Calories in Calories out. IIFYM dieting. Stop the ignorance.

[polychronopolous]

I await this great getbiggers response

Woke up the next morning ripped to the bone.

[Erik C]

and they are all ways of reducing calories to below maintenance to ensure weight loss.
you eat more than to burn off you dont lose weight.

Telling someone top eat less is just too easy, and simply doesn't sell, tell them they need an App to track their macros and they are all over it.

There Is Your Problem. Do You Want Weight Loss, Or Body Fat Loss? On A Low Calorie Diet, Or Low Fat Diet, You Will Lose Weight From All Over Your Body: Bone Weight, Muscle Weight, Organ Weight, Even Brain Weight, Along With Some Body Fat Loss. How Much Heart Muscle Loss, Or Brain Tissue Loss Do You Consider Healthy?

On An Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet, YOU WILL LOSE ONLY BODY FAT. There Is No Muscle Loss At All. Moreover, You Won't Get Sagging Skin From An Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet, As You Do Get On Low Calorie, And Low Fat Diets. That's Because On An Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet, You Get Plenty Of Dietary Fat And Your Body Doesn't "Hoard" The Fat In Your Skin, Because It Thinks It Is Starving, As It Does On A Low Calorie Diet, And A Low Fat Diet. Something To Consider If You Care About Your Body's Appearance.

[njflex]

There Is Your Problem. Do You Want Weight Loss, Or Body Fat Loss? On A Low Calorie Diet, Or Low Fat Diet, You Will Lose Weight From All Over Your Body: Bone Weight, Muscle Weight, Organ Weight, Even Brain Weight, Along With Some Body Fat Loss. How Much Heart Muscle Loss, Or Brain Tissue Loss Do You Consider Healthy?

On An Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet, YOU WILL LOSE ONLY BODY FAT. There Is No Muscle Loss At All. Moreover, You Won't Get Sagging Skin From An Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet, As You Do Get On Low Calorie, And Low Fat Diets. That's Because On An Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet, You Get Plenty Of Dietary Fat And Your Body Doesn't "Hoard" The Fat In Your Skin, Because It Thinks It Is Starving, As It Does On A Low Calorie Diet, And A Low Fat Diet. Something To Consider If You Care About Your Body's Appearance.

be there is a very good bber and masters class as well now he's been in shape for decades,,

[Erik C]

be there is a very good bber and masters class as well now he's been in shape for decades,,

So? Does That Mean He Doesn't Say "Duh," A Lot?

[cephissus]

A paragraph of pure waffle...  Cals in = calls out isn't a "diet strategy" , I wanted to scream CU.NT reading this rubbish

Actually, it is.  Tell me, when was the last time you participated in indirect calorimetry to determine your BMR and carbon/oxygen ratio during exercise?  When was the last time you examined your stool and urine to determine nutrient absorbption?

Never?  So you mean to tell me, you really don't know how many cals are going in and out?  Much like every other human who has ever lived?

[local hero]

I know when I eat less and exercise more I look better than when I eat more and train less, your just trying to sound clever, as I said "CUN.T"


I've been large and in shape going on 20 yrs, all you clever fuckers end up looking like shit the vast majority of the time

[FREAKgeek]

eat 8 -12 ounces of meat in the early morning, your'e good until the late afternoon. Eat the same cal for cal of just carbs, you're hungry as shit by 10:30 AM.  High carb low cal may lose weight, but it's very hard to follow IMO. Plus there's always "am I getting enough protein" in question to minimize atrophy. just my 2 cents.

[njflex]

i mean for the most part i follow some structure,protein/carbs/fats,,and change ratio's around depending on time of the year.i don't compete anymore but maintain a build close to my younger days i'm 48 now.eating to be healthy and training hard as one can is different than training hard and dieting for a show both good build one is more extreme in the end in terms of muscle/condition.eating to have a nice build is easy dieting for a show is a mother******...

