Alcohol + Opiates + Benzodiazepines

[Matt]

Yes this is the way to go for overdose!!!

Very dangerous.

Correct, NotMrAverage.

Combining multiple depressants is always a risk.  Two is risky - let alone three.

It's just a bad idea.

But if you MUST do this - and again, it's a bad idea - then my recommendation is to do ONE of the three depressants at a rate that you can experience the euphoria of that drug, and enjoy it.  From there, add VERY SMALL QUANTITIES of a second depressant.

I can't even condone a third depressant - even two is risky, and can quickly escalate to higher quantities of two or even three of the substances.  But if you MUST add a third depressant, once again - add it in VERY SMALL QUANTITIES.

Once again - only take ONE of the three depressants/drugs in the quantity that you would enjoy it.  Basically make that the substance you intend to mostly enjoy for the night.  Then use VERY SMALL QUANTITIES of any further depressants to simply potentiate that first depressant.

Again, it can't be stressed enough how dangerous this mix can be.

They say that speed balls are dangerous because combining uppers and downers "pulls your heard in two different directions".  But that is NOT true.  The reality of the danger with speed balls is that people will do too much of an upper - such as cocaine - and then once that wears off due to having a shorter half life, the full effects of the depressant - such as heroin or another opiate - will kick in fully, resulting in respiratory depression.

Basically, the stimulant masks the depressant, and since the stimulant is normally cocaine and wears off quickly, the full effects of the depressant come out in full force, and the person dies from respiratory and cardiovascular depression.

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I didn't assume anything.

I am well.

glad to hear it...

[Taffin]

...the danger with speed balls is that people will do too much of an upper - such as cocaine - and then once that wears off due to having a shorter half life, the full effects of the depressant - such as heroin or another opiate - will kick in fully, resulting in respiratory depression.

Basically, the stimulant masks the depressant, and since the stimulant is normally cocaine and wears off quickly, the full effects of the depressant come out in full force, and the person dies from respiratory and cardiovascular depression.

[Matt]

Bingo.  I had just looked up his Wiki page today with the mother of my first two children.  Sad that he and Chris Farley both died at 33, and both of the same cause - a speed ball.  The only difference was that Belushi used heroin as a depressant, whereas Farley used morphine.

I was showing her the part of Belushi's Wiki page where it said that a woman from Ontario, Canada [the province we live in] was convicted due to her role in providing Belushi the drugs!    I had no idea that was even a thing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Belushi#Death

[ChristopherA]

Have you looked into finding a reg Doc and get a monthly script?  Why not suboxone?

I only ask because I’ve never heard of a subutex clinic, only a methadone clinic.  When I went into treatment in 2011 they gave us subutex twice daily but recommended a suboxone Doc when I was discharged. 

20 mg does sound high but I know every Doc is different.  8 mg was what I was on and I was snorting like 300mg of oxy daily.

Yup 8mg is plenty

[Nether Animal]

8mg suboxone is all virtually anybody needs. I think people take more trying to chase some semblance of a high while being "clean" on it.

[ChristopherA]

8mg suboxone is all virtually anybody needs. I think people take more trying to chase some semblance of a high while being "clean" on it.

Exactly. Had doctor prescribe me as high as 21mgs and felt no difference between 8, 16, or 21. Start at 8 and taper quick because the withdrawals are worse than dope if you stay on too long

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8mg suboxone is all virtually anybody needs. I think people take more trying to chase some semblance of a high while being "clean" on it.

I used to take 3gms a day....

[NotMrAverage]

I have done it all 2-20mg. Even as high as 24mg. But the only thing that happens after 8mg is you get a prolonged / depot effect really. But the only reason why i stay on it is not to relapse into hardcore opiates again. Its kinda a bitch to go to that clinic 4 times aweek and leave a ton of tests. But i am glad i got my life back again. I was rushed into emergency 3 times because of od when i did the morphine and oxys. Never been to emergancy since i started subs. I think you need to see it as a lifelong discese really and medicate with the least harmfull alternative you can find.

Subs are extremally hard to od on. You only get depot effect with extra mgs. With methadone its alot more risks but its also way more powerfull. Subs give you about 10% of the effect methadone gives.

[Nether Animal]

I have done it all 2-20mg. Even as high as 24mg. But the only thing that happens after 8mg is you get a prolonged / depot effect really. But the only reason why i stay on it is not to relapse into hardcore opiates again. Its kinda a bitch to go to that clinic 4 times aweek and leave a ton of tests. But i am glad i got my life back again. I was rushed into emergency 3 times because of od when i did the morphine and oxys. Never been to emergancy since i started subs. I think you need to see it as a lifelong discese really and medicate with the least harmfull alternative you can find.

Subs are extremally hard to od on. You only get depot effect with extra mgs. With methadone its alot more risks but its also way more powerfull. Subs give you about 10% of the effect methadone gives.

Sub withdrawal is no joke though. Remember that you will always have that hanging over your head. I was in jail a few months back on a warrant overnight and I could hear a kid a few cells down that was about to run out of his suboxone. The jailer asked if he wanted his last dose of it and the kid said he wanted to wait as long as possible to save it. I could hear him moaning and shit all night. Kept me up.

[NotMrAverage]

Yeah i know. Thats why i stay on. I just get it for free. I cant say i feel anything from it more than being normal. Maybe kratom or something would work good but i doubt it.

[Nether Animal]

You can use neurontin or lyrica to get off opiates. At high doses they eliminate all withdrawal, no joke.

