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Charles Glass - Angles to his different parts of muscles
« on: March 17, 2018, 09:39:38 AM »
Do angles really matter in the gym? Charles Glass appears to utilize a variety of angles to hit different parts of the muscle--the results seem to be there, as the people he trains constantly make it to the MR. O stage.

If I change the angles up, will I see better results?

At 3:35, he slightly adjusts the guys seating position to target the upper chest.

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Re: Charles Glass
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2018, 09:42:32 AM »
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Re: Charles Glass
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2018, 09:49:41 AM »
Do angles really matter in the gym?

If I change the angles up, will I see better results?





Yes. Flat, incline and decline bench press all target the muscle differently. It's science.

Don't forgot about incline squats and decline deadlifts.

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Re: Charles Glass
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2018, 09:55:38 AM »
Yes. Flat, incline and decline bench press all target the muscle differently. It's science.

Don't forgot about incline squats and decline deadlifts.

Today in the gym, I did flat and incline presses, but left out decline. Damn.

Oh well, there is always next work out.
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Re: Charles Glass
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2018, 10:01:32 AM »
Decline presses are for frat boys and gym bros.  When's the last time you saw a bodybuilder whose lower pecs were too small for his upper pecs?  It just doesn't happen.

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Re: Charles Glass
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2018, 10:03:26 AM »
Today in the gym, I did flat and incline presses, but left out decline. Damn.

Oh well, there is always next work out.

You may want to head back in bro. You can get your post workout protein and then while your upper and mid chest is recovering you can destroy your lower chest.

You'll be a monster.

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Re: Charles Glass
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2018, 10:17:44 AM »
You may want to head back in bro. You can get your post workout protein and then while your upper and mid chest is recovering you can destroy your lower chest.

You'll be a monster.

But I have to go to work at Sears and Roebuck. What's more important?
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Re: Charles Glass
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2018, 10:23:45 AM »
But I have to go to work at Sears and Roebuck. What's more important?

Live you life bro. Don't let society put you in a box, defining you as a stereotype.

Do your decline on your break, use the display bench in the fitness department (by the lawn equipment). That bench should be adjustable. Don't worry about the weight, you've already done your heavy lifting, just focus on the squeeze!

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Re: Charles Glass
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2018, 10:37:45 AM »
Live you life bro. Don't let society put you in a box, defining you as a stereotype.

Do your decline on your break, use the display bench in the fitness department (by the lawn equipment). That bench should be adjustable. Don't worry about the weight, you've already done your heavy lifting, just focus on the squeeze!

I have to focus on the mind-muscle connection.
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Re: Charles Glass
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2018, 10:45:37 AM »
I have to focus on the mind-muscle connection.

Easy for me but the muscles involved are usually some female’s glutes across the gym

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Re: Charles Glass
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2018, 11:03:29 AM »
I would ask Coach.

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Re: Charles Glass
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2018, 11:06:14 AM »
Get yourself some training resistance bands all angles, all muscles, can even hook up to certain machines at th gym and use them for resistance shadow boxing.

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Re: Charles Glass
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2018, 12:21:47 PM »
I would ask Coach.

Lets be honest here, Coach does know his stuff when it comes to training, even if you disagree with him politically.
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Re: Charles Glass
« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2018, 01:10:10 PM »
Do angles really matter in the gym? Charles Glass appears to utilize a variety of angles to hit different parts of the muscle--the results seem to be there, as the people he trains constantly make it to the MR. O stage.

If I change the angles up, will I see better results?

At 3:35, he slightly adjusts the guys seating position to target the upper chest.


          vince gironda has said that 50 years ago..a muscle has four sides.
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Re: Charles Glass
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2018, 01:11:50 PM »
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Re: Charles Glass
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2018, 01:33:33 PM »
Decline presses are for frat boys and gym bros.  When's the last time you saw a bodybuilder whose lower pecs were too small for his upper pecs?  It just doesn't happen.

According to EMG (i think that's the acronym... were they attach electrodes to muscles to measure a muscles activity/contraction) studies, decline presses involve more "upper" pec fibers than incline presses.

