Calories in Calories out. IIFYM dieting. Stop the ignorance.

[Erik C]

I don't have a problem,you do, you have just posted the biggest pile of bro science shite I have read here for quite a while.

What I Posted Is Real Science. What You Do Is "Bro Science."

[Simple Simon]

What I Posted Is Real Science. What You Do Is "Bro Science."

Looking awesome year round is bro science?

[Erik C]

Looking awesome year round is bro science?

Everyone Before The Steroid Era Began Did It, No Problem. Steve Reeves And Reg Park, Looked Great Year Round, And No Drugs.

So What's Your Problem?

[growing lad]

What is this retarded BS

Calories determine weight loss or weight gain
Protein determines muscle retention or muscle gain
Carbs and fats make very little difference in the big picture and should be set for your adherence

2000kcal 200g protein diet high fat very low carb
2000kcal 200g protein diet high car very low fat

No fucking difference

[Erik C]

What is this retarded BS

Calories determine weight loss or weight gain
Protein determines muscle retention or muscle gain
Carbs and fats make very little difference in the big picture and should be set for your adherence

2000kcal 200g protein diet high fat very low carb
2000kcal 200g protein diet high car very low fat

No fucking difference

You Post Two Different Diets, And Say There Is No Fucking Difference?

Post Here Again Sometime, After You Grow A Brain.

[Simple Simon]

Everyone Before The Steroid Era Began Did It, No Problem. Steve Reeves And Reg Park, Looked Great Year Round, And No Drugs.

So What's Your Problem?

My problem, it's your problem, neither Steve reeves or reg park would not have had a fucking clue as to the drivel you keep posting.
They did everything by the mirror.

Way to go to destroy your own argument.
Any sign of your picture?

[Simple Simon]

You Post Two Different Diets, And Say There Is No Fucking Difference?

Post Here Again Sometime, After You Grow A Brain.

Try both diets and see how much difference it makes.

[mazrim]

Everyone Before The Steroid Era Began Did It, No Problem. Steve Reeves And Reg Park, Looked Great Year Round, And No Drugs.

So What's Your Problem?

Do you know what Reeves diet was?

[growing lad]

You Post Two Different Diets, And Say There Is No Fucking Difference?

Post Here Again Sometime, After You Grow A Brain.

Yep...

Once calories are set & protein is set

Wherever carbs and fats fall makes
No difference as shown by metabolic ward studies
Time and time again. The most accurate way of controlling someone's food.

So I state again set your calories, set your protein and wherever carbs and fats fall is a matter of personal preference cos it will make shit all difference to your body composition results

[Erik C]

Yep...

Once calories are set & protein is set

Wherever carbs and fats fall makes
No difference as shown by metabolic ward studies
Time and time again. The most accurate way of controlling someone's food.

So I state again set your calories, set your protein and wherever carbs and fats fall is a matter of personal preference cos it will make shit all difference to your body composition results

Fat Is Needed By The Body To Build Muscle Tissue, For Your Brain And Nerves To Function Properly, To Have An Immune System To Effectively Fight Diseases, To Produce The Hormones Your Body Needs, Such As Testosterone And Growth Hormone.

Carbs Only Make Body Fat.

No One Gets BIG On 2000 Calories Per Day. If You Want To Get Big, Then Eat Big, Mostly Fats And Proteins From Animals Sources.

[Anglo]

You Post Two Different Diets, And Say There Is No Fucking Difference?

Post Here Again Sometime, After You Grow A Brain.

 

[Anglo]

I Suspect That Question Was To Me, Not To "Be There." Organs: Liver, Kidneys, Heart, Lungs, Pancreas, Etc. On Low Calorie diets And Low Fat Diets, The Body's Organs Lose Mass. Does Not Happen On Extremely Low Crab, High Fat And Protein Diet. On That Diet The Only Thing You Lose Is Body Fat, And No Loss Of Muscle Mass.

The Ideal Is 70% Fat, 30% Protein. Mine Is Usually Around 65+% Fat, 25+% Protein, And Never More Than 10% Carbs, At Any One Meal. The "Bro" Version Of Anything Is Usually Wrong.

Protein Raises Insulin Levels, But No Where Near As High As Carbs Do. Your Charts Aren't Accurate At All. You Compare High Fiber Carbs To Proteins, So Really On A Gram Per Gram Basis, You Aren't Getting Equal Weights Of Carbs In The Form Of Sugars And Starches, That Do Spike Insulin High, Vs. Proteins That Don't Spike Insulin High At All. And You Have Beans As A Protein, When In Fact They Are High Carbs. On The Other Chart You Only Show Proteins, The Highest Being Whey, Though What Brand Of Whey We Don't Know, Since Most Brands Of Whey Are Loaded With Additives, Mostly Carbs. Still There Are No Sugars And Starches In That Chart, Which Would If They Had Been Shown, Been Much Higher In Insulin Spiking Ability, Than Protein Is.

