The man who gave everything for the sport - Ronnie documentary

[pellius]

Ronnie Coleman taking 5x30mg oxycodone daily is just evidence of what I said:

Opiates are intended for long-term, daily use.  They are prescribed because we all have things called OPIATE RECEPTORS in our bodies, and they are not toxic to the organs.

IMO, if you are going to do a drug, and do NOT have addictive tendencies [seems like most people DO have them], then oxycodone is the drug to take.  It's much safer on the organs than any other drug.  Or...?  Name a drug that's more organ-friendly.

If you are taking oxy for a legit medical condition then what does it matter if you have addictive tendencies since you will be taking it for life? I didn't know that oxy was safe for the organs, assuming it's kidneys and liver. I use to take Alflutop for my joints. It's from Romania and you could buy it off Amazon. It's a water base inject that would go through a insulin pin. It worked. It wasn't a drug but more of a nutritional supp so zero sides. But our ever meddling nanny state government decided that they knew my body better than I do and it kept getting seized saying that it wasn't approved by the FDA. Advil/Motrin works but not Tylenol. Now after years of advil my kidneys are starting to pay the price. My doctor got me a Marijuana card but I still haven't used it. Having gone through my whole life without using weed I don't want to start now as I near 60 yrs old. If what you say is true about oxycodone then I'll hit my doctor up for that. He's an osteopath and does my TRT so he's pretty open and not uptight about alternative treatments. I mean, he was the one that suggested weed for me.

[pellius]

Thanks!  LOL at the aspirins!  

Coleman could wind up deaf from the OxyContin (ab)use.  It happened to Rush Limbaugh and he's far smarter than Coleman.  Addiction is not something to trifle with.  Couple that with Coleman's Genovan IQ and you have a recipe for a deaf cripple.


This addiction to PEDs is also crippling.  I knew more than a few people in the 70s/80s who would stop after the shows, some cold turkey and others tapered off.  They understood the risks were unknown and when dealing with the unknown it's best to err on the side of caution.

Wasn't Limbaugh taking oxy because of the hearing problems and the pain it was causing? it was the pain that got him on oxys first and not the oxys causing the deafness.

[_bruce_]

It simple - Ronnie's sacrificing himself to the endeavor he loves most in life.

[Mobil]

Youve back down from every training, bodybuilding or gym debate between us. For example (and I’m going to catch shit for this for being so petty) but when you said “to not demonstrate STRENGTH” when he was he was actually demonstrating “POWER” and deadlifts aren’t a bad thing. Heavy weights aren’t a bad thing. Why the fuck do you think he was bigger and thicker than literally everyone else? Not because of the. Drugs, it was because, unlike most, he trained heavy and hard.

i train really heavy...im not trying to toot my own horn..but im the strongest in my gym and other gyms ive belonged to. i have a thick dense muscle look from what ive heard over and over.

[Royalty]

i train really heavy...im not trying to toot my own horn..but im the strongest in my gym and other gyms ive belonged to. i have a thick dense muscle look from what ive heard over and over.

You’re fat and bloated. And women are disgusted by you.

[Mobil]

You’re fat and bloated. And women are disgusted by you.

i was at one time..now im lean and mean... and i gets the girls

[oldschoolfan]

genetics and drugs. he would still look the same if he trained with lighter weights. it's ridiculous to think training super heavy somehow gave him an advantage . . .

he could have trained with less than half the weight he did, and become mr olympia,  i think alot of that retarded shit he did was to fuel his ego and sells dvds

[The Scott]

Wasn't Limbaugh taking oxy because of the hearing problems and the pain it was causing? it was the pain that got him on oxys first and not the oxys causing the deafness.

From what I recall, Rush had chronic pain and became hooked on that stuff.  It is rare, but it can cause deafness.  He is fortunate in that he was able to get cochlear implants.  He had to learn to hear all over.  He also had to man up and admit his weakness/stupidity, which being something of a conservative beacon he did and rightly so.

[Taffin]

Bingo.

Those are the problems with opiates - it's not the toxicity of this class of drug that is the problem, it's doing exactly what you described that Ronnie is doing.

Matt

I more or less share your view.  Take anything constantly - anything - and you're probably doing some harm.  You may find this paper from the International Journal of Molecular Sciences as interesting as I did.  Despite the negative introduction it's a pretty balanced look at the evidence.  And the table on p2 that compares the strengths of these various compounds is pretty interesting too, despite missing a few for some reason.

