Civil War Within The Democrat Party

[Primemuscle]

Gay leftists, lezbos, govt employee union types, welfare bums, 95'ers, and communists - thats it

Using your opinion stated above, how would you classify Republicans/conservatives?

[Soul Crusher]

Using your opinion stated above, how would you classify Republicans/conservatives?

Middle class whites , small biz owners , gun owners , married women , middle management types , athletic people , middle class latinos , cops, firemen , military ,

[polychronopolous]

Gay leftists, lezbos, govt employee union types, welfare bums, 95'ers, and communists - thats it

Cucks, liberal arts majors, sjws.

[Yamcha]

I admit it. I am a Democrat.

Perez Hilton, the openly gay gossip blogger known for tweeting an "upskirt" photo of Miley Cyrus and taking Miss USA contestant Carrie Prejean to task for her opposition to same-sex marriage is actually an "ultraconservative," according to Salon. A post by Mary Elizabeth Williams compares Hilton to such conservatives as James Dobson and The Atlantic's Caitlin Flanagan, then goes onto say: like an overly evangelical politician or priest (Hilton, interestingly, is an alum of the Belen Jesuit School), he spends his time obsessing on the sins of others -- but without the mannerly restraint those other guardians of our good behavior are obliged to show. He's closer in spirit to those abortion clinic protesters brandishing posters of fetuses, preferring to stomp around and wave his vivid shows of outrage in our faces. Look at this! Isn't it DISGUSTING? Here, let me get another eyeful. Still HORRIBLE!

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2010/07/is-perez-hilton-a-conservative/59453/

Does anyone honestly take this fellow seriously?

[Howard]

Middle class whites , small biz owners , gun owners , married women , middle management types , athletic people , middle class latinos , cops, firemen , military ,

Ok, I'm a straight ,married , white, middle class, USMC vet , NRA member and been involved in various sports my entire life.
I also support the police  and my wife works as a mid level bank exec and has a concealed carry license .

We don't like liberals much BUT are proud " Never Trump" libertarian conservatives.
We agree with many conservative ideals , but simply think Trump is an childish buffoon.

That really means, I have an independent mind and refuse to follow one parties guidelines
because they said to. Most people are sheep and that's why you could classify them in groups.

Oh, forgot to mention we also run a small, resort rental business.

Don't worry about being wrong about someone like me.
Even when on faculty at a small college, nobody thought I taught physics.
They all (wrongly) assumed I was part of the PE dept.

[mazrim]

We don't like liberals much BUT are proud " Never Trump" libertarian conservatives.
We agree with many conservative ideals , but simply think Trump is an childish buffoon.

That really means, I have an independent mind and refuse to follow one parties guidelines
because they said to. Most people are sheep and that's why you could classify them in groups.

Ah, you don't follow the "crowd" except in the case of "Never Trumpers". Makes sense. How about just be objective on issues instead of taking a stance that you are a Never Trumper? You are not an independent thinker. Painfully obvious by your posts.

Trump was not a normal Republican candidate. The crowd was not following party lines if the Republicans did not want him to win and repeatedly said that throughout the primaries, etc. Actually, he was more conservative overall then both McCain and Romney who you supposedly voted for.

[Dos Equis]

Now this made me laugh out loud.   

[Howard]

Ah, you don't follow the "crowd" except in the case of "Never Trumpers". Makes sense. How about just be objective on issues instead of taking a stance that you are a Never Trumper? You are not an independent thinker. Painfully obvious by your posts.

Trump was not a normal Republican candidate. The crowd was not following party lines if the Republicans did not want him to win and repeatedly said that throughout the primaries, etc. Actually, he was more conservative overall then both McCain and Romney who you supposedly voted for.

Thanks for an excellent, thoughtful reply.
Allow me to explain my "never Trump" view with a sports analogy.

Most NFL teams are very reluctant to start a rookie QB.
Regardless of raw talent, it takes playing experience to be  a great NFL  QB.
Plus , most rookie QB's lack the cool temperament to effectively lead the team all season long.

I view Trump as the rookie QB.
He has some raw political talent and got voters excited enough to support him.
BUT he lacked the political experience to legislate effectively.
Plus, he also lacks the measured cool demeanor an effective leader needs when under pressure.

Trump should have gone for Mayor of NYC or US  senator before running for President.

I think it's fair to say he's had to learn some things on the job.

Like the rookie QB he's taken his licks and COULD use that knowledge to
change and correct course.

