What do you consider reasonable weekly/monthly $$ for fitness lifestyle?

[illuminati]

You think protein consumption and body building aren't relevant to each other?

They are not as relevant as is pushed through mags etc
It’s all a marketing ploy

You can’t force the muscles to grow by eating excessive amounts of protein

A good balanced diet with sufficient macros / micros / vits & mins plenty of water

If you could gain 10lbs of lean quality muscle in 1yr
that’s 160oz less than half an oz per day.
1oz = 28.34grams
That’s less than 14grams
So what’s the other 300/400/500 grams of protein doing

Just stressing your kidneys & being excreted
& Turning to fat.

[be back]

They are not as relevant as is pushed through mags etc
It’s all a marketing ploy

You can’t force the muscles to grow by eating excessive amounts of protein

A good balanced diet with sufficient macros / micros / vits & mins plenty of water

If you could gain 10lbs of lean quality muscle in 1yr
that’s 160oz less than half an oz per day.
1oz = 28.34grams
That’s less than 14grams
So what’s the other 300/400/500 grams of protein doing

Just stressing your kidneys & being excreted
& Turning to fat.

great post

I eat around 120-150gms protein offseason, a bit more precontest to compensate for the lack of carbs

[Agnostic007]

They are not as relevant as is pushed through mags etc
It’s all a marketing ploy

You can’t force the muscles to grow by eating excessive amounts of protein

A good balanced diet with sufficient macros / micros / vits & mins plenty of water

If you could gain 10lbs of lean quality muscle in 1yr
that’s 160oz less than half an oz per day.
1oz = 28.34grams
That’s less than 14grams
So what’s the other 300/400/500 grams of protein doing

Just stressing your kidneys & being excreted
& Turning to fat.

Just wondering if you thought protein had a role in building muscle.
My original post was about real food vs shakes. Would you rather have your protein source in shakes or things like chicken breast and lean meat. I prefer the later. I don't like feeling hungry

[be back]

Just wondering if you thought protein had a role in building muscle.
My original post was about real food vs shakes. Would you rather have your protein source in shakes or things like chicken breast and lean meat. I prefer the later. I don't like feeling hungry

whey is a waste by product of cheese production

[IRON CROSS]

whey is a waste by product of cheese production

Aussie pigs love that yellow liquid 

[illuminati]

Just wondering if you thought protein had a role in building muscle.
My original post was about real food vs shakes. Would you rather have your protein source in shakes or things like chicken breast and lean meat. I prefer the later. I don't like feeling hungry

Yes protein has a role - definitely
Only that role is wholly over exaggerated

Generally speaking chicken / beef / tuna
Though with working odd hours & travelling
I do have to use Quality Fartpowder Shakes 

Same here not keen on the feeling hungry.

[Al Doggity]

They are not as relevant as is pushed through mags etc
It’s all a marketing ploy

You can’t force the muscles to grow by eating excessive amounts of protein

A good balanced diet with sufficient macros / micros / vits & mins plenty of water

If you could gain 10lbs of lean quality muscle in 1yr
that’s 160oz less than half an oz per day.
1oz = 28.34grams
That’s less than 14grams
So what’s the other 300/400/500 grams of protein doing

Just stressing your kidneys & being excreted
& Turning to fat.

In your post that preceded this one, you agreed with someone that protein consumption was nearly irrelevant in putting on muscle. That's drastically different from there being an upper limit to how much you muscle you can gain from a protein rich diet. I'll leave it at that since you seemed to back off of that in later posts, but this equation is completely off-base. I'm not gonna pretend to be a biophysicist and put up a countercalculation, but the first thing you are ignoring is that the protein you consume maintains the muscle you already have. Secondly, our bodies are not perfectly efficient. Just as eating 200 pounds of food a year doesn't mean you gain 200 pounds, eating a certain number of grams of protein doesn't mean you gain that amount in muscle. Your body uses what you eat, and the way it uses it depends on your lifestyle.

