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« Reply #750 on: July 11, 2018, 06:13:46 PM »

Unless it can be 100% disproved, it is possible.
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« Reply #751 on: July 19, 2018, 04:27:05 PM »

 Grin  https://nypost.com/2018/07/19/evidence-against-manafort-includes-emails-to-bernies-top-strategist/


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« Reply #752 on: July 20, 2018, 07:49:11 AM »

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« Reply #753 on: July 20, 2018, 02:27:38 PM »



As if Trump has actually achieved these talking points.
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« Reply #754 on: July 20, 2018, 05:14:49 PM »

As if Trump has actually achieved these talking points.

6+ years left, give it time. Cool
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« Reply #755 on: July 22, 2018, 04:38:33 PM »

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« Reply #756 on: July 23, 2018, 11:25:50 AM »

Will the 12 Tapes prove collusion?! Or will it prove that a married man had consensual sex with another woman before the election?


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« Reply #757 on: July 23, 2018, 11:36:43 AM »

https://spectator.org/confirmed-john-brennan-colluded-with-foreign-spies-to-defeat-trump


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« Reply #758 on: July 23, 2018, 11:39:11 AM »

Will the 12 Tapes prove collusion?! Or will it prove that a married man had consensual sex with another woman before the election?

If this involved a Democrat, we would have already seen a letter or op ed signed by numerous "legal scholars" talking about how creepy it is for this guy to be recording his clients. 
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« Reply #759 on: July 23, 2018, 11:48:55 AM »

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jiwLkOggfo" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jiwLkOggfo</a>
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« Reply #760 on: July 23, 2018, 12:17:24 PM »

If this involved a Democrat, we would have already seen a letter or op ed signed by numerous "legal scholars" talking about how creepy it is for this guy to be recording his clients. 

Actually it is extremely unethical for someone's attorney to do this without their clients permission. My guess is anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows to protect themselves when dealing with Trump because he'll turn on them in an instant.
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« Reply #761 on: July 23, 2018, 01:32:20 PM »

Actually it is extremely unethical for someone's attorney to do this without their clients permission. My guess is anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows to protect themselves when dealing with Trump because he'll turn on them in an instant.

BS.  Then don't represent him in the first place.  I doubt Trump is the only person he recorded. 
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« Reply #762 on: July 23, 2018, 01:40:10 PM »

The GOP memo was accurate.  Amazing how Democrats are just lockstep lying about this thing.  Bunch of nuts. 

FISA warrant application supports Nunes memo
by Byron York
July 22, 2018
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« Reply #763 on: July 23, 2018, 01:40:13 PM »

BS.  Then don't represent him in the first place.  I doubt Trump is the only person he recorded.  

-Probably not.

BS? Does this mean you believe Trump is actually loyal to his friends and associates?
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« Reply #764 on: July 23, 2018, 01:51:20 PM »

-Probably not.

BS? Does this mean you believe Trump is actually loyal to his friends and associates?

I mean using that excuse as a pretext to record him is BS.  Like I said, don't represent him. 

No I don't think Trump is loyal to all of his associates.  Not sure about this friends.  He treated Sessions like crap.  Not cool at all. 
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« Reply #765 on: July 23, 2018, 08:14:08 PM »

I mean using that excuse as a pretext to record him is BS.  Like I said, don't represent him. 

No I don't think Trump is loyal to all of his associates.  Not sure about this friends.  He treated Sessions like crap.  Not cool at all. 

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« Reply #766 on: July 24, 2018, 02:53:15 AM »

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The Greatest Hysteria in American History
Townhall ^ | 7-24-2018 | Dennis Prager
Posted on 7/24/2018, 6:11:31 AM by servo1969

You and I are living through the greatest mass hysteria in American history. For many Americans, the McCarthy era held that dubious distinction, but what is happening now is incomparably worse.

For one thing, any hysteria that existed then was directed against the greatest evil in the world at the time: communism. Then-Sen. Joseph McCarthy and the House Un-American Activities Committee notwithstanding, there really were Americans in important positions who supported communist regimes enslaving their populations and committing mass murder. McCarthy was on to something.

In contrast, the country is choking on hysteria over the extremely unlikely possibility -- for which there is still no evidence -- that Donald Trump's campaign colluded with the Russian government to meddle in the 2016 presidential election, and the absurdity that President Trump works for Russian President Vladimir Putin.

For another, the mainstream media did not support McCarthy. Most in the media were highly critical of McCarthy. Today, the mainstream media are not the voices of caution. They are the creators of the hysteria. There have been conspiracy theories throughout American history (e.g. Lee Harvey Oswald didn't kill President John F. Kennedy alone; the moon landing never happened). But this is the first time the media have created and promoted a conspiracy. Not surprisingly, they have dropped any pretense of objective reporting in the process.

And while some Americans were unfairly labeled communists during the McCarthy era, countless Democratic politicians and leaders in news and entertainment have called members of the Trump administration and the tens of millions of Americans who support the president fascists, white supremacists, haters, xenophobes and even Nazis.

