When are you guys gonna admit the Trump administration is a CLUSTERF**K?

[Dos Equis]

Trump is a better manager then Obama. Not hard to say.

Agree.

[Soul Crusher]

Uh, no.  Obama was a lazy, incompetent, dishonest leader.  And he had is own share of turnover:

As to Trump’s changing of White House personnel, President Barack Obama, over his two terms, had five chiefs of staff. One “interim” chief of staff lasted less time than did Reince Priebus. Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan, two-term presidents, had four each.

Obama had four secretaries of Defense, more than Clinton and Reagan. In the case of Obama’s first three, upon departure, they had significant policy differences with the boss.

Leon Panetta, Obama’s second secretary of Defense, complained about what he considered Obama’s poor leadership, one that “avoids the battle, complains and misses opportunities.” On Iraq, Panetta felt that Obama “kind of lost his way” when he pulled out all the troops over Panetta’s objection.

http://www.larryelder.com/column/trump-chaos-clinton-white-house/

Obama was the figurehead of a radical progressive junta and he was there for the chooms, bath house hook ups w gay old white democrats, parties w Jay Z etc.   

He coudnt manage a 2 car funeral on his best day. 

[Dos Equis]

Obama was the figurehead of a radical progressive junta and he was there for the chooms, bath house hook ups w gay old white democrats, parties w Jay Z etc.   

He coudnt manage a 2 car funeral on his best day. 

lol   

[Agnostic007]

Horse fucking shit. Your “employees” reporting to you are backed by a union and you in almost any capacity have no authority to fire anyone. What happened to the business you owned? If you think Trump would have been “canned” what does that say about Obama?

On that note, if Trump was working in a company, I guaranfuckingtee he wouldn’t have been “canned” because to a company, bottom line rules. The US bottomline is growing by the month and by the QTR. Check yourself before you go spouting off about business.

the employees are covered under civil service. I certainly don't have the capacity to personally fire them, however I do have the capacity to have them fired. In those times, I have sat across from them and looked them in the face during the termination hearing. In two of the cases I walked the officers out to their vehicle after their termination. In those cases it was the appropriate thing to do, it was not a pleasant thing but that's what leaders do.

The business I owned is still doing about 15K a month profit. How's yours doing?

When are you going to stop talking about Obama? This is supposed to be a new day, a new unpolitical administration where we are supposed to see how it is done right, not the way it has always been done. Trump has only shown he is over his head and doesn't have the basic management skills of a low level supervisor.  

I think I'm competent enough to talk about business when we are discussing management. The whitehouse isn't about making profit although I've done that in the business I owned. What we are talking about here is leadership and management skills and I think were we to compare histories, I can safely say I likely know more about it than you do so... take your own advice and check yourself before spouting off about business... 

[Fuzzy Nuts]

Andreisawelfarethug usually posts at night after working a hangover the night before - robbing a few bodegas - scamming some luckies at the track - and then manages to hop on a computer free of charge at the Group Hpme

333, you have a lot in common with Trump, weak hands and big mouth.

[Fuzzy Nuts]

So Clinton signed bills into law which crashed the economy, but it's not his fault.  It's all Bush's fault for not cleaning up Clinton's mess and for not reversing all those laws which crashed the economy?

News flash:  The president can't reverse laws that were passed through congress.  Only congress can do that, and the president can only sign or veto the bills.

Take some responsibility.

Hey Captain Obvious, I'm not denying Clinton started this mess. But over 8 plus years nobody saw the big crash coming? 

In current news, more banking deregulation happening this week.

[andreisdaman]

Trump is a better manager then Obama. Not hard to say.

Anyone can say ANYTHING..but its a statement devoid of ALL fact.

[andreisdaman]

Agree.

Your agreement with that is laughable

[andreisdaman]

Obama could not even manage keeping his hog of a spouse from raiding the WH kitchen nightly. 

