Do any of you use Creatine these days? (seriously)

[ratherbebig]

not creatine alone

but stack that shit with horny goatweed and a megadoses of HBM

[Dave D]

not creatine alone

but stack that shit with horny goatweed and a megadoses of HBM

This might be the most insane stack I've heard of, it must be a joke?

It's your funeral buddy.

[13B-T]

It's the only supplement that worked for me. It made me stronger and muscles had a subjective tighter feel. No doubt I gain strength using it. 

I stopped using it because of two reasons. The first was water retention. The second is my kidneys according to a medical blood and urine test started to come out of range. I believe creatine is excreted in the form of creatinine.  That might have thrown off the tests. All I know is my doc told me to stop using it and all my tests came back normal. The doctor thinks the kidneys were filtering that crap out of my system but the actually processed creatine could have been throwing off the test too.  Anyone get a bad kidney test due to muscle damage from training reference rhabdomyolysis?  Sometimes I wonder if the tests came back bad just from hard training.

Yes... all my blood work come back AST/ALT elevated nothing else. Unless I take 10 days off gym then they are in range.

[Van_Bilderass]

Fact of the matter is that most competitors, amateur and pro use it. They use a lot of other otc supplement bullshit too, but at least creatine is supported both by science and real world experience. This massive water retention many claim is mostly imaginary, it will make you gain about 1-2lbs if nothing else is changed and it's not subcutaneous.
Please show me a pic of someone suffering from creatine edema lol. It's fat fucks blaming their fatness on creatine.
It's an endogenous substance, if it wasn't made by the body it would be a vitamin.

[ProudVirgin69]

Yes... all my blood work come back AST/ALT elevated nothing else. Unless I take 10 days off gym then they are in range.

Those are liver function tests

BUN/creatinine are the blood serum tests associated with kidney function

[sceagacros]

"GH15" obviously never attended a  pro bodybuilding OR elite powerlifting seminar....it's too bad that guys like Stan Efferding that are known for frank , open discussion of  REAL pro drug use in their seminars don't post here.

The  hastily googled advices  this latest "GH15" puts out are simply not an accurate representation of what's happening chemically at the higher levels of bodybuilding or powerlifting.  

[Van_Bilderass]

"GH15" obviously never attended a  pro bodybuilding OR elite powerlifting seminar....it's too bad that guys like Stan Efferding that are known for frank , open discussion of  REAL pro drug use in their seminars don't post here.

The  hastily googled advices  this "GH15" puts out are simply not reflective of what's happening chemically at the higher levels of bodybuilding or powerlifting. 

Efferding thinks creatine is shit. OTOH he thinks GH doesn't do much either.  But he is on it nevertheless 

He likes cooking in real lard, red meat, full fat milk etc, country boy diet. Nothing wrong with that necessarily.

All Chinese UG for him 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BcSiTChlqe_/

[sceagacros]

Efferding's work with Hafthor ( Bjornsson ) was incredible,  he took him to a 970 lb  squat (raw of course) at a 440 pound bodyweight WITH A SIX PACK.

Stan's all about easily digested food so you can hit higher feeding frequency/ more calories.

My point wasn't really creatine specific, more a general slam of GH's bullshit.




Interesting tee-shirt in that instagram pic though LOL! I didn't know about that!

[gh15]

"GH15" obviously never attended a  pro bodybuilding OR elite powerlifting seminar....it's too bad that guys like Stan Efferding that are known for frank , open discussion of  REAL pro drug use in their seminars don't post here.

The  hastily googled advices  this latest "GH15" puts out are simply not an accurate representation of what's happening chemically at the higher levels of bodybuilding or powerlifting.  

stop trying to sell balonie on here.. you already tried to remove me from getbig and bodybuild back in 2011.. and got in return a monster who made millions on what you did.. correct?

