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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #750 on: July 23, 2018, 02:40:13 PM »
BS.  Then don't represent him in the first place.  I doubt Trump is the only person he recorded.  

-Probably not.

BS? Does this mean you believe Trump is actually loyal to his friends and associates?

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #751 on: July 23, 2018, 02:51:20 PM »
-Probably not.

BS? Does this mean you believe Trump is actually loyal to his friends and associates?

I mean using that excuse as a pretext to record him is BS.  Like I said, don't represent him. 

No I don't think Trump is loyal to all of his associates.  Not sure about this friends.  He treated Sessions like crap.  Not cool at all. 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #752 on: July 23, 2018, 09:14:08 PM »
I mean using that excuse as a pretext to record him is BS.  Like I said, don't represent him. 

No I don't think Trump is loyal to all of his associates.  Not sure about this friends.  He treated Sessions like crap.  Not cool at all. 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #753 on: July 24, 2018, 03:53:15 AM »
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The Greatest Hysteria in American History
Townhall ^ | 7-24-2018 | Dennis Prager
Posted on 7/24/2018, 6:11:31 AM by servo1969

You and I are living through the greatest mass hysteria in American history. For many Americans, the McCarthy era held that dubious distinction, but what is happening now is incomparably worse.

For one thing, any hysteria that existed then was directed against the greatest evil in the world at the time: communism. Then-Sen. Joseph McCarthy and the House Un-American Activities Committee notwithstanding, there really were Americans in important positions who supported communist regimes enslaving their populations and committing mass murder. McCarthy was on to something.

In contrast, the country is choking on hysteria over the extremely unlikely possibility -- for which there is still no evidence -- that Donald Trump's campaign colluded with the Russian government to meddle in the 2016 presidential election, and the absurdity that President Trump works for Russian President Vladimir Putin.

For another, the mainstream media did not support McCarthy. Most in the media were highly critical of McCarthy. Today, the mainstream media are not the voices of caution. They are the creators of the hysteria. There have been conspiracy theories throughout American history (e.g. Lee Harvey Oswald didn't kill President John F. Kennedy alone; the moon landing never happened). But this is the first time the media have created and promoted a conspiracy. Not surprisingly, they have dropped any pretense of objective reporting in the process.

And while some Americans were unfairly labeled communists during the McCarthy era, countless Democratic politicians and leaders in news and entertainment have called members of the Trump administration and the tens of millions of Americans who support the president fascists, white supremacists, haters, xenophobes and even Nazis.

MSNBC contributor Jill Wine-Banks said of the Trump-Putin Helsinki press conference: "It's just as serious to me as the Cuban Missile Crisis in terms of an attack, or the 9/11 attack. ... (Trump's) performance today will live in infamy as much as the Pearl Harbor attack or Kristallnacht."

Former communist, Obama operative and CIA Director John Brennan tweeted: "Donald Trump's press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of 'high crimes & misdemeanors.' It was nothing short of treasonous."

The constant invoking of the Holocaust, the Nazis and now Kristallnacht (the unofficial beginning of the Holocaust, a night in 1938 when German Jews were beaten to death, synagogues were burned and Jewish shops were destroyed) only minimizes the evils of Nazism and the Holocaust. A young American who, having gone to a typical university, probably knows nothing about the Nazis and the Holocaust will now think Nazism and the Holocaust were 20th-century expressions of Trump and American conservatism.

All this hysteria is built on next to nothing. At its core, it is an attempt to undo the 2016 election. The mainstream media refuse to accept that Hillary Clinton lost. They said she would win -- handily. They predicted a landslide. How could they have possibly gotten it so wrong? Their answer is they didn't; Trump and Putin stole it.

If truth mattered to the media, their ongoing narrative would be: "Democrats and the left still do not accept Trump victory."

If truth mattered to the media, every American would know Trump has been harder on Russia than former President Barack Obama was. Every American would be reminded that Obama reassured Putin's right-hand man, then-Russian President Dmitri Medvedev, that he wouldn't be too tough on Russia. Thinking his mic was off, he whispered into Medvedev's ear: "This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility."