Sadly, I don't think he will and end up more like Johnny Football than Tom Brady.

[polychronopolous]

Thanks for an excellent, thoughtful reply.
Allow me to explain my "never Trump" view with a sports analogy.

Most NFL teams are very reluctant to start a rookie QB.
Regardless of raw talent, it takes playing experience to be  a great NFL  QB.
Plus , most rookie QB's lack the cool temperament to effectively lead the team all season long.

I view Trump as the rookie QB.
He has some raw political talent and got voters excited enough to support him.
BUT he lacked the political experience to legislate effectively.
Plus, he also lacks the measured cool demeanor an effective leader needs when under pressure.

Trump should have gone for Mayor of NYC or US  senator before running for President.

I think it's fair to say he's had to learn some things on the job.

Like the rookie QB he's taken his licks and COULD use that knowledge to
change and correct course.

Sadly, I don't think he will and end up more like Johnny Football than Tom Brady.

Dak Prescott was a rookie qb last year and took his team to the playoffs as a one seed.

[Howard]

Dak Prescott was a rookie qb last year and took his team to the playoffs as a one seed.

To Paraphrase Sen Loyd Benson in the 1988 VP debate:

" I know Dak Prescott, I cheered for Dak Prescott and sadly say, Donald Trump is no Dak Prescott."

[polychronopolous]

To Paraphrase Sen Loyd Benson in the 1988 VP debate:

" I know Dak Prescott, I cheered for Dak Prescott and sadly say, Donald Trump is no Dak Prescott."

haha, just caught this one. 

[Howard]

haha, just caught this one. 

Thanks !

As for Pres. Trump all I ask is that we all keep an objective mind on this.
I'd simply remind Trump supporters they don't need to defend him if he did nothing wrong.

[polychronopolous]

Pelosi's Democratic critics plot to replace her




A dozen unhappy House Democrats met Thursday afternoon to discuss if — and how — they can replace Rep. Nancy Pelosi as minority leader.

Led by Reps. Kathleen Rice (D-N.Y.), Seth Moulton (D-Mass.) and Tim Ryan (D-Ohio), at least some in the group believe Pelosi has to go in order for Democrats to have a chance to win the House back in Nov. 2018. Ryan unsuccessfully challenged Pelosi for party leader back in November.


“There are many more people today, even from November, who are much more vocal, who have approached us and said, ‘I’m done. We need to move forward and we need to get a new leadership team in place,” Rice said after the hour-long meeting.

“There is a consensus, I think, that we can reach in the caucus that allows for a new leadership team to be put in place in a time that’s well before, hopefully, November of next year.”

But despite the renewed noise surrounding Pelosi’s leadership, no one within the caucus has stepped forward to challenge her and an actual coup against the long-time leader is still a long shot.

Rice, Moulton and others leaving the meeting said no decisions were made about their next steps but they plan to meet again and continue the discussions.

“The takeaway from the meeting is that we want to win again in 2018,” Moulton said, noting he’s seen a shift in the caucus since Pelosi’s leadership race last year. “I think people see the stakes more clearly.”

At least a dozen Democrats attended the confab including Congressional Black Caucus Chairman Cedric Richmond (La.), Tony Cardenas (Calif.), a member of House Democratic leadership, and Reps. Ami Bera (Calif.), Filemon Vela (Texas), Ruben Gallego (Ariz.) and Del. Stacey Plaskett (V.I.).

Roughly 20 Democrats were invited to the private session, although one member said some decided not to show up after POLITICO reported the meeting ahead of time.

The unhappiness within Democratic ranks has spiked since their loss in the special election in Georgia on Tuesday. Republicans spent millions of dollars on TV ads tying Democratic candidate Jon Ossoff to Pelosi, a tactic that has been used extensively — and successfully — by the GOP since 2010.

However, Pelosi and her allies don’t think her Democratic detractors have nearly enough support to topple her.

“I would say that too if I were her. But I can tell you that I’ve been speaking to a lot of members of the caucus who have supported her in the past – as have I – but the time has come,” Rice said.

But Pelosi was defiant in a Thursday news conference, even mocking intraparty critics, suggesting they’re more interested in promoting themselves than helping the party win back the majority.

“When it comes to personal ambition and having fun on TV, have your fun. I love the arena, I thrive on competition, and I welcome the discussion,” Pelosi said.

Richmond, leaving the Capitol later in the day, took a long pause before answering reporters’ questions about whether Pelosi should step down.

