Who wants to pin themselves with HRT for the next 20 years?

[Primemuscle]

As I have posted before, I go to a HRT clinic here in Ft Lauderdale.  They are a dime a dozen.  It is $149 per month.  But I do not use this all year around.  I only went here so I can get a legit Rx in my name.  I do one four month cycle every year of 600mg test and 600mg primo and there is no sense in risking my professional licenses and career just for cosmetic purposes.  The rest of the months that I do not cycle, I simply save the meds for the next one. Also since I tend to do travel photograph on the side as a hobby and paid gig, I need a legit Rx in case I am stopped in the airport or another country with this medications for the time period I am cycling.  (Plus the empty bottles can be refilled with AAS when I go to India, Bali and Bangkok)

The most common way docs down here Rx their HRT program is :

200mg Test Weekly
500ius of HCG weekly
2mg Adex weekly

They start you out with this and the Test and HCG will remain the same.  They will adjust your Adex intake over the first year to get it in the 15-25 range.  You really don't want your estrogen too low.  My biggest complaint right now is that the compounding pharmacies are now compounding the Test 200mg along with 1mg of Adex per ml.  Which means on cycle, I will be taking 3mg of Adex per week which is overkill.  I normally do not use Adex at all and am just fine.  For the past 7 months, I have been requesting the office to change back to Test only and Adex in tablet form, but 3 of the last 7 packs have been the compound version that includes Adex.

As stated before, I don't use HRT year around and when off I measure out in the 800 range.  On cycle, I tend to be over 1700 sometimes, or 1550 if I get tested 4 days after my shot.  Though if I had to stay on this year around I would certainly consider pellets.

The dosages you mention are very similar to mine, which are:

Mondays = 150 mg of test
Wednesdays = 1 mg Adex
Saturday and Sunday = 250 IU HCG each day.

I don't cycle on and off. My doctor prescribes the Testosterone Cypionate. The other two meds I get on my own via mail order. About a year ago the doctor lowered my test dosage to 150 mg from 200 mg because my hematocrit was elevated. I can also drink more fluids and give blood occasionally to bring it down.

[Zillotch]

I got to 45 seconds of that video and had to stop watching it

its pretty brutal... cows have it better, actually.

[Primemuscle]

No thanks.
I'm 60, still train hard and look good.
No need to stick a needle in my ass and have my nuts die off for vanity's sake.
I grew up mentally and don't need to do that.
Taking HRT to cure your micro-penis problem isn't the answer.  Your self-image will still be inadequate.
Maybe you should see a psychologist about your self-image issues?
Test levels only drop 1% a year on average.
Unless you have some serious natural test problem, which hardly anyone does, you don't need TRT.

• Good for you. Apparently your routine is working.
• TRT will not make your penis grow unless you are in puberty.
• HGC helps maintain natural testosterone production, which keeps your balls in good shape.
• If the only reason someone is on TRT is to improve their self-image...therapy won't fix their low self esteem/image.
• There is nothing juvenile about being on TRT particularly when you follow your doctor's advice/prescription.
• At 1% per year a person would go from a high of 800 down to 400 in 50 years. Other factors, such as hypogonadism that contribute to low testosterone levels. A very conservative view suggests the normal range of testosterone levels in healthy adult males is between 280 to 1,100 nanograms per deciliter (ng/dL). Low testosterone is defined as 300ng/dL.
• 1 in 4 men have low testosterone.

  

[Zillotch]

• 1 in 4 men have low testosterone.

trt will not save your disgusting old ass... also - there will b no trt in hell, might as well up the dose now and flame out like a champ.

[Primemuscle]

trt will not save your disgusting old ass... also - there will b no trt in hell, might as well up the dose now and flame out like a champ.

Looks like you know all about what goes on in hell. 

[Zillotch]

Looks like you know all about what goes on in hell. 

I know that heat generally destroys pharmaceuticals at some point lol

[Primemuscle]

I know that heat generally destroys pharmaceuticals at some point lol

On this, you are probably right.

[tres_taco_combo]

i feel good and my blood levels are solid 34 years old now

future? hell yes I will be on it

[IroNat]

If you need it due to truly low natural test levels, then by all means take it.

Most who take it here don't have that problem.

They are on it for cosmetic reasons and vanity.

[ilalin]

I agree, you don't want too much vanity, but cosmetic reasons...why not?

[IroNat]

I agree, you don't want too much vanity, but cosmetic reasons...why not?

You are messing with your natural hormones.  Your own testes will permanently stop producing natural test and you will be committed to taking TRT for the rest of your life.

