote from: G o a t b o y on March 26, 2006, 07:27:43 PM

Considering the quality of IFBB competitors who are doing the show, he should ask for a refund.

The blonde dude in the purple string thing on the right is really impressive

I bet he uses the Louie's dad line in PI, of ; " Take a look at this hunk of man."

kmhphoto · « **Reply #122 on:** March 26, 2006, 08:45:34 PM »

Quote from: onlyme on March 26, 2006, 07:25:34 PM

Um. Strange, I was going to be charged $60,000 to put an IFBB show on here. I just talked to the guy who would know and he is the one who told me $60,000 was about average. Oh well, you know what would be interesting is see how much Shawn is paying for his show (the fee)

Does the person who told you it would be $60k work for the IFBB?

HRDCOR · « **Reply #123 on:** March 26, 2006, 08:55:20 PM »

I would be realy pissed if I paid 60k only to find out other promoters pay a lot less, I would be realy realy pissed , I would be demanding some serious answers and refunds !!!, thats why one should always do there home work first, you also would have to ask in the negotation period just what do I get for my outlay, this is where competition will be very very beneficial !!!

kmhphoto · « **Reply #124 on:** March 26, 2006, 09:08:21 PM »

Quote from: HRDCOR on March 26, 2006, 08:55:20 PM

I would be realy pissed if I paid 60k only to find out other promoters pay a lot less, I would be realy realy pissed , I would be demanding some serious answers and refunds !!!, thats why one should always do there home work first, you also would have to ask in the negotation period just what do I get for my outlay, this is where competition will be very very beneficial !!!

I agree. I'd expect a large show like the Arnolds to pay more but the shows in Europe and Australia only pull in 1000-2000 people. A $60K sanction fee would add up to $60 per ticket!