so enough with the bs crap,, this latest gh15 is the same ole gh15.. loj the one from xmas 2005.. notice how I write xmass it shall refresh your louzy fucked up memory,,

now to answr van b.. no we do not use creatin we see it as junk.. it ruin the kidneys and we just dont use it.. if anyone of the new up an dcomers use it then they are wasting their time.. but from what I know hands on we do not touch this junk,, it simply kidney destroyer.. and eventhough its not provable.. I'm telling you its not good for kidnys,,

now yes there is a selling point I get it.. but I cant lie to my pupils I'm sorry,, I do get money to shut up though so i keep ti short now days,,

io becme millioners on the retards of the likes of scargekengeroo and the likes.. i practicallyu became a millioner from those lieing filts scams of earth,,

gh15 approved
lion of Judah

[gh15]

and I'm gh15 not GH15.. GH15 is the site.. i am gh15..

now with regard to stan.. he is rich yes but he got money yes.. but there is no conection between him and 1st tier ifbb professional bodybuild,, never was and never will be,,

gh15 approved
lion of Judah

[Van_Bilderass]

It's just fucking creatine, it's not food, though it can be foud in food, it's not drugs, though it can enhance drugs a little. Many pros use it, fact. Some only use sometimes because it's not at the top of the enormous list of stuff to take. It replaces nothing, it's just a tiny extra boost - so considering it costs nothing so why not throw down a teaspoon a day? Please, what is the downside to topping up your creatine stores, what? Water and "puff"? Please.

[ratherbebig]

water is a benefit unless youre dieting

[deadz]

Stuff is terrible for your kidneys.

[ratherbebig]

Stuff is terrible for your kidneys.

how do you know this

[Griffith]

Stuff is terrible for your kidneys.

Not if you drink enough water.

[Darren Avey]

no,,

as I said in 2005.. many years ago even in human terms.. no one of us in the ifbb touched this shit,, we dont use this crap it just take space from wht truly work which is and always will be hormones since its part of the human endrogenic system..

all an athletes needs = hormones

all the rest is a money maker for supplement companys

the reason I dont fight over it now dyas like i used to in past is because they pay me money.. NOT TO!

but its useless it truly is useless for a human that eats right.. and is on hormones.. even if i couldn't be on hormones i would prefer to be true natural than use creatine..

sorry my friends.. you want truth? i give it,,

gh15 approved
lion of Judah

What about supps like gluocosamine and cod liver oil, multi vits?

[ProudVirgin69]

how do you know this

Supplementing creatine will elevate serum creatinine levels ... elevated creatinine levels normally indicate that kidney function is compromised, which is where the "creatine is bad for kidneys" myth originated

Cessation of supplementation will cause creatinine levels to return to baseline

[Griffith]

Supplementing creatine will elevate serum creatinine levels ... elevated creatinine levels normally indicate that kidney function is compromised, which is where the "creatine is bad for kidneys" myth originated

Cessation of supplementation will cause creatinine levels to return to baseline

And excercise also raises creatinine levels.

[Go 4 It]

I take 2.5 grams post workout, if I do the recommended 5 grams, I get a epic moon face, but I do see fullness and strength gains when using it, not tremendous but theres definitely a difference. It's the one supplement that has been proven through numerous studies to absolutely work.

[oldtimer1]

And excercise also raises creatinine levels.

Might be true but the kidneys also filters out the supplement. That in it's self could be a problem to the kidneys.

[13B-T]

Those are liver function tests

BUN/creatinine are the blood serum tests associated with kidney function

Under stood but AST, ALT And CKP can all be extremely elevated on blood work with strenuous activities. Especially if low carb diet and fasted.

[gh15]

Stuff is terrible for your kidneys.

very good posting,,

gh15 approved

[ChevChelios]

You have to be retard to take creating while using high protein diet which again stresses the kidney. You gain water you piss it after use, only thing left is some kidney misery.  You have to be even more retard to use retard while taking hormones , more stress for kidney's for no reason. I tried it, minuscule strength gains  but had a worser moon face than a lot of guys abusing test lol

[QuietYou]

did anyone ever say, "i was doing everything right, but it wasn't until i started taking creatine that i found success"?

lmao great post how ridiculous that would be

[Go 4 It]

The crazy thing is that most pre workout supps contain creatine, and a lot of the protein powders sold at Walmart also contain creatine, some of these kids drink a few shakes a day, and pre workout once or twice a day, they are possibly getting 15-20 grams a day, that's some serious stuff.