If truth mattered to the media, every American would be reminded that Obama sent Army meals to Ukraine and Trump has sent anti-tank missiles and other arms to repel the Russians.

If truth mattered to the media, every American would be reminded that Obama watched Syria burn and Russia come to dominate that country, while Trump has bombed Syrian military installations, including one where Russians were killed.

If truth mattered to the media, every American would be reminded that it is Trump who has weakened Russia's ally Iran, while Obama immeasurably strengthened it.

Instead the media scream "treason," "impeachment" and the like 24/7; Hollywood stars curse the president; others curse his daughter or the first lady (one of the most regal in American history) and show President Trump in various death poses. Meanwhile, leftist mobs shout at administration officials and Republican members of Congress while they eat in restaurants, shop in stores and sleep in their homes.

If you vote Democrat this November, you are voting for hysteria, lies, socialism and even the cheapening of the Holocaust.

But more than anything, a vote for Democrats in November is a vote for hysteria -- the greatest and darkest in American history.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #754 on: July 24, 2018, 10:40:22 AM »
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The Greatest Hysteria in American History
Townhall ^ | 7-24-2018 | Dennis Prager
Posted on 7/24/2018, 6:11:31 AM by servo1969

You and I are living through the greatest mass hysteria in American history. For many Americans, the McCarthy era held that dubious distinction, but what is happening now is incomparably worse.

For one thing, any hysteria that existed then was directed against the greatest evil in the world at the time: communism. Then-Sen. Joseph McCarthy and the House Un-American Activities Committee notwithstanding, there really were Americans in important positions who supported communist regimes enslaving their populations and committing mass murder. McCarthy was on to something.

In contrast, the country is choking on hysteria over the extremely unlikely possibility -- for which there is still no evidence -- that Donald Trump's campaign colluded with the Russian government to meddle in the 2016 presidential election, and the absurdity that President Trump works for Russian President Vladimir Putin.

For another, the mainstream media did not support McCarthy. Most in the media were highly critical of McCarthy. Today, the mainstream media are not the voices of caution. They are the creators of the hysteria. There have been conspiracy theories throughout American history (e.g. Lee Harvey Oswald didn't kill President John F. Kennedy alone; the moon landing never happened). But this is the first time the media have created and promoted a conspiracy. Not surprisingly, they have dropped any pretense of objective reporting in the process.

And while some Americans were unfairly labeled communists during the McCarthy era, countless Democratic politicians and leaders in news and entertainment have called members of the Trump administration and the tens of millions of Americans who support the president fascists, white supremacists, haters, xenophobes and even Nazis.

MSNBC contributor Jill Wine-Banks said of the Trump-Putin Helsinki press conference: "It's just as serious to me as the Cuban Missile Crisis in terms of an attack, or the 9/11 attack. ... (Trump's) performance today will live in infamy as much as the Pearl Harbor attack or Kristallnacht."

Former communist, Obama operative and CIA Director John Brennan tweeted: "Donald Trump's press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of 'high crimes & misdemeanors.' It was nothing short of treasonous."

The constant invoking of the Holocaust, the Nazis and now Kristallnacht (the unofficial beginning of the Holocaust, a night in 1938 when German Jews were beaten to death, synagogues were burned and Jewish shops were destroyed) only minimizes the evils of Nazism and the Holocaust. A young American who, having gone to a typical university, probably knows nothing about the Nazis and the Holocaust will now think Nazism and the Holocaust were 20th-century expressions of Trump and American conservatism.

All this hysteria is built on next to nothing. At its core, it is an attempt to undo the 2016 election. The mainstream media refuse to accept that Hillary Clinton lost. They said she would win -- handily. They predicted a landslide. How could they have possibly gotten it so wrong? Their answer is they didn't; Trump and Putin stole it.

If truth mattered to the media, their ongoing narrative would be: "Democrats and the left still do not accept Trump victory."