Meat, And Most Proteins, Do Not Spike Insulin Levels Anywhere Near Where Sugars And Starches Spike Insulin Levels To. Whey Is Only Fart Powder, When The Manufacturer Puts In All Kinds Of Non Whey Crap Into It, Especially Carbs. Mix A Real Whey Isolate, Plain, With No Additives, A Couple Of Scoops, Into 8 Ounces Of Heavy Cream, And Ketosis Is No Problem.

The Guys Who Are In Limbo, Suffering, Irritable, Weak, And Miserable, Are The Ones Using Gear!

Good points, especilly about the fart powder.

The Insulin Index is a method used in conjunction with the GI measurement. It is was supposed for decades that diabetes was only due to high glycemic foods, however, this was debunked in studies were high postprandial insulin levels were measured in people who hadn't et any carbs.

It's an interesting debate nevertheless, and way of eating that suits some, but unmanageable to most.

[Erik C]

Good points, especilly about the fart powder.

The Insulin Index is a method used in conjunction with the GI measurement. It is was supposed for decades that diabetes was only due to high glycemic foods, however, this was debunked in studies were high postprandial insulin levels were measured in people who hadn't et any carbs.

It's an interesting debate nevertheless, and way of eating that suits some, but unmanageable to most.

There Are Too Many Vagaries In Terminology In The Postprandial Studies Of Insulin Levels Of People Who Had "High" Insulin Levels Allegedly Without Eating Carbs. What Constitutes High Insulin Levels? Protein Do Spike Insulin Levels, But Nowhere Near As High As Carbs Do. What Foods Did The Test Subjects Really Eat? Saying No Carbs, As In What? The Carb Filled Whey Protein That Was In The Charts Above?
Many, Way Too Many, Supposedly Scientific Studies Are Done By The Food Industry, And/Or The Supplement Industry, And Are Designed To Produce A Specific Result, And Only Appear To Be Scientific, To Sell Products, in This Case Carbs. It Seems That Only In The Fields Of Nutrition And Physiology, That There Are Loads Of One Off Experiments, That Are Never Independently Repeated, That Are Passed Off To The General Public As "Science." That Doesn't Happen In Astronomy, Chemistry, Or Geology Even. If You Don't Want To Get Type II Diabetes, Lay Off The Carbs!

[Simple Simon]

There Are Too Many Vagaries In Terminology In The Postprandial Studies Of Insulin Levels Of People Who Had "High" Insulin Levels Allegedly Without Eating Carbs. What Constitutes High Insulin Levels? Protein Do Spike Insulin Levels, But Nowhere Near As High As Carbs Do. What Foods Did The Test Subjects Really Eat? Saying No Carbs, As In What? The Carb Filled Whey Protein That Was In The Charts Above?
Many, Way Too Many, Supposedly Scientific Studies Are Done By The Food Industry, And/Or The Supplement Industry, And Are Designed To Produce A Specific Result, And Only Appear To Be Scientific, To Sell Products, in This Case Carbs. It Seems That Only In The Fields Of Nutrition And Physiology, That There Are Loads Of One Off Experiments, That Are Never Independently Repeated, That Are Passed Off To The General Public As "Science." That Doesn't Happen In Astronomy, Chemistry, Or Geology Even. If You Don't Want To Get Type II Diabetes, Lay Off The Carbs!

If you eat 2000 cals and 800 cals of that 2000 comes from protein bearing in mind you are eating fats as well how do you eat too many carbs to cause enough insulin spikes to hinder fat loss?

[Erik C]

If you eat 2000 cals and 800 cals of that 2000 comes from protein bearing in mind you are eating fats as well how do you eat too many carbs to cause enough insulin spikes to hinder fat loss?

How! Really Dude, Work On That Reading Comprehension.

[growing lad]

Eric let me blow your mind.... In a caloric deficit spike insulin allyou want...you can't store an abundance in a caloric deficit! Your body can't make adipose tissue out of thin air!
An overall deficit makes you lose fat combined with adequate protein and resistance training

This keto bullshit is getting out of hand, keto is good for fat loss for this main reason is suppresses appetite! Less hunger when cutting is a good thing obviously

But a keto diet with X calories and X protein when compared to a mixed diet with matched calories and matched protein has zero fucking difference.

I'm out.

[Erik C]

Eric let me blow your mind.... In a caloric deficit spike insulin allyou want...you can't store an abundance in a caloric deficit! Your body can't make adipose tissue out of thin air!
An overall deficit makes you lose fat combined with adequate protein and resistance training

This keto bullshit is getting out of hand, keto is good for fat loss for this main reason is suppresses appetite! Less hunger when cutting is a good thing obviously

But a keto diet with X calories and X protein when compared to a mixed diet with matched calories and matched protein has zero fucking difference.

I'm out OF MY MIND!

Fixed!