Incline presses, IMO, emphasize more of the anterior delt fibers, & De-emphasize the pec/upper-pec fibers.

If you're looking for a movement that emphasizes the pecs overall, I don't think there's a better movement than decline presses or decline db-flyes.

Training with "angles" isn't so much emphasizing a particular head of a muscle group, but instead you're placing other parts of that muscle in a weaker position to contract.

Triceps are a prime example, as are back movements.

With triceps, sure, doing pushdowns will activate all 3 heads of the triceps, but the majority of the workload gets placed on the lateral head. However, placing the upper-arm overhead, as verticle as possible, will place the lateral and medial heads in a weak position to contract, so the workload gets shifted primarily to the long head.

The further down you bring that upper arm, for example laying triceps extensions on a 45° incline bench & doing "overhead" triceps extensions will put a lil more of the workload back toward the lateral and medial (moreso lateral) heads. So you get more of a 33/33/33 % workload spread.

A favorite of mine is to do tricep extension/pushdown that mimic a 45° laying triceps ext.

You take an overhead pulley with a straightest, but instead of a conventional "push down", you step back a bit (2-3ft), bend forward at The waist 45°, & bring your arms up till your elbows are up about inline with your chin & do the "push down". However, you're not pushing the bar down, you're pushing the bar "out" because you're keeping your upper-arms locked in that position.

The entire movement, if viewing it from the side, would look exactly like a lying triceps extensions ("skullcrusher", either flat, or 30° incline), yet you still have resistance at the peak-contraction because of the cable. With a barbell/ez-bar, at peak contraction/elbows locked, you lose resistance because the weight is supported through the joints.

.. Ill chime in later with back stuff later. Getting tired of typing...

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Re: Charles Glass
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2018, 01:52:17 PM »
According to EMG (i think that's the acronym... were they attach electrodes to muscles to measure a muscles activity/contraction) studies, decline presses involve more "upper" pec fibers than incline presses.

Incline presses, IMO, emphasize more of the anterior delt fibers, & De-emphasize the pec/upper-pec fibers.

If you're looking for a movement that emphasizes the pecs overall, I don't think there's a better movement than decline presses or decline db-flyes.

Training with "angles" isn't so much emphasizing a particular head of a muscle group, but instead you're placing other parts of that muscle in a weaker position to contract.


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With triceps, sure, doing pushdowns will activate all 3 heads of the triceps, but the majority of the workload gets placed on the lateral head. However, placing the upper-arm overhead, as verticle as possible, will place the lateral and medial heads in a weak position to contract, so the workload gets shifted primarily to the long head.

The further down you bring that upper arm, for example laying triceps extensions on a 45° incline bench & doing "overhead" triceps extensions will put a lil more of the workload back toward the lateral and medial (moreso lateral) heads. So you get more of a 33/33/33 % workload spread.

A favorite of mine is to do tricep extension/pushdown that mimic a 45° laying triceps ext.

You take an overhead pulley with a straightest, but instead of a conventional "push down", you step back a bit (2-3ft), bend forward at The waist 45°, & bring your arms up till your elbows are up about inline with your chin & do the "push down". However, you're not pushing the bar down, you're pushing the bar "out" because you're keeping your upper-arms locked in that position.

The entire movement, if viewing it from the side, would look exactly like a lying triceps extensions ("skullcrusher", either flat, or 30° incline), yet you still have resistance at the peak-contraction because of the cable. With a barbell/ez-bar, at peak contraction/elbows locked, you lose resistance because the weight is supported through the joints.

.. Ill chime in later with back stuff later. Getting tired of typing...

Doing push downs like a skull crusher sounds like a great idea

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Re: Charles Glass
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2018, 01:53:05 PM »
According to EMG (i think that's the acronym... were they attach electrodes to muscles to measure a muscles activity/contraction) studies, decline presses involve more "upper" pec fibers than incline presses.

Incline presses, IMO, emphasize more of the anterior delt fibers, & De-emphasize the pec/upper-pec fibers.

If you're looking for a movement that emphasizes the pecs overall, I don't think there's a better movement than decline presses or decline db-flyes.

