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« Reply #50 on: January 01, 2018, 04:35:48 PM »

There are at least 100 reasons but for the sake of training, it does absolutely nothing and it does "kill gains".

An x training bud of mine sold weed not sure if he still does

Anyway he smoked before every training session we had with Doc Bkakely said it helped him to go centrate better

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« Reply #51 on: January 01, 2018, 04:45:53 PM »

There are at least 100 reasons but for the sake of training, it does absolutely nothing and it does "kill gains".

there is no proof that it "kills gains" assuming one is not smoking all day every day (which would make it less likely you ever step foot inside a gym - hence no gains)

I know plenty of people who made gains while occasionally (and some not so occasionally) smoking pot

what are your other 99 phony baloney reasons?

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« Reply #52 on: January 01, 2018, 04:49:50 PM »

there is no proof that it "kills gains" assuming one is not smoking all day every day (which would make it less likely you ever step foot inside a gym - hence no gains)

I know plenty of people who made gains while occasionally (and some not so occasionally) smoking pot

what are your other 99 phony baloney reasons?



Thats your proof? Because you know "plenty of people"?

Several years ago I co-wrote with a cop friend of mind that a Sargent with the LASD. Since you like to argue with nothing to back up anything you spew be it poltical, training or otherwise, this won't be of much help to you. But this doesn't get through to the people that are actually serious about training, health or fitness and they keep smoking it or consuming it and still want to make excuses for the use....they/you are addicted.


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« Reply #53 on: January 01, 2018, 04:52:12 PM »

Thats your proof? Because you know "plenty of people"?

yep, that's my proof

my own personal experience and observing others

where is your proof it "kills gains"?

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« Reply #54 on: January 01, 2018, 04:54:23 PM »

yep, that's my proof

my own personal experience and observing others

where is your proof it "kills gains"?


I'm told personal experience is a bad example of proof because you probably remembered your experiences wrong.
Would never hold up to scientific scrutiny.
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« Reply #55 on: January 01, 2018, 04:57:57 PM »

1. It’s against the law (without proper prescription or recommendation).2. There are 400-460 chemicals in a marijuana cigarette.3. There are 55 known cancer causing chemicals in marijuana.4. There is 3-5 times more tar in one marijuana cigarette as compared with tobacco.5. There is 3-5 times more carbon monoxide absorbed as compared with tobacco.6. Marijuana smoke is 18 times hotter than cigarette smoke.7. Marijuana potency has increased as much as 40 times since the 60’s.8. 90% of the tar inhaled remains in the lungs forever.9. Six months of marijuana smoking produces the same damage as 20-25 years of cigarette smoking.10. Marijuana causes 40-50% decrease in reaction time.11. Marijuana causes heart rate increase of 15-20%, and raises or lowers blood pressure, as well as lowering body temperature.12. With chronic/heavy use 3-12 times as many cancer growths develop as compared to other causes of cancer, and they grow 4 times more quickly.13. Marijuana use can lead to addiction. 14. Marijuana causes substantial decrease in immunological response system and weakens macrophages (a.k.a. killer cells) and T-cells. .15. Marijuana suppresses white blood cell, blood lymphocyte production..16. Marijuana inhibits dopamine production (brain hormone/neurotransmitter involved with emotion, mood, attention, learning, sleep and many other complex brain and central nervous system functions).17. Marijuana increases susceptibility to disease and prolongs illness.18. Marijuana use depresses cell division and synthesis of DNA.19. Marijuana use alters the structure of brain cell membrane.20. Marijuana use alters cell structure in lung air passages and bronchial passages.  21. Marijuana may be laced with harder drugs before sale without the users’ knowledge. 22. Marijuana use in males can cause a 50% decrease in testosterone levels, with as little as one weeks use.23. Marijuana use (chronic/heavy) in prepubescent males may cause: permanent sterility, failure to develop masculine traits, reproductive immaturity or chromosome damage.24. Marijuana use (chronic/heavy) in prepubescent females may cause: inactive ovaries and post puberty may cause low birth weight babies or still births25. Marijuana use in females can result in 3-4 times as many defective monthly cycles (no ovulation or shortened fertility)26. Long term use can cause “A-motivational syndrome”, which is the loss of motivation, short attention span, decreased energy and ambition, impaired communication skills, poor judgment and diminished effectiveness in social situations due to permanent damage to the limbic area of the brain
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« Reply #56 on: January 01, 2018, 04:59:08 PM »