If truth mattered to the media, every American would know Trump has been harder on Russia than former President Barack Obama was. Every American would be reminded that Obama reassured Putin's right-hand man, then-Russian President Dmitri Medvedev, that he wouldn't be too tough on Russia. Thinking his mic was off, he whispered into Medvedev's ear: "This is my last election. After my election, I have more flexibility."

If truth mattered to the media, every American would be reminded that Obama sent Army meals to Ukraine and Trump has sent anti-tank missiles and other arms to repel the Russians.

If truth mattered to the media, every American would be reminded that Obama watched Syria burn and Russia come to dominate that country, while Trump has bombed Syrian military installations, including one where Russians were killed.

If truth mattered to the media, every American would be reminded that it is Trump who has weakened Russia's ally Iran, while Obama immeasurably strengthened it.

Instead the media scream "treason," "impeachment" and the like 24/7; Hollywood stars curse the president; others curse his daughter or the first lady (one of the most regal in American history) and show President Trump in various death poses. Meanwhile, leftist mobs shout at administration officials and Republican members of Congress while they eat in restaurants, shop in stores and sleep in their homes.

If you vote Democrat this November, you are voting for hysteria, lies, socialism and even the cheapening of the Holocaust.

But more than anything, a vote for Democrats in November is a vote for hysteria -- the greatest and darkest in American history.


Spot on.  Good commentary. 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #755 on: July 24, 2018, 03:28:01 PM »
I mean using that excuse as a pretext to record him is BS.  Like I said, don't represent him. 

No I don't think Trump is loyal to all of his associates.  Not sure about this friends.  He treated Sessions like crap.  Not cool at all. 

I think it is just great when you and I have a reasonable conversation like this one. I guess we can agree that secret recordings of confidential conversations is the height of being unethical, whether the violation of trust is by one's lawyer, doctor and even friends. Who in their right mind would ever retain Cohen at this point?

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #756 on: July 24, 2018, 07:27:53 PM »
I think it is just great when you and I have a reasonable conversation like this one. I guess we can agree that secret recordings of confidential conversations is the height of being unethical, whether the violation of trust is by one's lawyer, doctor and even friends. Who in their right mind would ever retain Cohen at this point?
I assume these recordings were made in NY.

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Who must give permission to record a telephone or in-person conversation?
Federal law permits recording telephone calls and in-person conversations with the consent of at least one of the parties. See 18 U.S.C. 2511(2)(d). This is called a "one-party consent" law. Under a one-party consent law, you can record a phone call or conversation so long as you are a party to the conversation. Furthermore, if you are not a party to the conversation, a "one-party consent" law will allow you to record the conversation or phone call so long as your source consents and has full knowledge that the communication will be recorded.
In addition to federal law, thirty-eight states and the District of Columbia have adopted "one-party consent" laws and permit individuals to record phone calls and conversations to which they are a party or when one party to the communication consents. See the State Law: Recording section of this legal guide for information on state wiretapping laws.
When must you get permission from everyone involved before recording?
Eleven states require the consent of every party to a phone call or conversation in order to make the recording lawful. These "two-party consent" laws have been adopted in California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Montana, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Washington.
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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #757 on: July 24, 2018, 09:16:10 PM »
I think it is just great when you and I have a reasonable conversation like this one. I guess we can agree that secret recordings of confidential conversations is the height of being unethical, whether the violation of trust is by one's lawyer, doctor and even friends. Who in their right mind would ever retain Cohen at this point?

I agree.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #758 on: July 24, 2018, 09:28:14 PM »

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #759 on: July 25, 2018, 04:53:38 PM »
I assume these recordings were made in NY.