MSNBC contributor Jill Wine-Banks said of the Trump-Putin Helsinki press conference: "It's just as serious to me as the Cuban Missile Crisis in terms of an attack, or the 9/11 attack. ... (Trump's) performance today will live in infamy as much as the Pearl Harbor attack or Kristallnacht."

Former communist, Obama operative and CIA Director John Brennan tweeted: "Donald Trump's press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of 'high crimes & misdemeanors.' It was nothing short of treasonous."

The constant invoking of the Holocaust, the Nazis and now Kristallnacht (the unofficial beginning of the Holocaust, a night in 1938 when German Jews were beaten to death, synagogues were burned and Jewish shops were destroyed) only minimizes the evils of Nazism and the Holocaust. A young American who, having gone to a typical university, probably knows nothing about the Nazis and the Holocaust will now think Nazism and the Holocaust were 20th-century expressions of Trump and American conservatism.

All this hysteria is built on next to nothing. At its core, it is an attempt to undo the 2016 election. The mainstream media refuse to accept that Hillary Clinton lost. They said she would win -- handily. They predicted a landslide. How could they have possibly gotten it so wrong? Their answer is they didn't; Trump and Putin stole it.

If truth mattered to the media, their ongoing narrative would be: "Democrats and the left still do not accept Trump victory."

If truth mattered to the media, every American would know Trump has been harder on Russia than former President Barack Obama was. Every American would be reminded that Obama reassured Putin's right-hand man, then-Russian President Dmitri Medvedev, that he wouldn't be too tough on Russia. Thinking his mic was off, he whispered into Medvedev's ear: "This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility."

If truth mattered to the media, every American would be reminded that Obama sent Army meals to Ukraine and Trump has sent anti-tank missiles and other arms to repel the Russians.

If truth mattered to the media, every American would be reminded that Obama watched Syria burn and Russia come to dominate that country, while Trump has bombed Syrian military installations, including one where Russians were killed.

If truth mattered to the media, every American would be reminded that it is Trump who has weakened Russia's ally Iran, while Obama immeasurably strengthened it.

Instead the media scream "treason," "impeachment" and the like 24/7; Hollywood stars curse the president; others curse his daughter or the first lady (one of the most regal in American history) and show President Trump in various death poses. Meanwhile, leftist mobs shout at administration officials and Republican members of Congress while they eat in restaurants, shop in stores and sleep in their homes.

If you vote Democrat this November, you are voting for hysteria, lies, socialism and even the cheapening of the Holocaust.

But more than anything, a vote for Democrats in November is a vote for hysteria -- the greatest and darkest in American history.
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« Reply #767 on: July 24, 2018, 09:40:22 AM »

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The Greatest Hysteria in American History
Townhall ^ | 7-24-2018 | Dennis Prager
Posted on 7/24/2018, 6:11:31 AM by servo1969

You and I are living through the greatest mass hysteria in American history. For many Americans, the McCarthy era held that dubious distinction, but what is happening now is incomparably worse.

For one thing, any hysteria that existed then was directed against the greatest evil in the world at the time: communism. Then-Sen. Joseph McCarthy and the House Un-American Activities Committee notwithstanding, there really were Americans in important positions who supported communist regimes enslaving their populations and committing mass murder. McCarthy was on to something.

In contrast, the country is choking on hysteria over the extremely unlikely possibility -- for which there is still no evidence -- that Donald Trump's campaign colluded with the Russian government to meddle in the 2016 presidential election, and the absurdity that President Trump works for Russian President Vladimir Putin.

For another, the mainstream media did not support McCarthy. Most in the media were highly critical of McCarthy. Today, the mainstream media are not the voices of caution. They are the creators of the hysteria. There have been conspiracy theories throughout American history (e.g. Lee Harvey Oswald didn't kill President John F. Kennedy alone; the moon landing never happened). But this is the first time the media have created and promoted a conspiracy. Not surprisingly, they have dropped any pretense of objective reporting in the process.

And while some Americans were unfairly labeled communists during the McCarthy era, countless Democratic politicians and leaders in news and entertainment have called members of the Trump administration and the tens of millions of Americans who support the president fascists, white supremacists, haters, xenophobes and even Nazis.

MSNBC contributor Jill Wine-Banks said of the Trump-Putin Helsinki press conference: "It's just as serious to me as the Cuban Missile Crisis in terms of an attack, or the 9/11 attack. ... (Trump's) performance today will live in infamy as much as the Pearl Harbor attack or Kristallnacht."

Former communist, Obama operative and CIA Director John Brennan tweeted: "Donald Trump's press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of 'high crimes & misdemeanors.' It was nothing short of treasonous."

The constant invoking of the Holocaust, the Nazis and now Kristallnacht (the unofficial beginning of the Holocaust, a night in 1938 when German Jews were beaten to death, synagogues were burned and Jewish shops were destroyed) only minimizes the evils of Nazism and the Holocaust. A young American who, having gone to a typical university, probably knows nothing about the Nazis and the Holocaust will now think Nazism and the Holocaust were 20th-century expressions of Trump and American conservatism.