27. Chemicals (THC) from marijuana are fat-soluble and tend to be retained in the body, particularly in the brain and reproductive organs.28. Marijuana impairs judgment which contributes to accidents, bad decision making and harmful behavior (STD’s, HIV, car accidents, pregnancy, arrests, etc.).29. Marijuana use leads to abnormal functioning of lung tissue (injured or destroyed).30. Marijuana use can cause distorted perception (sight, sounds, time, touch)31. Marijuana use can cause loss of motor skills (timing, balance, movements, and coordination).32. Marijuana users are at greater risk for chest colds, lung infections, pneumonia, daily cough, phlegm, bacterial infections, fungi and bronchitis.33. Marijuana users are at risk to become addicted to “harder” drugs.34. Marijuana use puts adolescents at risk of damaging key brain pathways.35. Chronic/heavy marijuana use can cause withdrawal symptoms       36. Marijuana use shuts down or restricts blood flow patterns to the frontal lobe, and interferes with the normal function of the hippocampus and cortex.37. Marijuana use can lead to lower college entrance exam scores.38.  Marijuana users (teenaged) are 4 times as likely to become pregnant or get someone pregnant39. Marijuana linked to lower grades. “D” average students are 4 times as likely to have used marijuana as “A” student.40. Marijuana use can lead to loss of scholarship or scholarship money.41. Teenage marijuana user’s drop out rate is twice that of non-user, 5 times as likely if alcohol and other drugs are used.42. Marijuana users are more vulnerable to neuropsychological deficits, especially verbal.43. Marijuana use may cause or trigger paranoia, hallucinations, flash backs, depersonalization, depression, aggressiveness, toxic psychosis, bipolar, schizophrenia, social withdrawal, irritability, paranoia, anxiety, nervousness, anger, insomnia, violent outbursts, suicidal thought, severe changes in appetite and delusions.44. Marijuana changes and impedes mental health similar to ways that cocaine, heroinand alcohol do. Regular use may double risk of developing psychotic symptoms.45. Marijuana users 4 times (5 times in females) as likely to suffer from depression later in life. Childhood use increases depression risk 17%46. Marijuana can cause problems with memory, learning, concentration, language, and information retention, processing, registering, organizing, and shifting attention (can last for several weeks or be permanent6yvb)47. Marijuana can cause loss of abstract memory (chronic/heavy use), as well as problems with emotion, creativity and problem solving. 48. Marijuana users are 3 times as likely to have suicidal thoughts.49. Marijuana users are more likely to have panic attacks and anxiety.50. Marijuana users (even infrequent) have a 40% increased chance of developing a psychotic disorder later in life. Heavy users (daily) increase risk from 50%-200%.51. Marijuana users have a more than 6 times greater risk of developing schizophrenia. Even greater risk if there is a family history of the disorder
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27. Chemicals (THC) from marijuana are fat-soluble and tend to be retained in the body, particularly in the brain and reproductive organs.28. Marijuana impairs judgment which contributes to accidents, bad decision making and harmful behavior (STD’s, HIV, car accidents, pregnancy, arrests, etc.).29. Marijuana use leads to abnormal functioning of lung tissue (injured or destroyed).30. Marijuana use can cause distorted perception (sight, sounds, time, touch)31. Marijuana use can cause loss of motor skills (timing, balance, movements, and coordination).32. Marijuana users are at greater risk for chest colds, lung infections, pneumonia, daily cough, phlegm, bacterial infections, fungi and bronchitis.33. Marijuana users are at risk to become addicted to “harder” drugs.34. Marijuana use puts adolescents at risk of damaging key brain pathways.35. Chronic/heavy marijuana use can cause withdrawal symptoms       36. Marijuana use shuts down or restricts blood flow patterns to the frontal lobe, and interferes with the normal function of the hippocampus and cortex.37. Marijuana use can lead to lower college entrance exam scores.38.  Marijuana users (teenaged) are 4 times as likely to become pregnant or get someone pregnant39. Marijuana linked to lower grades. “D” average students are 4 times as likely to have used marijuana as “A” student.40. Marijuana use can lead to loss of scholarship or scholarship money.41. Teenage marijuana user’s drop out rate is twice that of non-user, 5 times as likely if alcohol and other drugs are used.42. Marijuana users are more vulnerable to neuropsychological deficits, especially verbal.43. Marijuana use may cause or trigger paranoia, hallucinations, flash backs, depersonalization, depression, aggressiveness, toxic psychosis, bipolar, schizophrenia, social withdrawal, irritability, paranoia, anxiety, nervousness, anger, insomnia, violent outbursts, suicidal thought, severe changes in appetite and delusions.44. Marijuana changes and impedes mental health similar to ways that cocaine, heroinand alcohol do. Regular use may double risk of developing psychotic symptoms.45. Marijuana users 4 times (5 times in females) as likely to suffer from depression later in life. Childhood use increases depression risk 17%46. Marijuana can cause problems with memory, learning, concentration, language, and information retention, processing, registering, organizing, and shifting attention (can last for several weeks or be permanent6yvb)47. Marijuana can cause loss of abstract memory (chronic/heavy use), as well as problems with emotion, creativity and problem solving. 48. Marijuana users are 3 times as likely to have suicidal thoughts.49. Marijuana users are more likely to have panic attacks and anxiety.50. Marijuana users (even infrequent) have a 40% increased chance of developing a psychotic disorder later in life. Heavy users (daily) increase risk from 50%-200%.51. Marijuana users have a more than 6 times greater risk of developing schizophrenia. Even greater risk if there is a family history of the disorder