You probably assume right. Supposedly, CNN was given one or more of these recordings as reported yesterday. I wasn't interested enough to wait for CNN reporters to actually comment on what's on them.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #760 on: July 25, 2018, 06:22:49 PM »
You probably assume right. Supposedly, CNN was given one or more of these recordings as reported yesterday. I wasn't interested enough to wait for CNN reporters to actually comment on what's on them.
You can barely hear Trump and his lawyer discussing payments but nothing about who to or what for. Pretty lame from the part I heard.
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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #761 on: July 25, 2018, 07:05:38 PM »
You can barely hear Trump and his lawyer discussing payments but nothing about who to or what for. Pretty lame from the part I heard.

Again, irrelevant. If you had trump on tape video and signed affidavit saying he payed off Stormy or anyone else... it wouldn't matter in the long run. No one cares. 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #762 on: July 25, 2018, 07:08:35 PM »
Again, irrelevant. If you had trump on tape video and signed affidavit saying he payed off Stormy or anyone else... it wouldn't matter in the long run. No one cares. 
I agree. At this point in time the media has thrown so much at Trump that I would think most normal people just don't give a fuck and want to live their lives.
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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #763 on: July 30, 2018, 03:29:11 PM »
The Facts Behind The Trump Tower Meeting Are Incriminating, But Not For Trump
The real colluders with Russia are the Democrats, intelligence agencies, and corporate media. The facts about the Trump Tower meeting only reinforce that.
 Willis L. Krumholz By Willis L. Krumholz
JULY 30, 2018
http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/30/facts-behind-trump-tower-meeting-incriminating-not-trump/

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #764 on: July 30, 2018, 04:44:37 PM »
The Facts Behind The Trump Tower Meeting Are Incriminating, But Not For Trump
The real colluders with Russia are the Democrats, intelligence agencies, and corporate media. The facts about the Trump Tower meeting only reinforce that.
 Willis L. Krumholz By Willis L. Krumholz
JULY 30, 2018
http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/30/facts-behind-trump-tower-meeting-incriminating-not-trump/

And Stormy Daniels raped Trump

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #765 on: July 30, 2018, 04:49:45 PM »
So was Cohen lying then or is he lying now?  Regardless, still an absolutely stupid conspiracy theory.

Trump promotes Cohen tweet on Russia meeting ‘nonsense’

BY BRETT SAMUELS - 07/29/18

President Trump early Sunday resurfaced an old tweet from Michael Cohen in which his former personal attorney praises Donald Trump Jr. for his transparency regarding a meeting with a Russian lawyer at Trump Tower.

The president asked on Twitter whether the media would "ever report on this tweet from Michael?"

"So proud of @DonaldJTrumpJr for being open, honest and transparent to the American people. This nonsense needs to stop!" Cohen tweeted on July 11, 2017, the same day Trump Jr. shared emails about the meeting to pre-empt a New York Times report.

The president's tweet on Sunday comes as he wages a credibility battle with Cohen, who reportedly claims he had prior knowledge of the meeting between his son and a Kremlin-connected lawyer.

CNN reported that Cohen is willing share his account with special counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating alleged ties between the Trump campaign and Moscow's efforts to interfere in the 2016 election.

The president lashed out on Friday in response to the initial report, claiming Cohen is "trying to make up stories" to get himself out of legal trouble, which Trump suggested could be related to his taxi cab business.

Cohen is reportedly under investigation in New York's Southern District for bank fraud and campaign finance violations. Speculation has escalated in recent weeks that the longtime fixer for Trump may turn on the president.

Last week, CNN aired audio from a secret recording Cohen made of a conversation with the president. The two men seemed to be discussing a possible payment regarding the account of a former Playboy model who claims she had an affair with the president a decade ago. Cohen has multiple other tapes, though their contents are not publicly known.

Cohen said in an interview earlier this month that his "first loyalty" is to the country and his family, not the president.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/399378-trump-promotes-cohen-tweet-on-russia-meeting-nonsense

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #766 on: July 30, 2018, 06:26:47 PM »
The Facts Behind The Trump Tower Meeting Are Incriminating, But Not For Trump
The real colluders with Russia are the Democrats, intelligence agencies, and corporate media. The facts about the Trump Tower meeting only reinforce that.
 Willis L. Krumholz By Willis L. Krumholz
JULY 30, 2018
http://thefederalist.com/2018/07/30/facts-behind-trump-tower-meeting-incriminating-not-trump/

Spin this how ever you wish. Whatever you or your friends at the Federalist think, likely changes nothing. Time may or may not reveal the truth. Let's just wait and see if that happens.