[Never1AShow]

I give Eric credit for the tremendous display of insanity posting all words capitalized.  Do you think he types that way or cuts and pastes the comment from a word document where he has converted to all words capitalized? Mid this, true insanity and quite sad.

[V Man]

Eric let me blow your mind.... In a caloric deficit spike insulin allyou want...you can't store an abundance in a caloric deficit! Your body can't make adipose tissue out of thin air!
An overall deficit makes you lose fat combined with adequate protein and resistance training

This keto bullshit is getting out of hand, keto is good for fat loss for this main reason is suppresses appetite! Less hunger when cutting is a good thing obviously

But a keto diet with X calories and X protein when compared to a mixed diet with matched calories and matched protein has zero fucking difference.

I'm out.

Not for me. I experimented with this last time I was cutting...did 4 weeks with a mixture of carbs, fats and proteins at around 2400 cals. Then switched to a keto type diet for 4 weeks, same calories, and saw a big difference in fat loss.

[FREAKgeek]

I give Eric credit for the tremendous display of insanity posting all words capitalized.  Do you think he types that way or cuts and pastes the comment from a word document where he has converted to all words capitalized? Mid this, true insanity and quite sad.

lol

[CC973]

Eric let me blow your mind.... In a caloric deficit spike insulin allyou want...you can't store an abundance in a caloric deficit! Your body can't make adipose tissue out of thin air!
An overall deficit makes you lose fat combined with adequate protein and resistance training

This keto bullshit is getting out of hand, keto is good for fat loss for this main reason is suppresses appetite! Less hunger when cutting is a good thing obviously

But a keto diet with X calories and X protein when compared to a mixed diet with matched calories and matched protein has zero fucking difference.

I'm out.

Wow, most idiotic comment on this post.

Being out there and having experience working with large numbers of clients tends to differentiate what actually works in the real world from some theoretical overly simplistic nonsense that may be suitable for some but a complete disaster for others.

[Devon97]

I Suspect That Question Was To Me, Not To "Be There." Organs: Liver, Kidneys, Heart, Lungs, Pancreas, Etc. On Low Calorie diets And Low Fat Diets, The Body's Organs Lose Mass. Does Not Happen On Extremely Low Carb, High Fat And Protein Diet. On That Diet The Only Thing You Lose Is Body Fat, And No Loss Of Muscle Mass.

The Ideal Is 70% Fat, 30% Protein. Mine Is Usually Around 65+% Fat, 25+% Protein, And Never More Than 10% Carbs, At Any One Meal. The "Bro" Version Of Anything Is Usually Wrong.

Protein Raises Insulin Levels, But No Where Near As High As Carbs Do. Your Charts Aren't Accurate At All. You Compare High Fiber Carbs To Proteins, So Really On A Gram Per Gram Basis, You Aren't Getting Equal Weights Of Carbs In The Form Of Sugars And Starches, That Do Spike Insulin High, Vs. Proteins That Don't Spike Insulin High At All. And You Have Beans As A Protein, When In Fact They Are High Carbs. On The Other Chart You Only Show Proteins, The Highest Being Whey, Though What Brand Of Whey We Don't Know, Since Most Brands Of Whey Are Loaded With Additives, Mostly Carbs. Still There Are No Sugars And Starches In That Chart, Which Would If They Had Been Shown, Been Much Higher In Insulin Spiking Ability, Than Protein Is.

Meat, And Most Proteins, Do Not Spike Insulin Levels Anywhere Near Where Sugars And Starches Spike Insulin Levels To. Whey Is Only Fart Powder, When The Manufacturer Puts In All Kinds Of Non Whey Crap Into It, Especially Carbs. Mix A Real Whey Isolate, Plain, With No Additives, A Couple Of Scoops, Into 8 Ounces Of Heavy Cream, And Ketosis Is No Problem.

The Guys Who Are In Limbo, Suffering, Irritable, Weak, And Miserable, Are The Ones Using Gear!

In No Parallel Universe Is Heavy Cream Better For Decreasing Body Fat Than A Yam, Avocado Or Coconut Oil.

[Erik C]

In No Parallel Universe Is Heavy Cream Better For Decreasing Body Fat Than A Yam, Avocado Or Coconut Oil.

Well, In This Universe It Is. That's Aside From The Difficulty One Would Have Mixing Whey Protein Isolate With Either Yams, Avocados, Or Coconut Oil.

[Simple Simon]

Not for me. I experimented with this last time I was cutting...did 4 weeks with a mixture of carbs, fats and proteins at around 2400 cals. Then switched to a keto type diet for 4 weeks, same calories, and saw a big difference in fat loss.

I did the opposite, I ate very low carbs and stalled, I then added carbs AND calories and had a kickstart of fat loss, I felt 100% better and could train much better and was full and vascular all the time.

[Simple Simon]

How! Really Dude, Work On That Reading Comprehension.

You use that statement in the same way a conspiracy theorist uses the term "do your own research"
Its when you have no idea what to respond with.