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« Reply #150 on: October 20, 2017, 04:49:58 PM »

To "know god"?  Not sure I follow, about the atheists you mention who study toward doing that.

Well, to know that god indeed exists.
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« Reply #151 on: October 20, 2017, 06:54:06 PM »

I find that ironic, cause, some of the greatest desires to study and know god are from atheists.

Share any of those studies. 
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« Reply #152 on: October 20, 2017, 06:57:56 PM »

Well, to know that god indeed exists.

You mean, somehow, they attempt to demonstrate, or to prove, or to "show" in some way, to the rest of us that God does not exist?

Is that what you're saying?
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« Reply #153 on: October 20, 2017, 09:13:16 PM »

God?  LMFAO!
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« Reply #154 on: October 21, 2017, 09:10:10 AM »

God?  LMFAO!

hit and run coward....you need Jesus....he's the only way
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« Reply #155 on: October 22, 2017, 03:15:38 AM »

Share any of those studies. 

You're missing my point.

You're saying all atheists or agnostics have never read the Bible or took it seriously and open minded at one point? I think you believe that they all just don't care to.

Or

Do you really think that they all secretly believe and deny it due to some sort of hate or jealousy towards god? Lol. Please tell me you aren't that naive.
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« Reply #156 on: October 22, 2017, 03:18:10 AM »

You mean, somehow, they attempt to demonstrate, or to prove, or to "show" in some way, to the rest of us that God does not exist?

Is that what you're saying?

You're sounding like a lawyer.

I would say some try to, definitely. But, the correct position is to demonstrate that it's unjustified.
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« Reply #157 on: October 22, 2017, 06:11:52 AM »

You're missing my point.

You're saying all atheists or agnostics have never read the Bible or took it seriously and open minded at one point? I think you believe that they all just don't care to.

Or

Do you really think that they all secretly believe and deny it due to some sort of hate or jealousy towards god? Lol. Please tell me you aren't that naive.

And you're again avoiding mine and adopting a straw man that you can defend a bit easier.

Another straw man.  People suppress God in their unrighteousness because they love their sin, hate accountability and are haters of God that spend their energy suppressing the truth of God's judgment for a another round of pornography, partying, adultery, fornication, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, violence, stealing, materialism, idolatry.....and on and on.
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« Reply #158 on: October 22, 2017, 12:08:03 PM »

You're sounding like a lawyer.

I would say some try to, definitely. But, the correct position is to demonstrate that it's unjustified.

But isn't it true that the most they could hope for, is to make a convincing attack on organized religion?  That's just another (often deserved) attack on man, though.
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« Reply #159 on: October 22, 2017, 03:08:11 PM »

And you're again avoiding mine and adopting a straw man that you can defend a bit easier.

Another straw man.  People suppress God in their unrighteousness because they love their sin, hate accountability and are haters of God that spend their energy suppressing the truth of God's judgment for a another round of pornography, partying, adultery, fornication, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, violence, stealing, materialism, idolatry.....and on and on.

What am I avoiding? Please rephrase.
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« Reply #160 on: October 22, 2017, 03:09:04 PM »

But isn't it true that the most they could hope for, is to make a convincing attack on organized religion?  That's just another (often deserved) attack on man, though.

That's another ball of wax .
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« Reply #161 on: October 22, 2017, 06:25:59 PM »

What am I avoiding? Please rephrase.

I just asked for two examples of the many studies you noted.
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« Reply #162 on: October 24, 2017, 07:48:52 AM »

I just asked for two examples of the many studies you noted.

How about the known works of Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, etc.

Does this mean they secretly agree with you but are out to put it down?
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« Reply #163 on: October 24, 2017, 10:40:47 AM »

How about the known works of Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, etc.

Does this mean they secretly agree with you but are out to put it down?

They have published books where they give their opinions about religion (mostly philosophical in nature....Dawkins introduces a bit of genetics), but I'm not aware of religious studies they've conducted in which they attempt to study and know God.  They begin with their presuppositions and expand their subjectivity from there.  They aren't looking for truth they're looking to stand at odds.   A study would be more controlled, as free from bias as possible and would exhaust source material (ex: biblical scripture that provides definite guidance on coming to know God).

Now I may have misunderstood what you meant by study and you were being more general in what you were suggesting as a study (which is fine).  That said, technically 3 of the 4 horsemen have done a study of religion to some extent.   So in that regard I may have misunderstood your intent.

So I'll just leave the studies piece out there for now.
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« Reply #164 on: October 24, 2017, 10:59:21 AM »

Come on dude, they all read the Bible and took it seriously. 
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« Reply #165 on: October 24, 2017, 01:50:49 PM »

FREAKgeek - are you saying that, by reading a Bible and "taking it seriously" but nonetheless finishing it without being moved toward it, should show something?  If so, I believe you raise some interesting questions with that.
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« Reply #166 on: October 24, 2017, 02:10:22 PM »

FREAKgeek - are you saying that, by reading a Bible and "taking it seriously" but nonetheless finishing it without being moved toward it, should show something?  If so, I believe you raise some interesting questions with that.

You can easily be "being moved toward it" and it's nothing more than emotional, wishful thinking.
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« Reply #167 on: October 24, 2017, 02:35:51 PM »

You can easily be "being moved toward it" and it's nothing more than emotional, wishful thinking.

What might a person be wishing for, would you say?
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« Reply #168 on: October 24, 2017, 02:40:44 PM »

What might a person be wishing for, would you say?

How about an easy solution to life's problems
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« Reply #169 on: October 24, 2017, 02:58:16 PM »

How about an easy solution to life's problems

In what way might it be seen as a solution?

Btw, just to be 100% clear, not trolling anyone in this thread, not baiting anyone -- nothing like that, at all.  This stuff isn't discussed nearly enough in this world and I can't think of a topic which deserves more respect.
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« Reply #170 on: October 24, 2017, 03:16:11 PM »

In what way might it be seen as a solution?


People pray for all sorts of things - health, financial well being, safety, etc. Who wouldn't want a friendly god on your side concerned about your affairs?
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« Reply #171 on: October 24, 2017, 11:53:14 PM »

People pray for all sorts of things - health, financial well being, safety, etc. Who wouldn't want a friendly god on your side concerned about your affairs?

You mean to say for selfish reasons?  Like maybe a "long shot" sort of thing.
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« Reply #172 on: October 25, 2017, 03:58:25 AM »

You mean to say for selfish reasons?  Like maybe a "long shot" sort of thing.

Well if you pray for your own well being, by definition it's selfish. But this isn't necessarily a negative connotation. I'm generalizing.
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« Reply #173 on: October 25, 2017, 02:13:40 PM »

Well if you pray for your own well being, by definition it's selfish. But this isn't necessarily a negative connotation. I'm generalizing.

Yes, I understand what you mean.  And now that you mention it, I'd bet it's probably the most discouraging factor to be found.

But if self-centeredness, as a whole, is a main symptom of our diseased world, then maybe it looks like the person's praying to make it worse without even realizing it.
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« Reply #174 on: October 26, 2017, 02:54:38 AM »

Come on dude, they all read the Bible and took it seriously. 

And I believe they have....not in question for me.  Although reading scripture and actually doing what it says to do is the difference.  In the simplest terms they read the bible in an effort to find reasons not to follow it.  The great irony written in scripture being that those nonbelievers (with hardened hearts) can't discern scripture yet know the truth of God's reality revealed to them in God's creation.  Yet they suppress that divinely provided truth in their unrighteousness.
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