"What Do We Know about Opioids and the Kidney?
Mary Mallappallil, Jacob Sabu, Eli A. Friedman and Moro Salifu
Department of Internal Medicine, State University of New York at Downstate, Brooklyn, New York, NY 11203,

Abstract: Evidence suggests a link between opioid use and kidney disease. This review summarizes the known renal manifestations of opioid use including its role in acute and chronic kidney injury. Both the direct and indirect effects of the drug, and the context which leads to the development of renal failure, are explored. While commonly used safely for pain control and anesthesia in those with kidney disease, the concerns with respect to side effects and toxicity of opioids are addressed. This is especially relevant with the worldwide increase in the use of opioids for medical and recreational use"

https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/18/1/223/pdf

Cross posting to the benzos thread...

[OlympiaGym]

genetics and drugs. he would still look the same if he trained with lighter weights. it's ridiculous to think training super heavy somehow gave him an advantage . . .

This. Everything else was just show business.

[Pet shop boys]

This is a movie entirely for Ronnie fans only ....( me included ) 


Show this trailer to anyone out there and  99% of people will say  "I can't feel sorry for the guy "  even BB fans .


WooSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH    TA NA KA

[Earl1972]

it's our fault too, we are all guilty

everybody enjoyed watching his "unbelievable" training video, that video was awesome because of the insane lifts, that video would've been forgotten if it was all safe machine training

we encouraged him and we all know every bodybuilder loves attention

now he's a cripple and the same people that loved that video are criticizing him

it's a disgusting side of humanity, they like you when you are on top but kick you when you are down, the same thing is happening with arnold and his long time fans

E

[Hulkster]

this pic shows it was all worth it:

[NarcissisticDeity]

this pic shows it was all worth it:

[Parker]

When was the last time we have ever seen truly defined and separated delt heads?

[WalterWhite]

I look at it this way.


Ronnie has likely been taking various drugs since he started bodybuilding.  Let's just say it's been about 30 years give or take a couple. He's also been up over 300lbs for extended periods, eaten tons of food (not all of it was healthy) and trained in that rat invested gym.

Now add to this the number of times he's awoken from anesthesia, recovery time, pain meds and continued use of gear. Never mind those ten kids or so he's put up with!

He's still here!!!

[Hulkster]

insanity

[honest]

Have to respect the man for living life on his own terms. Given a choice Ronnie wouldn't swap his legacy and current life for anyones and a lot can be said for that. Im not a huge fan and still think Dorian 93 was better, but props to the man for living life on his terms. He does look a little bit like the bodybuilders version of the wrestler at this stage, bit sad but his choice.

[flinstones1]

Decades ago Arthur Jones said that the purpose of training was to build muscle and strength, not demonstrate strength. Therefore it is unnecessary and dangerous to do heavy reps of singles or doubles. Keep the reps over 10 and do even more reps to warm up. Dorian and Ronnie both tore muscles doing extreme training with heavy weights. If you do ballistic movements with heavy weights injury will soon follow.

There was absolutely no need to do squats with over 800 pounds to build thighs. That you can lift that much doesn't mean it is wise. In retrospect those really heavy weights caused damage that can't be undone.
I made the mistake of doing a deadlift with over 500 pounds and tore a biceps. Not smart and not repairable. So, goodbye bodybuilding. I keep warning others NOT to do deadlifts but who on Getbig listens?

Wrong. Maxing out activates new satellite cells and should be done once a month 

[stingray]

when is full doco coming out and where could i view it?

[old-school-lifter]

when is full doco coming out and where could i view it?

ditto that

[efanhowz]

I’m a hospital nurse and 150mg per day Is a lot. We don’t give spine surgery patients that much. Max they can get is 10mg every 4 hours and IF they have a home routine they might add 20mg slow release x2 per day.

The side effects of oxy’s will mess you up. Opioid induced constipation happens after 1dose and the psychiatric effects will turn you into a zombie. We keep patients until they can have a bowel movement and we will have to go to crazy lengths to induce them

[AbrahamG]

Dexter Jackson

[FREAKgeek]

Ronnie had the best front double of all time.

[IroNat]

Fame is cool but arthritis and messed up joints are lousy.

He is so messed up. 

Definitely has a few screws loose.