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52. In 2013, approximately 455,668 people were admitted to emergency rooms for marijuana related problems.53. Addiction to marijuana can lead to costly drug rehabilitation (marijuana main problem).54. Purchasing marijuana financially contributes to various levels of criminal enterprise and enables numerous crimes and violence to occur.55. If you are arrested or cited for a marijuana related offence you may incur: fines, court costs, legal fees, jail sentence, community service time, suspended license, delayed license issuance, and criminal arrest record. You may also incur job loss, school suspension/expulsion, increased vehicle insurance rate and denial of college admittance.56. Marijuana users are 3 times more likely to develop cancer of the head and neck.57. Marijuana users risk for heart attack is nearly 5 times greater in the first hour aftersmoking pot.58. Marijuana smokers experience 55% more industrial accidents, 85% more injuries,75% increase in absenteeism,  greater workers compensation claims and higher job turnover59. Marijuana users (early start age) have substantially lower incomes.60. Long term marijuana users show 70% impairment in decision making abilities.61. Driving after even a small amount of marijuana use doubles risk for fatal highwayaccident, larger dose triples risk.62. Heavy marijuana users at higher risk for gum disease before age of 32, (marijuanais responsible for, 1/3 of new cases).63. In males marijuana use causes significantly less seminal fluid, lower sperm count changes in sperm enzyme cap, reduced ability to attach to egg, abnormal sperm behavior and decreased fertility.64. Evidence suggests marijuana may be a risk factor in stroke.65. Evidence suggests marijuana may increase chances of lung, oral cavity, pharynx, and larynx cancer,66. Marijuana smoke contains 50-70% more carcinogenic hydrocarbons (cancer causing agents) than cigarette smoke.67. Woman who abuse marijuana during pregnancy or breast feeding expose their children to neurological problems, poor memory and attention, deficits in problemsolving and attentiveness, altered response to visual stimuli, impaired motor development, birth defects and retardation of fetal growth and development and lower birth weight babies. 68. Marijuana smokers increase risk of lung cancer by 5.7 times over non-smokers.69. Marijuana smokers hold harmful smoke in their lungs longer and deeper, which increases their exposure to the dangerous toxins in the drug.70. Marijuana can contain deadly molds (aspergillus) and the salmonella bacteria.71. Marijuana may suppress sex drive and contribute to sexual dysfunction.72. One in four people have the genetic profile that makes marijuana five times more likely to trigger psychotic disorders.73. 12-17 year olds who smoke marijuana are 85 times more likely to use cocaine.74.  Regular marijuana use may double the risk of developing psychotic symptoms.
75. More kids enter treatment for marijuana dependency then all other illegal drugs combined. 76. Adolescent marijuana use can permanently stunt intelligence by up to 8, I.Q. points. 77. Marijuana use can cause Alzheimer like symptoms.78. Marijuana use can cause impaired disease resistance.79.  Heavy marijuana users admitted marijuana use negatively impacted all aspects oftheir lives, including job performance, health, mental wellbeing and satisfactory socializing. 80. Marijuana users report greater health problems later in life.81. Even light marijuana use shows significant abnormalities in two vital brain regions (nucleus accumbens & amygdala) important in motivation and emotion. These areas control pleasure, reward and reinforcement learning.82. In the brains of marijuana users, natural rewards such as food, sex and social interaction are less satisfying. This renders the drug more important than normal life pleasures.83. 9% of marihuana users become addicted.84. THC levels of commercially available marijuana (edibleproducts) are unreliable (far weaker or up to 50% higher) and in some instances have been found to be “blatant misstatements.”85.  Marijuana use may contribute to heart and artery disease among young and middle-aged adults, particularly those already at risk. 86. Research has linked marijuana use during pregnancy to brain and behavior problems in the babies. 87. Regular marijuana users experienced more antisocial behavior at work such as: stealing and lying.88. Regular marijuana users experience more relationship problems such as: intimate partner violence and controlling abuse.89. Regular marijuana users experienced ending up in lower-paying, less skilled and less prestigious jobs than non-users.90. Regular marijuana users ended up in lower social class than their parents.91. Marijuana use in late teen years (18-19) are 40% more likely to die by the age of 60.92. Marijuana use in early life is linked to poorer psychological health.93. Recreational marijuana use leads to alarming increase of fatal vehicle crashes.      The facts in this list have been collected from numerous sources. They include but are not limited to: www.theantidrug.com ,  National Institute of Drug Abuse   (www.nida.nih.gov ),   www.abovetheinfluence.co m , www.howstuffworks.com , Office of National Drug Control Policy,  Drug Awareness Warning Network (DAWN), AAA, Narcotic Educational Foundation of America (www.cnoa.org), National Center on addiction and Substance Abuse, www.msnbc.msn.com, Denver Post and others. Contributing groups for this information include but are not limited to Yale University, Harvard University, Cardiff University, Cambridge University, Duke University, Albert Einstein College of Medicine, University of
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« Reply #59 on: January 01, 2018, 05:04:44 PM »