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You can use neurontin or lyrica to get off opiates. At high doses they eliminate all withdrawal, no joke.

so where in jail overnight or not?

[Nether Animal]

so where in jail overnight or not?

Huh?

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Huh?

sorry mate, someone just posted about being in jail overnight with a moaning drug adddict in the next cell, I thought it was this thread..its either in another thread or they deleted it from here.

[ESFitness]

Exactly. Had doctor prescribe me as high as 21mgs and felt no difference between 8, 16, or 21. Start at 8 and taper quick because the withdrawals are worse than dope if you stay on too long

How are you guys getting 20 or 21mgs? Thought subs only came in 2 and 8mg?? Seem like odd dosing and a lot kf tabs to get 20 or 21mg.

Never had any withdrawal from bupe, or any "high", even at 32mg.. Even 8mg iv, IM or sub-q. No withdrawal when going from 8mg to zero overnthe course of 7-10 days, and I was on for over 3months, maybe 6? I forget.

Far as gabapentin or lyrica working for withdrawal, it may work 4 Milder "habits", but I don't remember it doing much for me and I was on 800 gabapentin 3x a day. Only used lyrica a few times and didnt care for it. Felt way different than neurontin. Reminded me of Flexeril, feeling slow and stupid.

If I were to detox without subs, using only shit easily available from a doctor, itd be gabapentin 400mg+ , 20-40mg baclofen, and .2-.3mg clonidine all 3-4x a day... Oh, and 30mg Imodium-AD 3x a day as well, since technically its an opiate that doesn't.cross the BBB.... I suppose ultram/tramadol is still easy to get since Dr's still don't think of it like Vicodin or Percocet, so you could take 8 of those a day (1every 30mins for the first 2hrs of the day, then a couple hr break and repeat, since tramadol is tramadol needs to be metabolized into "O-desmethyltramadol" or whatever its called to really occupy opiate receptors and your body only has so much of the CYD (??) Enzyme, you gotta space the dosages. The ODesmethyl metabolite is 8-10x stringer affinity than tramadol at the receptor.)... 8tabs being 400mg, any more than that isn't recommended because of seizure risk... Wouldn't run the tramadol more than a couple weeks though. Ideally a week. Tramadol withdrawal was worse than heroin withdrawal for me... Actually tramadol withdrawal is what led me to heroin in the first place.

And far as speedballs, heroin half-life is short as well, so its not gonna outlast shooting coke I.v usually. When people OD and die, its usually involving benzos.

[ESFitness]

Yeah i know. Thats why i stay on. I just get it for free. I cant say i feel anything from it more than being normal. Maybe kratom or something would work good but i doubt it.

The people who say Kratom use works for opiate withdrawal most only have been taking two or three Percocet a day, cuz even at 30 grams in one sitting Kratom didn't do s*** for me no matter what strain it was

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The people who say Kratom use works for opiate withdrawal most only have been taking two or three Percocet a day, cuz even at 30 grams in one sitting Kratom didn't do s*** for me no matter what strain it was

There is an opioid antagonist in Kratom which means it works better if you take less....most people who take large dosages get better results by not being idiots and using less.

[ESFitness]

There is an opioid antagonist in Kratom which means it works better if you take less....most people who take large dosages get better results by not being idiots and using less.

There is no opiate antagonist in kratom.

Fuck, you don't even know what an opiate antagonist is. You're just retyping a hit you googled mins prior to posting. Fucking pathetic.

[WalterWhite]

Sub withdrawal is no joke though. Remember that you will always have that hanging over your head. I was in jail a few months back on a warrant overnight and I could hear a kid a few cells down that was about to run out of his suboxone. The jailer asked if he wanted his last dose of it and the kid said he wanted to wait as long as possible to save it. I could hear him moaning and shit all night. Kept me up.

What was your warrant for that they would lock you up?

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There is no opiate antagonist in kratom.

Fuck, you don't even know what an opiate antagonist is. You're just retyping a hit you googled mins prior to posting. Fucking pathetic.

I suppose you have evidence to back that up?

[NotMrAverage]

I get my subs free from my doctor. I am in what they call a subutex rehab program.

I go there 4 times aweek and get my meds and have to take them in front of the staff so it wont leak out. I started going ed for 3 months but since i have not had any slips i only need to go 4 times aweek now.

About two times aweek they do urine tests. Everyday you need to do the alcometer.

I recently got my dose raised from 16-20mg. I must say i feel alittle better. I do not have any cravings at all for opiates.

Now i would like to get something else like aderall or something like that. Other people in my clinic gets that and i was quite amazed when i tried how much better i could manage my day.

Do anyone of you guys use adhd meds?

[Nether Animal]

What was your warrant for that they would lock you up?

Well it was just overnight because you can't see a judge at 7pm, but driving on suspended license.

[Ted SuperSet]

I get my subs free from my doctor. I am in what they call a subutex rehab program.

I go there 4 times aweek and get my meds and have to take them in front of the staff so it wont leak out. I started going ed for 3 months but since i have not had any slips i only need to go 4 times aweek now.

About two times aweek they do urine tests. Everyday you need to do the alcometer.

I recently got my dose raised from 16-20mg. I must say i feel alittle better. I do not have any cravings at all for opiates.

Now i would like to get something else like aderall or something like that. Other people in my clinic gets that and i was quite amazed when i tried how much better i could manage my day.

Do anyone of you guys use adhd meds?

Yes for 10 years now. Are you adhd diagnosed?

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Yes for 10 years now. Are you adhd diagnosed?

he will get back to you later hes just watching a wasp fly around his conservatory....