Michelle runs rings around Trump's wife in terms of morality and being a first lady......at least Michelle Obama  didn't lie about her education background and is not a pornographer

[chaos]

I've owned a business. I've also had 270 plus employees reporting to me. Trump is HORRIBLE at managing, if I ran my department like Trump is running his, I would have been canned   

What kind of business? How many people? How long?

Of those "270 employees" I would guess there was a minimum of 4 levels of management before the low guy even got to you, so you're kind of full of shit on that. I would guess that you probably only directly interacted/managed 10-15 people.

Are you saying that you would allow bad employees to stay on the job if you took over a management position even if you were the one to hire the employee? Well, I guess you would have had to considering the union protection racket.

[Agnostic007]

What kind of business? How many people? How long?

Of those "270 employees" I would guess there was a minimum of 4 levels of management before the low guy even got to you, so you're kind of full of shit on that. I would guess that you probably only directly interacted/managed 10-15 people.

Are you saying that you would allow bad employees to stay on the job if you took over a management position even if you were the one to hire the employee? Well, I guess you would have had to considering the union protection racket.

A Sandwich/Burger joint and a Gas/convenience store. Several years, roughly 12 employees in the restaurant,  7 employees  for the store.

Not full of shit at all. I was responsible for managing all those under me. I had people working directly under me, so there were certainly levels, but any personnel issues of any serious nature, any decisions impacting the division came to me. I was responsible for managing those people.

As far as a direct correlation with Trumps management issues, like Trump, I was able to select those people who would head my sub divisions. I allowed them to select those who worked for them. The difference is, I picked good people and it wasn't all that hard. Another thing, if I had a problem with one of my direct reports, like a Jeff Sessions or a Tillerson I would call them in and discuss the issue privately with them. At no time, would it cross my mind, or any other manager worth their salt, to tweet, or group email disparaging remarks about my direct report. That's just childish and unprofessional.

When I took over a division, There may be one or 2 personnel changes, as their vision and my vision of where we are going may not be the same. Often times they could adjust, other times they had other positions within the department they wanted to experience. Sometimes it was just a personality clash but those were rare. But.. once those changes were made, my picks were in place, there was rarely turn over. Because I was 1. Sane  2. Not pathological  3. Cared about my employees, 4. Was professional and had attended a management course or two over the decades and had people skills

 

[Primemuscle]

There is no way that you or anyone can say that Trump is a better manager than Obama...the levels of people leaving, getting fired and being indicted for corruption in this administration  is AMAZING!!!

You are wasting your time with Coach. Nothing is going to change his thinking. Look through his political posts and you'll see how dogmatic he is. The good news for him is he's got some company. These are the folks Trump was talking about when he made that statement about shooting someone in the middle of Times Square and getting away with it because nobody would care.

[Primemuscle]

Trump is a better manager then Obama. Not hard to say.

Oh yeah. 

[Primemuscle]

I don't like the way he treats people, but you are just flat out wrong about his success.  He definitely had a big head start, but he took that head start and multiplied it by orders of magnitude.  He turned his daddy's money into one of the most successful brands in American history.  He turned that success into becoming the most powerful man on the planet.  

You and others can keep trying to speak his failure into existence, but it's not going to work.  What he has done and continues to do is incredible, particularly given "the resistance."  

Trump's six Chapter 11 bankruptcies, humongous debt and a lot of business failures suggest otherwise.


Trump's business failures
Trump Steaks
GoTrump (online travel site)
Trump Airlines
Trump Vodka
Trump Mortgage
Trump: The Game
Trump Magazine
Trump University
Trump Ice (bottled water)
The New Jersey Generals (pro football team)
Tour de Trump (bicycle race)
Trump Network (nutritional supplements)
Trumped! (syndicated radio spot)

Beyond finding that companies owned by Mr. Trump had debts of at least $650 million, The Times discovered that a substantial portion of his wealth is tied up in three passive partnerships that owe an additional $2 billion to a string of lenders, including those that hold the loan on the Avenue of the Americas building.Aug 20, 2016

Oct 17, 2017 - President Donald Trump's net worth has fallen by $600 million over the past year, according to the Forbes, and his ranking in the magazine's newest list of the 400 Richest Americans has dropped significantly as well. Specifically, Trump has dropped 92 spots in Forbes' 36th annual “400” list.