Here, it could even fuck up how you walk...

http://www.medicaldaily.com/effects-marijuana-body-smoking-pot-linked-abnormal-gait-421613
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« Reply #60 on: January 01, 2018, 05:05:02 PM »

1. It’s against the law (without proper prescription or recommendation).2. There are 400-460 chemicals in a marijuana cigarette.3. There are 55 known cancer causing chemicals in marijuana.4. There is 3-5 times more tar in one marijuana cigarette as compared with tobacco.5. There is 3-5 times more carbon monoxide absorbed as compared with tobacco.6. Marijuana smoke is 18 times hotter than cigarette smoke.7. Marijuana potency has increased as much as 40 times since the 60’s.8. 90% of the tar inhaled remains in the lungs forever.9. Six months of marijuana smoking produces the same damage as 20-25 years of cigarette smoking.10. Marijuana causes 40-50% decrease in reaction time.11. Marijuana causes heart rate increase of 15-20%, and raises or lowers blood pressure, as well as lowering body temperature.12. With chronic/heavy use 3-12 times as many cancer growths develop as compared to other causes of cancer, and they grow 4 times more quickly.13. Marijuana use can lead to addiction. 14. Marijuana causes substantial decrease in immunological response system and weakens macrophages (a.k.a. killer cells) and T-cells. .15. Marijuana suppresses white blood cell, blood lymphocyte production..16. Marijuana inhibits dopamine production (brain hormone/neurotransmitter involved with emotion, mood, attention, learning, sleep and many other complex brain and central nervous system functions).17. Marijuana increases susceptibility to disease and prolongs illness.18. Marijuana use depresses cell division and synthesis of DNA.19. Marijuana use alters the structure of brain cell membrane.20. Marijuana use alters cell structure in lung air passages and bronchial passages.  21. Marijuana may be laced with harder drugs before sale without the users’ knowledge. 22. Marijuana use in males can cause a 50% decrease in testosterone levels, with as little as one weeks use.23. Marijuana use (chronic/heavy) in prepubescent males may cause: permanent sterility, failure to develop masculine traits, reproductive immaturity or chromosome damage.24. Marijuana use (chronic/heavy) in prepubescent females may cause: inactive ovaries and post puberty may cause low birth weight babies or still births25. Marijuana use in females can result in 3-4 times as many defective monthly cycles (no ovulation or shortened fertility)26. Long term use can cause “A-motivational syndrome”, which is the loss of motivation, short attention span, decreased energy and ambition, impaired communication skills, poor judgment and diminished effectiveness in social situations due to permanent damage to the limbic area of the brain

total bullshit

if you're going to copy and paste something then also copy and paste the source

here's a link with more info and links within to the sources
https://www.anabolicmen.com/cannabis-testosterone/

btw - any drug when used chronically (daily or multiple times a day) can POTENTIALLY lead to many problems
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« Reply #61 on: January 01, 2018, 05:06:16 PM »

total bullshit

if you're going to copy and paste something then also copy and paste the source

here's a link with more info and links within to the sources

btw - any drug when used chronically (daily or multiple times a day) can POTENTIALLY lead to many problems

Actually, this was the exact article my cop friend and I wrote.
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« Reply #62 on: January 01, 2018, 05:08:00 PM »

total bullshit

if you're going to copy and paste something then also copy and paste the source

here's a link with more info and links within to the sources
https://www.anabolicmen.com/cannabis-testosterone/

btw - any drug when used chronically (daily or multiple times a day) can POTENTIALLY lead to many problems

Keep arguing. I just gave you almost 100 reasons.
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« Reply #63 on: January 01, 2018, 05:09:04 PM »

Keep arguing. I just gave you almost 100 reasons.