[cephissus]

I know when I eat less and exercise more I look better than when I eat more and train less, your just trying to sound clever, as I said "CUN.T"


I've been large and in shape going on 20 yrs, all you clever fuckers end up looking like shit the vast majority of the time

You just prove my point, 'calories in, calories out' is such a useful model because it's easy to apply, most of the time, and allows people to succeed DESPITE grossly oversimplifying reality.

And I've been in shape my whole life, which is to say, longer than you.  So have fun with your jabs while you continue to misunderstand me.

[local hero]

You just prove my point, 'calories in, calories out' is such a useful model because it's easy to apply, most of the time, and allows people to succeed DESPITE grossly oversimplifying reality.

And I've been in shape my whole life, which is to say, longer than you.  So have fun with your jabs while you continue to misunderstand me.

There's no misunderstanding, you try to make something simple sound complex to try and look intelligent...good for you

[Simple Simon]

There Is Your Problem. Do You Want Weight Loss, Or Body Fat Loss? On A Low Calorie Diet, Or Low Fat Diet, You Will Lose Weight From All Over Your Body: Bone Weight, Muscle Weight, Organ Weight, Even Brain Weight, Along With Some Body Fat Loss. How Much Heart Muscle Loss, Or Brain Tissue Loss Do You Consider Healthy?

On An Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet, YOU WILL LOSE ONLY BODY FAT. There Is No Muscle Loss At All. Moreover, You Won't Get Sagging Skin From An Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet, As You Do Get On Low Calorie, And Low Fat Diets. That's Because On An Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet, You Get Plenty Of Dietary Fat And Your Body Doesn't "Hoard" The Fat In Your Skin, Because It Thinks It Is Starving, As It Does On A Low Calorie Diet, And A Low Fat Diet. Something To Consider If You Care About Your Body's Appearance.

I don't have a problem,you do, you have just posted the biggest pile of bro science shite I have read here for quite a while.

[Simple Simon]

You just prove my point, 'calories in, calories out' is such a useful model because it's easy to apply, most of the time, and allows people to succeed DESPITE grossly oversimplifying reality.

And I've been in shape my whole life, which is to say, longer than you.  So have fun with your jabs while you continue to misunderstand me.

In shape?
You look malnourished.

[Anglo]

I don't have a problem,you do, you have just posted the biggest pile of bro science shite I have read here for quite a while.

Organ weight? Can you elaborate.

What the reccomended macronutrient suggestions for a low ketogenic way of eating?

In the the old days an actual ketogenic diet consisted of at least 70% fat and 30% protein, some have suggested fat to be as high as 80%.

The "bro" version is totally different, as the bodybuilding way of a ketogenic diet is to have more protein than fat, in an attempt to preserve muscle and minimise fat, as rehashed by polumbo.

The reason this is not keto in the strictst sence because the staples on it like beef, eggs and whey have a high to moderate insulin index (not glyemic index) similar to that of any high glycemic carbohydrate, therefore one can never truely hit actual ketosis, and is left in limbo, suffering, irratable, weak and miserable.

Key point: to reach actual ketosis insulin has to be suppressed, meats and most protein raise insulin insulin despite being low GI, therefore fats must be 70% or over for REAL KETOSIS to take place. Fart powder being the biggest contributer to spiking insulin levels.

[Simple Simon]

Organ weight? Can you elaborate.

What the reccomended macronutrient suggestions for a low ketogenic way of eating?

In the the old days an actual ketogenic diet consisted of at least 70% fat and 30% protein, some have suggested fat to be as high as 80%.

The "bro" version is totally different, as the bodybuilding way of a ketogenic diet is to have more protein than fat, in an attempt to preserve muscle and minimise fat, as rehashed by polumbo.

The reason this is not keto in the strictst sence because the staples on it like beef, eggs and whey have a high to moderate insulin index (not glyemic index) similar to that of any high glycemic carbohydrate, therefore one can never truely hit actual ketosis, and is left in limbo, suffering, irratable, weak and miserable.

Key point: to reach actual ketosis insulin has to be suppressed, meats and most protein raise insulin insulin despite being low GI, therefore fats must be 70% or over for REAL KETOSIS to take place. Fart powder being the biggest contributer to spiking insulin levels.