Last year the Trump Organization reported nearly $9.5 billion in revenues, but public filings by President Donald Trump suggest that the company actually earned between $600 and $700 million in 2016.

[Montague]

You are wasting your time with Coach. Nothing is going to change his thinking. Look through his political posts and you'll see how dogmatic he is. The good news for him is he's got some company. These are the folks Trump was talking about when he made that statement about shooting someone in the middle of Times Square and getting away with it because nobody would care.

Let's look through YOUR OWN posts...
You're pretty critical of others for someone who defends adults who are sexually attracted to children.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=638091.msg8932410#msg8932410


At least Coach defends his stance.
Your only "defense" consists of either crying that you "don't have to explain yourself," or you simply report posts you can't counter.

[Dos Equis]

Trump's six Chapter 11 bankruptcies, humongous debt and a lot of business failures suggest otherwise.


Trump's business failures
Trump Steaks
GoTrump (online travel site)
Trump Airlines
Trump Vodka
Trump Mortgage
Trump: The Game
Trump Magazine
Trump University
Trump Ice (bottled water)
The New Jersey Generals (pro football team)
Tour de Trump (bicycle race)
Trump Network (nutritional supplements)
Trumped! (syndicated radio spot)

Beyond finding that companies owned by Mr. Trump had debts of at least $650 million, The Times discovered that a substantial portion of his wealth is tied up in three passive partnerships that owe an additional $2 billion to a string of lenders, including those that hold the loan on the Avenue of the Americas building.Aug 20, 2016

His $3 billion dollar net worth confirms his success.  He dropped from the 544th to the 766th wealthiest person on a planet of 7 billion people.  My math skills suck, but that makes him one of the wealthiest persons on planet earth.   
 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/luisakroll/2018/03/06/forbes-billionaires-2018-meet-the-richest-people-on-the-planet/#66d83cfb6523   

[andreisdaman]

You are wasting your time with Coach. Nothing is going to change his thinking. Look through his political posts and you'll see how dogmatic he is. The good news for him is he's got some company. These are the folks Trump was talking about when he made that statement about shooting someone in the middle of Times Square and getting away with it because nobody would care.

good point.  I know you're absolutely right...agreed..its just so odd to see people suspend belief the way that Trump supporters do.

[Primemuscle]

His $3 billion dollar net worth confirms his success.  He dropped from the 544th to the 766th wealthiest person on a planet of 7 billion people.  My math skills suck, but that makes him one of the wealthiest persons on planet earth.   
 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/luisakroll/2018/03/06/forbes-billionaires-2018-meet-the-richest-people-on-the-planet/#66d83cfb6523   

Actually trump is thought to be the wealthiest U.S president of all time. I wonder what I'd be worth if my dad gave me $14 mil in seed money back in the 70's? that old saying that 'the rich get richer and the poor poorer" seems accurate.

Fred’s will “divided the bulk of the inheritance, at least $20 million, among his children and their descendants, ‘other than my son Fred C. Trump Jr.,’ ” who died in 1981. At the time, there were four surviving children, Robert, Donald, Maryanne and Elizabeth.

In addition to this inheritance, Trump’s father helped the mogul financially throughout his lifetime by giving him loans and access to trust funds, and establishing a wealth of real estate and political connections for his son.

[Dos Equis]

Actually trump is thought to be the wealthiest U.S president of all time. I wonder what I'd be worth if my dad gave me $14 mil in seed money back in the 70's? that old saying that 'the rich get richer and the poor poorer" seems accurate.

Fred’s will “divided the bulk of the inheritance, at least $20 million, among his children and their descendants, ‘other than my son Fred C. Trump Jr.,’ ” who died in 1981. At the time, there were four surviving children, Robert, Donald, Maryanne and Elizabeth.