[illuminati]

In your post that preceded this one, you agreed with someone that protein consumption was nearly irrelevant in putting on muscle. That's drastically different from there being an upper limit to how much you muscle you can gain from a protein rich diet. I'll leave it at that since you seemed to back off of that in later posts, but this equation is completely off-base. I'm not gonna pretend to be a biophysicist and put up a countercalculation, but the first thing you are ignoring is that the protein you consume maintains the muscle you already have. Secondly, our bodies are not perfectly efficient. Just as eating 200 pounds of food a year doesn't mean you gain 200 pounds, eating a certain number of grams of protein doesn't mean you gain that amount in muscle. Your body uses what you eat, and the way it uses it depends on your lifestyle.

Excuse me .
Is it.
I’m not backing off anything from what I said - Where ?

No that equation isn’t the Be All & End All of protein consumption
Just a very simple example of very roughly 14grams of protein add as muscle mass
Over the course of a year would equate to roughly 10lb of muscle gain.

Is there an upper or lower limit to protein consumption & muscular gains ?
I don’t know — Do You ??

I personally don’t believe there is any need for any one to eat hugely excessive
Amounts of protein - that being said likely a 300lb muscular man
Would likely need more than a 100lb muscular to maintain let alone gain
Muscle tissue.

You wish to eat huge amounts of protein then good for you...Enjoy.

[Al Doggity]

Excuse me .
Is it.
I’m not backing off anything from what I said - Where ?

No that equation isn’t the Be All & End All of protein consumption
Just a very simple example of very roughly 14grams of protein add as muscle mass
Over the course of a year would equate to roughly 10lb of muscle gain.

Is there an upper or lower limit to protein consumption & muscular gains ?
I don’t know — Do You ??

I personally don’t believe there is any need for any one to eat hugely excessive
Amounts of protein - that being said likely a 300lb muscular man
Would likely need more than a 100lb muscular to maintain let alone gain
Muscle tissue.

You wish to eat huge amounts of protein then good for you...Enjoy.

The point is the basic concept of that equation is wrong. Even if you take it at face value, Your starting point wouldn't be 14 grams, it would be whatever your maintenance level was with an additional 14 grams. So the excess isn't everything beyond 14 grams, it's everything beyond your maintenance plus 14 grams. That is, if you choose to take that equation at face value.


You literally went from agreeing with someone who said "protein was irrelevant" to saying protein has a role but it is exaggerated and that you use shakes.

If you think a 300lb man likely needs more protein than a 100lb man to gain and maintain muscle, then you are saying there's a lower limit. And if you don't believe people need what you describe as hugely excessive amounts of protein, then you are saying that there's an upper limit.

I read your post half a dozen times and I'm honestly not sure what you are arguing about. You are saying that you think one thing and then using examples that prove the opposite. 

[illuminati]

The point is the basic concept of that equation is wrong. Even if you take it at face value, Your starting point wouldn't be 14 grams, it would be whatever your maintenance level was with an additional 14 grams. So the excess isn't everything beyond 14 grams, it's everything beyond your maintenance plus 14 grams. That is, if you choose to take that equation at face value.


You literally went from agreeing with someone who said "protein was irrelevant" to saying protein has a role but it is exaggerated and that you use shakes.

If you think a 300lb man likely needs more protein than a 100lb man to gain and maintain muscle, then you are saying there's a lower limit. And if you don't believe people need what you describe as hugely excessive amounts of protein, then you are saying that there's an upper limit.

I read your post half a dozen times and I'm honestly not sure what you are arguing about. You are saying that you think one thing and then using examples that prove the opposite. 

You failed to answer any questions asked

where have I gone from saying protein is irrelevant

And why do i use shakes ? Then.

I seriously doubt your reading comprehension skills.



 

[Al Doggity]

You failed to answer any questions asked

where have I gone from saying protein is irrelevant

And why do i use shakes ? Then.

I seriously doubt your reading comprehension skills.

 I answered every question you posted.  

Earlier in the thread, one poster posted this:

this is a genetic game, protein consumption is damn near irrelevant

You quoted him and responded with this:

Yes - pretty much so.

Maybe my reading comprehension skills really are terrible,  but the only interpretation I can come up with for that is that you are agreeing that protein consumption is damn near irrelevant.

If you're saying that you meant something else or that you don't remember posting this, then fine. We're in agreement on that point at least, that protein is important. We would still have differing views on what excessive protein consumption is, though.

[The Keto Kid]

Keto can be super cheap depending on your food choices, but you can get 60 eggs for under $4 at Walmart,  buy 80/20 ground beef, bagged spinach, avocados, and all natural peanut butter. You can get this for well under $100 a week.