You are overthinking it
Chill the fuck out and put less food in your gob, it does the same thing

[cephissus]

In shape?
You look malnourished.

How convenient, your bloodhound tenacity goes on vacation every time I post an update picture.  Oh well, reality marches on without you or the knuckledragger I was bothering with.

[dj181]

There Is Your Problem. Do You Want Weight Loss, Or Body Fat Loss? On A Low Calorie Diet, Or Low Fat Diet, You Will Lose Weight From All Over Your Body: Bone Weight, Muscle Weight, Organ Weight, Even Brain Weight, Along With Some Body Fat Loss. How Much Heart Muscle Loss, Or Brain Tissue Loss Do You Consider Healthy?

On An Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet, YOU WILL LOSE ONLY BODY FAT. There Is No Muscle Loss At All. Moreover, You Won't Get Sagging Skin From An Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet, As You Do Get On Low Calorie, And Low Fat Diets. That's Because On An Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet, You Get Plenty Of Dietary Fat And Your Body Doesn't "Hoard" The Fat In Your Skin, Because It Thinks It Is Starving, As It Does On A Low Calorie Diet, And A Low Fat Diet. Something To Consider If You Care About Your Body's Appearance.

not if you train your ass off and take gear

you can eat whatever the fuck you want and look great, as long as you don't overeat

fyi, yesterday I ate an egg and bacon mc wrap and coffee with a ton of milk and sugar for breakkie for lunch I had 2 chicken breast and sugar cookies for din din I went to the chink restaurant and had 2 egg rolls and shrimp fried rice and I'm sitting @ a dry 6-7% with veins on my abs and all over my calves quads and forearms with an ab skinfold of 5 mm

[Simple Simon]

How convenient, your bloodhound tenacity goes on vacation every time I lost an update picture.  Oh well, reality marches on without you or the knuckledragger I was bothering with.

Your reality bares little resemblance to actual reality.

[cephissus]

Your reality bares little resemblance to actual reality.

wow, this brutal insult might have even more sting without the gradeschool word choice error

[Anglo]

You are overthinking it
Chill the fuck out and put less food in your gob, it does the same thing

  Great advice

Back to reading Flex methinks

[SilverSpoon]

I would never say something so stupid as that.

However, I do make around 2 pizzas a week or so these days.

I have been experimenting with Molasses and Honey Cold Ferment and a 3 minute bake.

Better than anything you can buy certainly.

Please post the recipe.

[Never1AShow]

I would never say something so stupid as that.

However, I do make around 2 pizzas a week or so these days.

I have been experimenting with Molasses and Honey Cold Ferment and a 3 minute bake.

Better than anything you can buy certainly.

If you think you can make pizza at home better than you get from a regular old NY style pizza place you are delusional.

[Twaddle]

If you think you can make pizza at home better than you get from a regular old NY style pizza place you are delusional.

Oh shit, here we go.............

[Erik C]

not if you train your ass off and take gear

you can eat whatever the fuck you want and look great, as long as you don't overeat

I Don't Use Gear, Nor Do I Recommend It To Others. It's Not Healthy, And All The Balloon Boys On Gear, Deflate, As Soon As They Are Off Gear. It's Not Real Muscle, Or That Wouldn't Happen.

[Erik C]

Organ weight? Can you elaborate.

What the reccomended macronutrient suggestions for a low ketogenic way of eating?

In the the old days an actual ketogenic diet consisted of at least 70% fat and 30% protein, some have suggested fat to be as high as 80%.

The "bro" version is totally different, as the bodybuilding way of a ketogenic diet is to have more protein than fat, in an attempt to preserve muscle and minimise fat, as rehashed by polumbo.

The reason this is not keto in the strictst sence because the staples on it like beef, eggs and whey have a high to moderate insulin index (not glyemic index) similar to that of any high glycemic carbohydrate, therefore one can never truely hit actual ketosis, and is left in limbo, suffering, irratable, weak and miserable.

Key point: to reach actual ketosis insulin has to be suppressed, meats and most protein raise insulin insulin despite being low GI, therefore fats must be 70% or over for REAL KETOSIS to take place. Fart powder being the biggest contributer to spiking insulin levels.