In addition to this inheritance, Trump’s father helped the mogul financially throughout his lifetime by giving him loans and access to trust funds, and establishing a wealth of real estate and political connections for his son.

Let me take a wild stab at this:  you would not have a net worth of over $3 billion, would not be married to a supermodel, and would not be POTUS.  But I'm just guessing.   

[Coach is Back!]

You are wasting your time with Coach. Nothing is going to change his thinking. Look through his political posts and you'll see how dogmatic he is. The good news for him is he's got some company. These are the folks Trump was talking about when he made that statement about shooting someone in the middle of Times Square and getting away with it because nobody would care.

Yes, because it’s easy to see through the liberal ideology and how the elected political left plays on the uninformed constituents like yourself in believing whatever they tell you. Liberalism/Socialism has never worked and never will but for whatever reason, you don’t see it. I don’t get it. Unless you’re for socialism/communism and Marxism then just admit it. The liberal left is ANYTHING but capitalism. Agreed?

[Agnostic007]

Yes, because it’s easy to see through the liberal ideology and how the elected political left plays on the uninformed constituents like yourself in believing whatever they tell you. Liberalism/Socialism has never worked and never will but for whatever reason, you don’t see it. I don’t get it. Unless you’re for socialism/communism and Marxism then just admit it. The liberal left is ANYTHING but capitalism. Agreed?

When Hannity retires you are a shoe in

[illuminati]

Let me take a wild stab at this:  you would not have a net worth of over $3 billion, would not be married to a supermodel, and would not be POTUS.  But I'm just guessing.  

Nope probably not
Though good chance he’d be caught visiting Glory Holes & homo Daisy Chains
Oh yes and let’s not Forget what he’d Likely be doing to help Underage sex
& Paedophiles.

[Primemuscle]

Yes, because it’s easy to see through the liberal ideology and how the elected political left plays on the uninformed constituents like yourself in believing whatever they tell you. Liberalism/Socialism has never worked and never will but for whatever reason, you don’t see it. I don’t get it. Unless you’re for socialism/communism and Marxism then just admit it. The liberal left is ANYTHING but capitalism. Agreed?

Apparently, I got this wrong. It is the opposite of what I posted. I should have know something wasn't right when this information surprised me. Sorry.
Interesting. I feel the same about many conservative ideologies. Since you don't actually know me, You cannot possibly know whether I am an uninformed constituent or a lobbyist and activist for a variety of associations.

We should meet up for dinner next time I'm in D.C. I know some great bars and eateries in the 'circle' such as Larry's lounge or the Teddy & The Bully Bar. I'd invite you to the Oregon State Capital in Salem where I could introduce you to some of the legislators the organization I chair has supported, both Democrats and Republicans, but you probably want to stick to you're own state capital's business in Sacramento.

Did you know there are way more registered Republicans than Democrats in California? Why is it that almost 62% of California's registered voters voted for HRC and only 32% of the voters supported Trump?

My current concerns are regarding Trump and not so much political parties or ideologies. To answer your question, capitalism is the social system of individual rights, property rights, and personal liberty and has nothing in common with conservatism or fascism and I am not an extremist either towards the left or the right.

[Board_SHERIF]

Quote from: mazrim on March 15, 2018, 09:25:20 AM
Trump is a better manager then Obama. Not hard to say.

Oh yeah. 

Yup Hussien's $17 trillion national dept was genius 

[Dos Equis]

Did you know there are way more registered Republicans than Democrats in California? Why is it that almost 62% of California's registered voters voted for HRC and only 32% of the voters supported Trump?

Because what you said is false.  California registered voters as of 2 January 2018:

Democrats:  8,471,371 - 44.6 percent
Republicans:  4,827,973 - 25.4 percent
No party preference:  4,734,847 - 25.0 percent
Other:  946,290 - 5.0 percent

http://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/ror/154day-stwddirprim-2018/historical-reg-stats.pdf