“I think that what we really need is just an internal conversation and a family conversation,” he finally responded. “I’ve been in the [state] legislature 11 years, Congress, I’ve never seen a speaker overthrown or a leader overthrown in my years.”

Richmond wouldn’t say whether he voted for Pelosi during her race against Ryan in November, insisting he keeps his positions as a member quiet to avoid getting construed as representing the entire CBC.

Richmond said he “probably” thought Democrats could take back the House with Pelosi as their leader but said they’d probably have to spend campaign money to counter the stream of Republican attacks vilifying Pelosi.

“We can’t let people keep describing her and talking about her in certain ways without us pushing back. We can’t run from the fact that she’s our leader,” Richmond said.

“Maybe instead of just completely running, maybe we turn around and fight.”

[polychronopolous]

Krauthammer Tells Tucker Carlson the Democrats Can't Survive on Idenity Politics Alone

[polychronopolous]

Krauthammer: If Democrats Pursue the ‘Sanders Route,’ It Would ‘Destroy’ Their Party

[Primemuscle]

Middle class whites , small biz owners , gun owners , married women , middle management types , athletic people , middle class latinos , cops, firemen , military ,

In other words the same as liberal Democrats.

Do you consider the Koch Brothers middle class?

Sam Walton is worth of over $100 billion. If this is the middle class, I'm impoverished.

Many rural areas across the country are heavily Republican.  In Oregon the Portland Metro area and Eugene are predominately Democrat while the rest of the state votes Republican.

[Soul Crusher]

In other words the same as liberal Democrats.

Do you consider the Koch Brothers middle class?

Sam Walton is worth of over $100 billion. If this is the middle class, I'm impoverished.

Many rural areas across the country are heavily Republican.  In Oregon the Portland Metro area and Eugene are predominately Democrat while the rest of the state votes Republican.

At your age and still delusional

[Dos Equis]

In other words the same as liberal Democrats.

Do you consider the Koch Brothers middle class?

Sam Walton is worth of over $100 billion. If this is the middle class, I'm impoverished.

Many rural areas across the country are heavily Republican.  In Oregon the Portland Metro area and Eugene are predominately Democrat while the rest of the state votes Republican.

Sam Walton is worth zero.  He's dead.

[Primemuscle]

Sam Walton is worth zero.  He's dead.

Are you suggesting he took his money with him? Frankly, you missed the point. Not surprising! 

Walton family fortune[edit]
The Walton family fortune totaling US$139 billion[8] according to Forbes magazine, as of April 26, 2017:
Jim Walton $36.8 billion
S. Robson Walton $36.8 billion
Alice Walton $36.6 billion
Lukas Walton $12 billion
Ann Walton Kroenke $6.4 billion
Christy Walton $5.8 billion
Nancy Walton Laurie $4.6 billion

Walmart’s PAC and the heirs to the company’s fortune are spending millions to influence the political process — and their money is often going to boost conservative candidates and causes, according to claims by a union-backed coalition pushing for more rights for Walmart workers.

Take issue with this, nitpicker.

[Dos Equis]

Are you suggesting he took his money with him? Frankly, you missed the point. Not surprising! 

Walton family fortune[edit]
The Walton family fortune totaling US$139 billion[8] according to Forbes magazine, as of April 26, 2017:
Jim Walton $36.8 billion
S. Robson Walton $36.8 billion
Alice Walton $36.6 billion
Lukas Walton $12 billion
Ann Walton Kroenke $6.4 billion
Christy Walton $5.8 billion
Nancy Walton Laurie $4.6 billion

Walmart’s PAC and the heirs to the company’s fortune are spending millions to influence the political process — and their money is often going to boost conservative candidates and causes, according to claims by a union-backed coalition pushing for more rights for Walmart workers.

Take issue with this, nitpicker.

No I'm not suggesting he took the money with him.  You were.  But thanks for clarifying.   

[Primemuscle]

No I'm not suggesting he took the money with him.  You were.  But thanks for clarifying.   

Well then, I blundered. As a senior citizen, I am well aware we cannot take our money or anything else with us when we pass.....unless we are stupid enough to be mummified in a pyramid somewhere out in the desert.

[Dos Equis]

Well then, I blundered. As a senior citizen, I am well aware we cannot take our money or anything else with us when we pass.....unless we are stupid enough to be mummified in a pyramid somewhere out in the desert.

Did you watch The Mummy?  Saw it this past weekend.  Meh. 