What makes you a man.

If you truly have a test problem, then the risk makes sense.  If you don't then you are taking an unnecessary  risk.

The doctors and pharmacists who unethically prescribe this to you don't care, they just want your money liker the gym pusher.

Anyway, I'm going to stop posting in this thread because I am becoming annoying.

[LurkerNoMore]

Adex should not be compounded with test. We're all different. Some people will aromatize more, some less. Some need more estrogen to feel normal (boners, well being, etc...) and some need less.
Estrogen is an important hormone for males too.

Exactly.  Which is why I do not care for the adex added to the test.  I have been reminding them every  month not to send me the compounded mix.

[LurkerNoMore]

So you can't request a different pharmacy? With my doc I can request any pharmacy in the US? And if I wanted a different AI I can request that as well, like if I want Nolvadex instead of Arimidex.

No because keep in mind these are clinics designed to circumnavigate the need for a primary care physician handling all this.  Which is why they skip the trial phase of Androgel that so many old docs prefer to go with first.    They use one pharmacy (APS Pharmacy) that compounds, packs and ships the boxes to the customer.  It's not like the doc gives you a Rx to run to Walgreens with. 

The company actually has a doctors office and patient center set up in the lobby of a LA Fitness here in S. FL.  One of the LA Fitness gyms that is popular with serious bodybuilders and where even the desk staff is enhanced.  So you can expect services to be legitimate but sort of tongue in cheek.

[LurkerNoMore]

The dosages you mention are very similar to mine, which are:

Mondays = 150 mg of test
Wednesdays = 1 mg Adex
Saturday and Sunday = 250 IU HCG each day.

I don't cycle on and off. My doctor prescribes the Testosterone Cypionate. The other two meds I get on my own via mail order. About a year ago the doctor lowered my test dosage to 150 mg from 200 mg because my hematocrit was elevated. I can also drink more fluids and give blood occasionally to bring it down.

When I went for the examination, I deliberately went 4 weeks post cycle when my test measured low.  I had a blood test done with PrivateMd online corp and my test was low (to be expected) post cycle.  I went and fell into the range necessary for their acceptance.

As I said, I only do one cycle per year.  The rest of the time I am clean and still measure in the 800-900 range.   When I do my blood tests for the doc while clean it appears that I am responding nicely to the program.  When I followed their program in the beginning (without using the HCG or adex they sent me) I would test out at 1550-1700 after the injection (which was never a full cc because I didn't want it to be too high)   However when I do go on cycle, with 600mg test weekly, you can imagine that my test levels are a hell of a lot more than 800-900 naturally and 1550-1700 program levels.   So I avoid tests during this time.  Which is not hard to do as they are aware I travel through Europe and Asia often each year and do 4-6 cruises per year.   So after 5  years of being a patient they know my schedule has me away a lot.

Yeah, I am cheating the system is one way to look at it.  But I am not the only one.  I am just doing it to have a legit reason for having AAS in my home and on my person when I travel with no risk of catching a felony from it.

[ESFitness]

Well, from 05-'11, maybe '12, I was on either 200mg every 2 wks or 300mg every 3 weeks (doc's stupid idea that lasted about 3 shots before he saw it was a stupid idea)... Maintained 220-230 (in prison no less, 06-11). Felt great. Test was 750-1200, sometimes 1400 (2days post injection).

Then from 2012- till march ofn2017 my test levels were between 9,500-26,000.. Then was OFF everything till I got out of the hospital after hip surgery in September and did two or three shots of test, then nothing till a 700mg shot last night and in the time I drolled (crashed) down to a test level of <70ng... And was probably at that 70ng since oct/Nov.... And felt absolute shit.

Always knew since I was 15 that I was gonna be on test for the rest of my life, but fuck, after years and years of 6-12 injections per week, and being sore everyday, shit got old and you start to feed doing a shot(esp tren ace,& the cough.. Doubled over on your knees with your face on the floor, coughing your lungs out, gasping for air, pouring sweat & thinking about crawling out to the street somebody can call 911 cuz you think you're fucken dying...3-4x a week, every week... LoL).... So id just put off doing the shots for a day, then 2 days.. Then. Week..then 2.. Etc... Shit gets old after a while lol

[Primemuscle]

Well, from 05-'11, maybe '12, I was on either 200mg every 2 wks or 300mg every 3 weeks (doc's stupid idea that lasted about 3 shots before he saw it was a stupid idea)... Maintained 220-230 (in prison no less, 06-11). Felt great. Test was 750-1200, sometimes 1400 (2days post injection).