All this hysteria is built on next to nothing. At its core, it is an attempt to undo the 2016 election. The mainstream media refuse to accept that Hillary Clinton lost. They said she would win -- handily. They predicted a landslide. How could they have possibly gotten it so wrong? Their answer is they didn't; Trump and Putin stole it.

If truth mattered to the media, their ongoing narrative would be: "Democrats and the left still do not accept Trump victory."

If truth mattered to the media, every American would know Trump has been harder on Russia than former President Barack Obama was. Every American would be reminded that Obama reassured Putin's right-hand man, then-Russian President Dmitri Medvedev, that he wouldn't be too tough on Russia. Thinking his mic was off, he whispered into Medvedev's ear: "This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility."

If truth mattered to the media, every American would be reminded that Obama sent Army meals to Ukraine and Trump has sent anti-tank missiles and other arms to repel the Russians.

If truth mattered to the media, every American would be reminded that Obama watched Syria burn and Russia come to dominate that country, while Trump has bombed Syrian military installations, including one where Russians were killed.

If truth mattered to the media, every American would be reminded that it is Trump who has weakened Russia's ally Iran, while Obama immeasurably strengthened it.

Instead the media scream "treason," "impeachment" and the like 24/7; Hollywood stars curse the president; others curse his daughter or the first lady (one of the most regal in American history) and show President Trump in various death poses. Meanwhile, leftist mobs shout at administration officials and Republican members of Congress while they eat in restaurants, shop in stores and sleep in their homes.

If you vote Democrat this November, you are voting for hysteria, lies, socialism and even the cheapening of the Holocaust.

But more than anything, a vote for Democrats in November is a vote for hysteria -- the greatest and darkest in American history.


Spot on.  Good commentary. 
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« Reply #768 on: July 24, 2018, 02:28:01 PM »

I mean using that excuse as a pretext to record him is BS.  Like I said, don't represent him. 

No I don't think Trump is loyal to all of his associates.  Not sure about this friends.  He treated Sessions like crap.  Not cool at all. 

I think it is just great when you and I have a reasonable conversation like this one. I guess we can agree that secret recordings of confidential conversations is the height of being unethical, whether the violation of trust is by one's lawyer, doctor and even friends. Who in their right mind would ever retain Cohen at this point?
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« Reply #769 on: July 24, 2018, 06:27:53 PM »

I think it is just great when you and I have a reasonable conversation like this one. I guess we can agree that secret recordings of confidential conversations is the height of being unethical, whether the violation of trust is by one's lawyer, doctor and even friends. Who in their right mind would ever retain Cohen at this point?
I assume these recordings were made in NY.

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Who must give permission to record a telephone or in-person conversation?
Federal law permits recording telephone calls and in-person conversations with the consent of at least one of the parties. See 18 U.S.C. 2511(2)(d). This is called a "one-party consent" law. Under a one-party consent law, you can record a phone call or conversation so long as you are a party to the conversation. Furthermore, if you are not a party to the conversation, a "one-party consent" law will allow you to record the conversation or phone call so long as your source consents and has full knowledge that the communication will be recorded.
In addition to federal law, thirty-eight states and the District of Columbia have adopted "one-party consent" laws and permit individuals to record phone calls and conversations to which they are a party or when one party to the communication consents. See the State Law: Recording section of this legal guide for information on state wiretapping laws.
When must you get permission from everyone involved before recording?
Eleven states require the consent of every party to a phone call or conversation in order to make the recording lawful. These "two-party consent" laws have been adopted in California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington.
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« Reply #770 on: July 24, 2018, 08:16:10 PM »

I think it is just great when you and I have a reasonable conversation like this one. I guess we can agree that secret recordings of confidential conversations is the height of being unethical, whether the violation of trust is by one's lawyer, doctor and even friends. Who in their right mind would ever retain Cohen at this point?

I agree.
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« Reply #771 on: July 24, 2018, 08:28:14 PM »

I agree.

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« Reply #772 on: July 25, 2018, 03:53:38 PM »

I assume these recordings were made in NY.


You probably assume right. Supposedly, CNN was given one or more of these recordings as reported yesterday. I wasn't interested enough to wait for CNN reporters to actually comment on what's on them.
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« Reply #773 on: July 25, 2018, 05:22:49 PM »

You probably assume right. Supposedly, CNN was given one or more of these recordings as reported yesterday. I wasn't interested enough to wait for CNN reporters to actually comment on what's on them.
You can barely hear Trump and his lawyer discussing payments but nothing about who to or what for. Pretty lame from the part I heard.
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« Reply #774 on: July 25, 2018, 06:05:38 PM »

You can barely hear Trump and his lawyer discussing payments but nothing about who to or what for. Pretty lame from the part I heard.

Again, irrelevant. If you had trump on tape video and signed affidavit saying he payed off Stormy or anyone else... it wouldn't matter in the long run. No one cares. 
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