[jude2]

Krauthammer Tells Tucker Carlson the Democrats Can't Survive on Idenity Politics Alone

That old guy is bright.

[polychronopolous]

Bernie Sanders’ Democratic challenger isn’t buying his ‘Robin Hood shtick’



Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders (I) is highly popular among Democratic voters, but his 2018 Senate challenger said he believes Sanders’ “man of the people” persona is nothing but a gimmick, according to Fox News.

First-time candidate Jon Svitavsky claims to be far more anti-establishment — and socialist — than Sanders, saying he is “far more liberal.”

“It’s shamefully arrogant when you’re more interested in being a celebrity than honoring your progressive agenda,” Svitavsky told Fox News about Sanders. “This wonderful, political ‘I am Robin Hood shtick’ can only last for so long.”

Svitavsky said he is planning to challenge Sanders in 2018, and claims to have enough name recognition within the state of Vermont to put up a decent fight.


Fox News reported that during a Tuesday interview Svitavsky blamed Sanders for Trump’s victory, and claimed that after he damaged failed Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s chances for the White House, slunk back to being an Independent.

“I hold him absolutely, centrally responsible for Donald Trump being president,” Svitavsky told NBC News. “That’s my No. 1 issue.”

According to NBC News, Svitavsky claims that within hours of “soft-launching” his campaign, he had already received word of people who wanted to donate and volunteer for his campaign.

“There’s a lot of anger out there in my party against Bernie,” Svitavsky said

Svitavsky believes the ongoing FBI investigation into Sanders, and his wife Jane have left the Vermont senator vulnerable. Jane Sanders faces potential fraud charges after she allegedly secured a $10 million loan under false pretenses from People’s United Bank in 2010 in order to purchase 33 acres of land for the now-closed Burlington College.

Rumors have circulated that Sanders used his political office to help his wife secure these loans, an allegation that Sanders has called an “absolute lie.” Sanders has declined to say too much about the ongoing investigation, except to blame the accusations of fraud on Trump campaign heads.

Svitavsky told Fox News that in conjunction with the investigation, the election loss, and the fact that Sanders reportedly still has $3.8 million in various Senate accounts, opens a door of opportunity for him to seriously challenge Sanders as a phony. He also believes that his time opening homeless shelters across the state of Vermont has given him enough facial recognition, giving him strong grassroots support.

“I think that resonates,”  Svitavsky said. “And I’m not unknown here. People might say I don’t have political experience but not that I’m insincere. … I’m far more liberal than Bernie, far more committed to making things happen.”

Sanders, however, remains one of the most popular politicians in America today. According to a Tuesday Morning Consult poll, Sanders ranks No. 1 with a 75 percent approval rating among nationwide voters. Among Democrats nationwide, an April Harvard-Harris survey found that Sanders enjoys an 80 percent approval rating. A March Fox News poll likewise found that Sanders was the most popular politician in America.

“He’s not a Democrat. That was a joke,” said Svitavsky of Sanders’ White House bid.

While Sanders has given no indication that he will not run for his Senate seat again next year, he said during a radio interview on Thursday that he’s not ruling at a 2020 bid for president. While Sanders, 75, has said he’s not ruling out such a run, it’s still too early for him to decide.

[polychronopolous]

Warren takes early salvo from GOP hopeful: ‘A real Indian can defeat a fake Indian’

Mumbai-born entrepreneur: ‘I sent her a DNA test kit for her birthday’   



Entrepreneur Shiva Ayyadurai has thrown down a rhetorical gauntlet to critics of his plan to unseat Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren in 2018: “Only a real Indian can defeat a fake Indian.”

Fox Business Network invited Cambridge’s start-up king on air Wednesday to discuss his realization of the American dream as an immigrant in 1970. Mr. Ayyadurai said that in addition to his seven successful companies and multiple degrees from MIT, his resume is poised to include the role of U.S. senator from Massachusetts.
“
I’m looking forward to going against Warren,” Mr. Ayyadurai said. “I know how these elites work. I know I can defeat her.”

The tech-minded businessman, who holds a 1982 federal copyright called EMAIL, added that he was looking forward to the State Convention in April 2018 and the Republican primary election in September.

“In Massachusetts, 46 percent of Democrats have said that Elizabeth Warren should not run,” Mr. Ayyaduraiadded. “So there’s a significant opportunity here. For me, defeating Elizabeth Warren in Massachusetts is driving a bigger blow to these institutions of power right in the belly of the beast.”