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Re: Better at their peak, Samir Bannout or Shawn Ray?
« Reply #50 on: August 09, 2016, 08:12:11 PM »
Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on August 09, 2016, 05:53:11 PM
I think Haney would have , he was just to big at that point. It would be close

I was at that show Haney dominated.
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Re: Better at their peak, Samir Bannout or Shawn Ray?
« Reply #51 on: August 09, 2016, 09:26:16 PM »
Ray vs Bannout.   Hmmm? Interesting.

I'm leaning towards Shawn Ray... and I'm not sure why.
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Re: Better at their peak, Samir Bannout or Shawn Ray?
« Reply #52 on: August 09, 2016, 09:58:11 PM »
Both are great.  I forgot out good Samir was until I saw these pics.

But, give them both the same drugs, and Shawn would still come out on top. 
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Re: Better at their peak, Samir Bannout or Shawn Ray?
« Reply #53 on: August 09, 2016, 10:01:36 PM »
It doesn't matter the drugs. What matters is what was. Samir's best vs. Shawn's best.
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Re: Better at their peak, Samir Bannout or Shawn Ray?
« Reply #54 on: August 09, 2016, 10:03:40 PM »
Quote from: Wiggs on August 09, 2016, 10:01:36 PM
It doesn't matter the drugs. What matters is what was. Samir's best vs. Shawn's best.

Shawn then by a Placentia, CA mile.
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Re: Better at their peak, Samir Bannout or Shawn Ray?
« Reply #55 on: August 09, 2016, 10:05:58 PM »
Quote from: SaintAnger on August 09, 2016, 10:03:40 PM
Shawn then by a Placentia, CA mile.

Fair enough, please state how you have him beating him. What version of Shawn?
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Re: Better at their peak, Samir Bannout or Shawn Ray?
« Reply #56 on: August 09, 2016, 10:14:52 PM »
Quote from: Wiggs on August 08, 2016, 05:14:49 PM
Tale Of The Tape


Samir Bannout
Height: 5'7 (170 cm)
Contest weight: 195 lbs (88 kg)

Notable victories: 1983 Mr. Olympia

Shawn Ray
Height: 5'6  (169 cm) (He's damn liar if he says 5'7...Hi "Sean" :-* )
Contest weight: Between 205-215 Looked his best around 205 (92kg)

Notable victories: 1991 Arnold Classic.

IMO it's closer than I thought it would be.  I just assumed Shawn was better but when putting Shawn vs. Samir's best in 1983, I find it hard to find a show where Shawn would be better.
BTW, Shawn did a video recently on the best bodybuilder under 212 and he stated himself that Samir would be the only person he would worry about and I'd have to agree.  I actually have Samir edging him but my opinion can be swayed if I see proof. To me, Samir's bdb is just too much for Shawn who has a great bdb in his own right.

Only onstage photos. Offseason means shit. IMO, Shawns best is either 1994 Mr. O or 1996 Mr. O.

Samir peaked only 1 year (1983). Shawn always came in excellent shape and condition year in and year out. Btw, Samir was MAX 5'6", not 5'7". He was shorter than Tom Platz.
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Re: Better at their peak, Samir Bannout or Shawn Ray?
« Reply #57 on: August 09, 2016, 10:17:30 PM »
Quote from: cephissus on August 08, 2016, 11:31:58 PM
Holy shit flex's back is ripped in that pic Walter posted...

So was Shawn's. He doesn't get the respect he deserves.
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Re: Better at their peak, Samir Bannout or Shawn Ray?
« Reply #58 on: August 09, 2016, 10:19:03 PM »
Quote from: Nether Animal on August 09, 2016, 08:13:58 AM
He had a lot of gas left in the tank, too


That pic alone of Shawn at the end of his career imo is better than 1983 Samir.
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Re: Better at their peak, Samir Bannout or Shawn Ray?
« Reply #59 on: August 10, 2016, 01:02:58 AM »
Quote from: Danimal77 on August 09, 2016, 10:14:52 PM
Samir peaked only 1 year (1983). Shawn always came in excellent shape and condition year in and year out. Btw, Samir was MAX 5'6", not 5'7". He was shorter than Tom Platz.

No he also did a NABBA show where he looked phenomenal but he got second to Kawak.  Think it was the NABBA World 1990. May have been his best showing ever.