[Conker]

Not talking clothing, classes, etc. And also excluding cost of gym and drugs (if you use them). Mainly talking supplements and diet. However, this is getbig so respond anyway you like. Ignore the topic title if you want.

If you are actively working out and dieting to achieve/maintain a bodybuilder/fitness type physique, how much do you drop on supps and diet? When I say diet, I mean approx $$$ ofc and stuff that you probably wouldnt buy if your primary concern wasn't gainzzz. 

gym and drugs are the only real expenses.

only kids and morons take supplements (beyond drugs) and diet... you have to eat regardless whether you train or not.

[Al Doggity]

gym and drugs are the only real expenses.

only kids and morons take supplements (beyond drugs) and diet... you have to eat regardless whether you train or not.

Not sure if this is sarcasm or pure idiocy. I think you're british, so I'm hoping for the former, but I suspect not.

[Al Doggity]

Keto can be super cheap depending on your food choices, but you can get 60 eggs for under $4 at Walmart,  buy 80/20 ground beef, bagged spinach, avocados, and all natural peanut butter. You can get this for well under $100 a week.

Keto is actually why I don't think the upper limit for protein consumption is as low as a lot of others think it is. My current fad diet is not exactly keto, but it's kind of a mix of keto concepts and if concepts.

[Zillotch]

this is a genetic game, protein consumption is damn near irrelevant

this is the truth

protein is great, and delicious, but gorging yourself with protein in an attempt to turn urself into arnold simply will not work.

[Griffith]

gym and drugs are the only real expenses.

only kids and morons take supplements (beyond drugs) and diet... you have to eat regardless whether you train or not.

Some supplements and vitamins actually work and can help for increased energy, relieving pain and joint issues. Creatine also works and can make a noticable difference for a natural.

[Conker]

Not sure if this is sarcasm or pure idiocy. I think you're british, so I'm hoping for the former, but I suspect not.

you look like sht and no one would ever know you train unless you told them. yet for some reason you think you have a clue about training and what works.


post a pic or stfu with your endless threads on matters you know fk all about.

[mazrim]

My wife and I spend about $250 a month on groceries. If we ate fully "healthy/boring" in the fitness sense that is purported it would be less then that. Dent and ding/wholesale stores are awesome.

[Conker]

Some supplements and vitamins actually work and can help for increased energy, relieving pain and joint issues. Creatine also works and can make a noticable difference for a natural.

if you feel like you have a vitamin deficiency or have joint pain or lack energy then sure take a supplement for it but that goes for the entire population not just gym goers. those types of supplements are not training specific. and if you have none of the aforementioned issues they will do absolutely nothing to enhance your training or physique, beyond placebo.

creatine has a minimal effect. from my experience i personally wouldn't waste my money on it.

[Al Doggity]

you look like sht and no one would ever know you train unless you told them. yet for some reason you think you have a clue about training and what works.


post a pic or stfu with your endless threads on matters you know fk all about.

just pure idiocy then 

[Conker]

just pure idiocy then 

what supplements you taking then big boy? and how are they working out for you?

so great you'll never dare post a pic...?

ok keep asking your stupid questions and looking like sht

[Al Doggity]

what supplements you taking then big boy? and how are they working out for you?

so great you'll never dare post a pic...?

ok keep asking your stupid questions and looking like sht

[Al Doggity]

I do want to get this straight ,though- you feel that your profile pic, which presumably is you, is impressive enough that it entitles you to say patently stupid things without being challenged? And somehow me posting a pic will determine whether or not YOU are a stupid troll?

[Conker]

I do want to get this straight ,though- you feel that your profile pic, which presumably is you, is impressive enough that it entitles you to say patently stupid things without being challenged? And somehow me posting a pic will determine whether or not YOU are a stupid troll?

it's not stupid it's the truth. anyone over 20 that's been training for more than 18 months and is still buying BB supplements is an idiot. there's possibly a place for protein powders but not the stupidly over hyped tiny containers that cost a fortune per gram but possibly the reasonably priced bulk products. but i would class that as food tbh and it's not necessary but can be convenient.

and i only need to look like a train to trump a no pic dickless wonder, when it comes to talking about training.

try opening your ears and shutting your mouth for a bit and you may actually learn enough to look like you train too