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #767 on: July 30, 2018, 06:30:47 PM »
So was Cohen lying then or is he lying now?  Regardless, still an absolutely stupid conspiracy theory.

Trump promotes Cohen tweet on Russia meeting ‘nonsense’

BY BRETT SAMUELS - 07/29/18

President Trump early Sunday resurfaced an old tweet from Michael Cohen in which his former personal attorney praises Donald Trump Jr. for his transparency regarding a meeting with a Russian lawyer at Trump Tower.

The president asked on Twitter whether the media would "ever report on this tweet from Michael?"

"So proud of @DonaldJTrumpJr for being open, honest and transparent to the American people. This nonsense needs to stop!" Cohen tweeted on July 11, 2017, the same day Trump Jr. shared emails about the meeting to pre-empt a New York Times report.

The president's tweet on Sunday comes as he wages a credibility battle with Cohen, who reportedly claims he had prior knowledge of the meeting between his son and a Kremlin-connected lawyer.

CNN reported that Cohen is willing share his account with special counsel Robert Mueller, who is investigating alleged ties between the Trump campaign and Moscow's efforts to interfere in the 2016 election.

The president lashed out on Friday in response to the initial report, claiming Cohen is "trying to make up stories" to get himself out of legal trouble, which Trump suggested could be related to his taxi cab business.

Cohen is reportedly under investigation in New York's Southern District for bank fraud and campaign finance violations. Speculation has escalated in recent weeks that the longtime fixer for Trump may turn on the president.

Last week, CNN aired audio from a secret recording Cohen made of a conversation with the president. The two men seemed to be discussing a possible payment regarding the account of a former Playboy model who claims she had an affair with the president a decade ago. Cohen has multiple other tapes, though their contents are not publicly known.

Cohen said in an interview earlier this month that his "first loyalty" is to the country and his family, not the president.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/399378-trump-promotes-cohen-tweet-on-russia-meeting-nonsense

Goes to show that like many lawyers, Cohen praises whoever butters his bread. Trump should have not cut off the butter....loyalty works two ways or it doesn't work at all.  ::)

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #768 on: July 30, 2018, 06:34:41 PM »
Spin this how ever you wish. Whatever you or your friends at the Federalist think, likely changes nothing. Time may or may not reveal the truth. Let's just wait and see if that happens.

Nothing needs to be spun.  It's a stupid conspiracy theory. 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #769 on: July 30, 2018, 06:36:14 PM »
Goes to show that like many lawyers, Cohen praises whoever butters his bread. Trump should have not cut off the butter....loyalty works two ways or it doesn't work at all.  ::)

Trump is actually the victim here.  Cohen also reportedly taped Chris Cuomo and many others.  Pretty sleazy.   

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #770 on: July 30, 2018, 07:21:57 PM »
Trump is actually the victim here.  Cohen also reportedly taped Chris Cuomo and many others.  Pretty sleazy.   
I don't see how Cohen could continue a career in law. Who would trust someone like that ever again?
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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #771 on: July 30, 2018, 08:52:44 PM »
I don't see how Cohen could continue a career in law. Who would trust someone like that ever again?

Milania probably wonders that every day

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #772 on: July 30, 2018, 09:15:30 PM »
I don't see how Cohen could continue a career in law. Who would trust someone like that ever again?

Right? 

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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #773 on: July 31, 2018, 04:01:50 PM »
Milania probably wonders that every day
You ever seek therapy for your Trump Anxiety Syndrome?
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Re: The Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theory
« Reply #774 on: July 31, 2018, 04:38:49 PM »
I don't see how Cohen could continue a career in law. Who would trust someone like that ever again?

It's for certain that I would never hire him.