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Re: Better at their peak, Samir Bannout or Shawn Ray?
« Reply #60 on: August 10, 2016, 01:08:29 AM »
Proof that today's trunks are not needed.
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Re: Better at their peak, Samir Bannout or Shawn Ray?
« Reply #61 on: August 10, 2016, 01:54:51 AM »
At the end of the day Samir has won the Olympia and Shawn never has
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Re: Better at their peak, Samir Bannout or Shawn Ray?
« Reply #62 on: August 10, 2016, 04:18:05 AM »
Quote from: Disgusted on August 10, 2016, 01:02:58 AM
No he also did a NABBA show where he looked phenomenal but he got second to Kawak.  Think it was the NABBA World 1990. May have been his best showing ever.




He also came second to Clairmonte in a NABBA Universe and looked phenomenal there as well, think it was around 93
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Re: Better at their peak, Samir Bannout or Shawn Ray?
« Reply #63 on: August 10, 2016, 05:18:18 AM »
Quote from: Bevo on August 10, 2016, 01:54:51 AM
At the end of the day Samir has won the Olympia and Shawn never has

This says absolutely nothing, since variables like era and drugs are way different. In case they grew up in the same era, Shawn would beat Samir in mass and maybe Samir Shawn in symmetry.
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Re: Better at their peak, Samir Bannout or Shawn Ray?
« Reply #64 on: August 10, 2016, 05:31:07 AM »
SAMIR 1990

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Re: Better at their peak, Samir Bannout or Shawn Ray?
« Reply #65 on: August 10, 2016, 05:39:16 AM »
shawn never could win the big one, and only won one pro show

shit there are a few pros that were more successful than him. shawn was good at running his mouth and hyping himself up .


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Re: Better at their peak, Samir Bannout or Shawn Ray?
« Reply #66 on: August 10, 2016, 05:56:42 AM »
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Re: Better at their peak, Samir Bannout or Shawn Ray?
« Reply #67 on: August 10, 2016, 06:23:58 PM »
Quote from: Nether Animal on August 10, 2016, 05:31:07 AM
SAMIR 1990








Thanks for posting
He looks very good
Mr. O winning calibre Physique again.
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Re: Better at their peak, Samir Bannout or Shawn Ray?
« Reply #68 on: August 10, 2016, 10:05:46 PM »
Samir at his peak.
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Re: Better at their peak, Samir Bannout or Shawn Ray?
« Reply #69 on: August 10, 2016, 10:37:50 PM »
From a classical physique standpoint, I'd have to say Samir.

But I much prefer prime Ray's build. He always appeared like one strong and powerful "little" dude. And he was.

Shawn was a very impressive squatter and presser. Great weight trainer. Made guys like Branch look like retarded know-nothings with spastic inclinations.

Ray was methodical, precise and technical. Like a machine. His squatting was beautiful.



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Re: Better at their peak, Samir Bannout or Shawn Ray?
« Reply #70 on: August 10, 2016, 11:44:48 PM »
Branch Warren is the Bostin Lloyd of training.
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Re: Better at their peak, Samir Bannout or Shawn Ray?
« Reply #71 on: August 11, 2016, 05:14:53 AM »
Quote from: Fortress on August 10, 2016, 10:37:50 PM
From a classical physique standpoint, I'd have to say Samir.

But I much prefer prime Ray's build. He always appeared like one strong and powerful "little" dude. And he was.

Shawn was a very impressive squatter and presser. Great weight trainer. Made guys like Branch look like retarded know-nothings with spastic inclinations.

Ray was methodical, precise and technical. Like a machine. His squatting was beautiful.




even on the 'flex'magazine show shawn who was playing with weights for tv but still great form and reps.
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Re: Better at their peak, Samir Bannout or Shawn Ray?
« Reply #72 on: August 11, 2016, 06:56:29 AM »
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Re: Better at their peak, Samir Bannout or Shawn Ray?
« Reply #73 on: August 11, 2016, 07:06:08 AM »
Quote from: Danimal77 on August 09, 2016, 10:14:52 PM
Samir peaked only 1 year (1983). Shawn always came in excellent shape and condition year in and year out. Btw, Samir was MAX 5'6", not 5'7". He was shorter than Tom Platz.

Stop saying this nonsense lol you don't know how tall he was unless YOU measured him yourself. I've seen Samir listed as 5'8" and 5'7" I'll go with the 5'7" unless YOU have something other than your opinion. And he's not looking shorter than Tom Platz here

And BTW Samir looks fantastic in 1982 and could have won that show as well.

Both Shawn and Samir have won only 2 pro contests , but Samir is a Mr Olympia and Shawn's not
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Re: Better at their peak, Samir Bannout or Shawn Ray?
« Reply #74 on: August 11, 2016, 11:56:05 AM »
^^^do Johhny Fuller's thighs look bigger than Platz's thighs?^^
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