100 statements that are mostly bullshit

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« Reply #64 on: January 01, 2018, 05:11:18 PM »

100 statements that are mostly bullshit



You sound like the addicted denier. I'm sure there are quite a few NA meetings going on tonight. Be sure to hit one up.
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« Reply #65 on: January 01, 2018, 05:14:08 PM »

There are at least 100 reasons but for the sake of training, it does absolutely nothing and it does "kill gains".


Kills gains. Roll Eyes

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« Reply #66 on: January 01, 2018, 05:14:49 PM »

You sound like the addicted denier. I'm sure there are quite a few NA meetings going on tonight. Be sure to hit one up.

LOL - I haven't had it in years

Haven't even drank beer in quite a while

Just know from personal experience that occasional recreational use is not a problem and won't "kill your gains"

then again, who knows with a snowflake such as yourself

You're already fat and dumb as a box of rocks so probably best for you to totally abstain
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« Reply #67 on: January 01, 2018, 05:20:46 PM »

Keep arguing. I just gave you almost 100 reasons.

Coach, all that copy and pasting you did for nothing.

   what you've just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this forum is now dumber for having had to read it.
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« Reply #68 on: January 01, 2018, 05:27:46 PM »

Coach, all that copy and pasting you did for nothing.

   what you've just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this forum is now dumber for having had to read it.
Not his best movie, but it had it's moments.
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« Reply #69 on: January 01, 2018, 05:32:33 PM »

Coach, all that copy and pasting you did for nothing.

   what you've just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this forum is now dumber for having had to read it.

All I did was point out with research to back it, the reasons why weed is a horrible drug. How was I “rambling” and incoherent if it was point by point?
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« Reply #70 on: January 01, 2018, 05:33:14 PM »

Not his best movie, but it had it's moments.

There is no best movie from him, they are all the same. His movies are fun to watch, especially when you are smokin'
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« Reply #71 on: January 01, 2018, 05:36:19 PM »

All I did was point out with research to back it, the reasons why weed is a horrible drug. How was I “rambling” and incoherent if it was point by point?

Thanks for proving my point. The movie quote I posted and framed to fit this went right over your head. You have been blinded by the alt right conservative dogma originally perpetrated by William Randolph Hearst. Congratulations.
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« Reply #72 on: January 01, 2018, 05:38:02 PM »

Thanks for proving my point. The movie quote I posted and framed to fit this went right over your head. You have been blinded by the alt right conservative dogma originally perpetrated by William Randolph Hearst. Congratulations.

But some of the research came from less conservative sources. Hey bud, go smoke your weed. I don’t care. Besides what I just posted the main point is the law is an excuse for revenue, not because law makers give a shit about anything else.
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« Reply #73 on: January 01, 2018, 05:47:49 PM »

But some of the research came from less conservative sources. Hey bud, go smoke your weed. I don’t care. Besides what I just posted the main point is the law is an excuse for revenue, not because law makers give a shit about anything else.

Of course it's an excuse for revenue. Law makers don't make a move towards anything that is otherwise. Over 2/3 of all congressional activity is regulating laws towards business and taxation. Nothing new here, the upside is decriminalization of a naturally grown harmless plant. There will always be those whom cannot do anything in moderation. There will be those who are or become dope heads. I would rather see that than more alcoholics.
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« Reply #74 on: January 01, 2018, 05:50:09 PM »

The problem is when things are so heavily regulated they become more desirable, look at alcohol for instance, in Europe I don't even think they have a drinking age, my cousins in Italy started drinking at 12 years old, alcohol isn't something forbidden to the youth until they turn 21, yet you don't see DUI's there or people in the ER for alcohol poising or AA, it's just not a big deal there. As well as nudity, hell their local news papers and variety tv shows commonly have nudity in them, in America that is unheard of.  I've been to Thailand, in Thailand you can walk in to a pharmacy and get anything you want, Antibiotics, Viagra, Steroids, pain medications, etc.. yet you don't see Thai people abusing these drugs, if these drugs were legally available over the counter in America, there would be lines hours long to purchase these medications, all because these things are so strictly regulated here in the US.

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