Then from 2012- till march ofn2017 my test levels were between 9,500-26,000.. Then was OFF everything till I got out of the hospital after hip surgery in September and did two or three shots of test, then nothing till a 700mg shot last night and in the time I drolled (crashed) down to a test level of <70ng... And was probably at that 70ng since oct/Nov.... And felt absolute shit.

Always knew since I was 15 that I was gonna be on test for the rest of my life, but fuck, after years and years of 6-12 injections per week, and being sore everyday, shit got old and you start to feed doing a shot(esp tren ace,& the cough.. Doubled over on your knees with your face on the floor, coughing your lungs out, gasping for air, pouring sweat & thinking about crawling out to the street somebody can call 911 cuz you think you're fucken dying...3-4x a week, every week... LoL).... So id just put off doing the shots for a day, then 2 days.. Then. Week..then 2.. Etc... Shit gets old after a while lol

My doctor started me on Androgel, which made my nipples more sensitive then they already are. I took this as a sign to move on to injections...didn't want bitch tits. Like with you, at first the doc was injecting 300 mg every three weeks. This was roller coaster hell for me. I suggested weekly self injections, which continues to be the best choice.

Why would you know at 15 you'd be on test the rest of your life? My first experience with test and  Dianabol was at 18 when my doctor suggested it because I was so thin and because I had hypogonadism. Back in those ancient times, D-bol was legal and available with a doctor's prescription. He'd give me the once weekly injection of test. When I added enough pounds to be at a healthy weight, I stopped this routine. At around 30, I was into beefing up and did a three month cycle of D-bol, managing to get up to 225 lbs. Today, I feel great at 175 lbs. It's easy to maintain and healthier for me than 190 and above.

[ESFitness]

My doctor started me on Androgel, which made my nipples more sensitive then they already are. I took this as a sign to move on to injections...didn't want bitch tits. Like with you, at first the doc was injecting 300 mg every three weeks. This was roller coaster hell for me. I suggested weekly self injections, which continues to be the best choice.

Why would you know at 15 you'd be on test the rest of your life? My first experience with test and  Dianabol was at 18 when my doctor suggested it because I was so thin and because I had hypogonadism. Back in those ancient times, D-bol was legal and available with a doctor's prescription. He'd give me the once weekly injection of test. When I added enough pounds to be at a healthy weight, I stopped this routine. At around 30, I was into beefing up and did a three month cycle of D-bol, managing to get up to 225 lbs. Today, I feel great at 175 lbs. It's easy to maintain and healthier for me than 190 and above.

Because I grew up studying anabolic from age 14. Was picking industry chemist brains early on & had no illusions that my test would come back after I stopped.

[Primemuscle]

Because I grew up studying anabolic from age 14. Was picking industry chemist brains early on & had no illusions that my test would come back after I stopped.

So, when did you first start training? It's interesting that you studied anabolic steroids at such a young age. Did you find out about them on your own or did someone mentor you?

[LurkerNoMore]

So, when did you first start training? It's interesting that you studied anabolic steroids at such a young age. Did you find out about them on your own or did someone mentor you?

Stop dude

[Agnostic007]

Just saw my  Dr. The health insurance co I have required all patients to get no more than 5 pellets as they changed pellet companies/brand and wanted a baseline for everyone. I was getting 11 pellets and my Test was between 950 and 1100 for 2  years. the last 4 months I could tell a significant difference in mood and sex drive. Had my test tested and a week before my latest procedure it was just below 400/ I could tell. My insurance company would take two weeks to process the results so my doctor I have been seeing for 2 years donated 5 pellets to get me to 10. Next time I see him it will be back to 11. But the point is, there is a huge difference in test and how I feel at 55. 

[Primemuscle]

Stop dude

-Was not talking to you.

[deadz]

You are messing with your natural hormones.  Your own testes will permanently stop producing natural test and you will be committed to taking TRT for the rest of your life.

What makes you a man.

If you truly have a test problem, then the risk makes sense.  If you don't then you are taking an unnecessary  risk.

The doctors and pharmacists who unethically prescribe this to you don't care, they just want your money liker the gym pusher.

Anyway, I'm going to stop posting in this thread because I am becoming annoying.

WRONG

[IroNat]

WRONG

So, I should keep posting?

[Rusty Trombone]

So, I should keep posting?

Yes

[LurkerNoMore]

-Was not talking to you.

No you were not "talking" to anyone.  You were encouraging the board tale spinner to launch off on other asinine claims and stories.