I Suspect That Question Was To Me, Not To "Be There." Organs: Liver, Kidneys, Heart, Lungs, Pancreas, Etc. On Low Calorie diets And Low Fat Diets, The Body's Organs Lose Mass. Does Not Happen On Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet. On That Diet The Only Thing You Lose Is Body Fat, And No Loss Of Muscle Mass.

The Ideal Is 70% Fat, 30% Protein. Mine Is Usually Around 65+% Fat, 25+% Protein, And Never More Than 10% Carbs, At Any One Meal. The "Bro" Version Of Anything Is Usually Wrong.

Protein Raises Insulin Levels, But No Where Near As High As Carbs Do. Your Charts Aren't Accurate At All. You Compare High Fiber Carbs To Proteins, So Really On A Gram Per Gram Basis, You Aren't Getting Equal Weights Of Carbs In The Form Of Sugars And Starches, That Do Spike Insulin High, Vs. Proteins That Don't Spike Insulin High At All. And You Have Beans As A Protein, When In Fact They Are High Carbs. On The Other Chart You Only Show Proteins, The Highest Being Whey, Though What Brand Of Whey We Don't Know, Since Most Brands Of Whey Are Loaded With Additives, Mostly Carbs. Still There Are No Sugars And Starches In That Chart, Which Would If They Had Been Shown, Been Much Higher In Insulin Spiking Ability, Than Protein Is.

Meat, And Most Proteins, Do Not Spike Insulin Levels Anywhere Near Where Sugars And Starches Spike Insulin Levels To. Whey Is Only Fart Powder, When The Manufacturer Puts In All Kinds Of Non Whey Crap Into It, Especially Carbs. Mix A Real Whey Isolate, Plain, With No Additives, A Couple Of Scoops, Into 8 Ounces Of Heavy Cream, And Ketosis Is No Problem.

The Guys Who Are In Limbo, Suffering, Irritable, Weak, And Miserable, Are The Ones Using Gear!

[Simple Simon]

I Suspect That Question Was To Me, Not To "Be There." Organs: Liver, Kidneys, Heart, Lungs, Pancreas, Etc. On Low Calorie diets And Low Fat Diets, The Body's Organs Lose Mass. Does Not Happen On Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet. On That Diet The Only Thing You Lose Is Body Fat, And No Loss Of Muscle Mass.

The Ideal Is 70% Fat, 30% Protein. Mine Is Usually Around 65+% Fat, 25+% Protein, And Never More Than 10% Carbs, At Any One Meal. The "Bro" Version Of Anything Is Usually Wrong.

Protein Raises Insulin Levels, But No Where Near As High As Carbs Do. Your Charts Aren't Accurate At All. You Compare High Fiber Carbs To Proteins, So Really On A Gram Per Gram Basis, You Aren't Getting Equal Weights Of Carbs In The Form Of Sugars And Starches, That Do Spike Insulin High, Vs. Proteins That Don't Spike Insulin High At All. And You Have Beans As A Protein, When In Fact They Are High Carbs. On The Other Chart You Only Show Proteins, The Highest Being Whey, Though What Brand Of Whey We Don't Know, Since Most Brands Of Whey Are Loaded With Additives, Mostly Carbs. Still There Are No Sugars And Starches In That Chart, Which Would If They Had Been Shown, Been Much Higher In Insulin Spiking Ability, Than Protein Is.

Meat, And Most Proteins, Do Not Spike Insulin Levels Anywhere Near Where Sugars And Starches Spike Insulin Levels To. Whey Is Only Fart Powder, When The Manufacturer Puts In All Kinds Of Non Whey Crap Into It, Especially Carbs. Mix A Real Whey Isolate, Plain, With No Additives, A Couple Of Scoops, Into 8 Ounces Of Heavy Cream, And Ketosis Is No Problem.

The Guys Who Are In Limbo, Suffering, Irritable, Weak, And Miserable, Are The Ones Using Gear!

Yadda fucking yadda
Post a pic of your current shape and condition you white coated fuckwit