Training with "angles" isn't so much emphasizing a particular head of a muscle group, but instead you're placing other parts of that muscle in a weaker position to contract.

Triceps are a prime example, as are back movements.

With triceps, sure, doing pushdowns will activate all 3 heads of the triceps, but the majority of the workload gets placed on the lateral head. However, placing the upper-arm overhead, as verticle as possible, will place the lateral and medial heads in a weak position to contract, so the workload gets shifted primarily to the long head.

The further down you bring that upper arm, for example laying triceps extensions on a 45° incline bench & doing "overhead" triceps extensions will put a lil more of the workload back toward the lateral and medial (moreso lateral) heads. So you get more of a 33/33/33 % workload spread.

A favorite of mine is to do tricep extension/pushdown that mimic a 45° laying triceps ext.

You take an overhead pulley with a straightest, but instead of a conventional "push down", you step back a bit (2-3ft), bend forward at The waist 45°, & bring your arms up till your elbows are up about inline with your chin & do the "push down". However, you're not pushing the bar down, you're pushing the bar "out" because you're keeping your upper-arms locked in that position.

The entire movement, if viewing it from the side, would look exactly like a lying triceps extensions ("skullcrusher", either flat, or 30° incline), yet you still have resistance at the peak-contraction because of the cable. With a barbell/ez-bar, at peak contraction/elbows locked, you lose resistance because the weight is supported through the joints.

.. Ill chime in later with back stuff later. Getting tired of typing...
Optimum angle for incline presses is 30 degrees.
This is the study you were talking about.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/lifestyle/study-yields-optimal-bench-press-angle-1.2333621

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Re: Charles Glass
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2018, 02:19:39 PM »
Optimum angle for incline presses is 30 degrees.
This is the study you were talking about.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/lifestyle/study-yields-optimal-bench-press-angle-1.2333621

I believe I've seen multiple over the years since 96.

Personally, I'm still a big fan of declines & hate flats, as my back/ scapula never feel "right" on the pad. Not that I like declines because I can push more weight, couldn't care less about that, but the "feel" of the movement is much, much better for me. I can actually feel the pecs (&triceps, when i do a proper press/elbows tucked) contract.  I also use a medium grip or closer for about 75% of the sets.  To the point it's near what a close-grip is for many.

*this is all my *personal workouts*, not counting clients, as thats a different story.

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Re: Charles Glass
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2018, 06:03:12 PM »
Lets be honest here, Coach does know his stuff when it comes to training, even if you disagree with him politically.

Have you trained with Coach before? From another thread he seems to know you.

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Re: Charles Glass
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2018, 06:27:35 PM »
Have you trained with Coach before? From another thread he seems to know you.

Yes, he has. Despite our differences, I like SF1900. He just has a way of irritating me on certain subjects..lol

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« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2018, 06:30:33 PM »
Yes, he has. Despite our differences, I like SF1900. He just has a way of irritating me on certain subjects..lol

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Re: Charles Glass - Angles to his different parts of muscles
« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2018, 07:59:05 PM »
A muscle has one function and moves in one direction. You can't 'hit' it from another angle.

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Re: Charles Glass - Angles to his different parts of muscles
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2018, 01:13:04 AM »
A muscle has one function and moves in one direction. You can't 'hit' it from another angle.


A muscle has one function and moves in one direction. ——

A muscle contracts & The Bone or bones moves - Though not necessarily in one direction.


You can't 'hit' it from another angle.  ——

Certainly some exercise can & do stimulate muscles in different areas
Dependent to some degree on the origin & insertion of the muscles.

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Re: Charles Glass - Angles to his different parts of muscles
« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2018, 01:50:32 AM »
Do angles really matter in the gym? Charles Glass appears to utilize a variety of angles to hit different parts of the muscle--the results seem to be there, as the people he trains constantly make it to the MR. O stage.

If I change the angles up, will I see better results?

At 3:35, he slightly adjusts the guys seating position to target the upper chest.



He’s actually been giving shit advice for years, especially re: side laterals. He makes clients lead with the pinky finger/internally rotated shoulders which is a known way to quickly cause shoulder impingement. His advice is Bro science.