Steve Reeves at his biggest

[The Scott]

probably got coked out 4 his homo activities as well lol

Feeling like a Jedi, are you?     IOW, the FARCE is strong in you.   I seriously doubt that Reeves did any such thing as it would not have remained a secret for all these decades.  Exempli gratia - Ric Drasin and his homo porn that recently surfaced.  Of course he claims to have been blackmailed into "performing".  Maybe he blew Chris Dickerson?  If so, he was blackmaled. LOL!

[Zillotch]

I seriously doubt that Reeves did any such thing

99.9% of hollywood actors must whore themselves to attain success.... the vast majority of bodybuilders do the same.

reeves was both, and the odds of him not suking dick at some point r super slim.

[jjfit]

Um...I don't have a bubble to burst.  I've been around too long and seen enough 'roided out pigs to know what they look like.  On top of all that, there is no evidence except for hearsay and the random "testimony" of those that did take them and wish to divert the truth of their physiques away and on to Reeves.  Example?   I do recall it being reported by Sergio Oliva that he took steroids with Reeves.  LOL!

As stated elsewhere, Reeves was well built at 16 and continued to improve over the years.  Not instantly, but over the years.  Reeves was also tall and a person that takes steroids prior to reaching puberty tends to be shorter than average because the onslaught of testosterone in a human male signals the body that maturity has been reach and the epiphyseal plates seal.  Reeves was 6' 1".  Just look at the average dope builder of today and most are much, much shorter.  And dumber.  

You can choose to believe what you want but that does not make it so.  

Sure, he would be shorter if he used roids at that early of an age, but he used them later on. Arnold had a supreme build at 15 or 16, but he still gained height.
I have seen people on gear that still look natural, and it would make sense for Reeves to take gear and still look natural to you because there wasn't an abundance of steroids back in those days. The people today shadow pin to look natural as possible but still have that edge, just like Reeves has. His muscles are so big, and he is so lean even at that height. When naturals are as lean as Reeves was, they get this deflated look, but Reeves does not have that. It is absurd to think that a cultural icon, Hollywood performer, and Bodybuilder would not be on steroids, someone whose image was a selling point. I just don't buy it. Look at guys in MMA and they are all on some gear even if they look "natural", I have seen naturals and I have seen juicers and Reeves was definitely on the sauce.

[The Scott]

99.9% of hollywood actors must whore themselves to attain success.... the vast majority of bodybuilders do the same.

reeves was both, and the odds of him not suking dick at some point r super slim.

I have a couple of friends/acquaintances that are in the film business and yes, many people do whore themselves out.  Again, there is no proof of Reeves having done so. You can believe that if you choose.  I don't.    Just as I see no proof of the existence of God.  And yet you claim to believe the Nazarene but your faith lacks (as evidenced by your language here) the earnestness that the Christ demands.       Given that concrete proof, the odds of you hearing the words, "Well done faithful servant"...are slimmer that those of Reeves ever having smoked the wang.


Welcome to the deep end of the Pool of Thought, my young friend,. 

[Zillotch]

I see no proof of the existence of God. 

everything about the construct in which u exist is clear evidence of god. u deny reality.

[The Scott]

everything about the construct in which u exist is clear evidence of god. u deny reality.

If you believed, you would do more that just talk. You would live it.  You don't.  The proof is scattered throughout the forum in the form of words.  Your words.  This is reality that is witnessed by any that come here.  Don't try to dismiss reality.  Doing so only makes you look foolish. 

I no longer believe and so I behave far differently than I did  before.  This of course is the bane of those that despise the Nazarene because I am free to strike back with fire against fire and by that I mean I can speak on their level but with far more authority than they could ever muster. 

It it's any comfort, Wiggs is without a doubt the biggest 'tard of "faith" on here. His is a god of skin color alone.  Fuck that noise.  You are better than Wiggs,  I urge you to be more than that.  It's up to you.

Not living a publicly expressed faith only belittles it.  Either live the faith or quit professing it.  You fool no one, least of all the God you profess to hold you and all of mankind accountable.  Keep it up and you'll never hear those words of welcome but rather these - "Depart from me.  I know you not."

[Zillotch]

If you believed 

you are focusing on me, while ignoring reality.

everything about the construct in which u exist is clear evidence of god. u deny reality.

[IRON CROSS]

99.9% of hollywood actors must whore themselves to attain success.... the vast majority of bodybuilders do the same.

reeves was both, and the odds of him not suking dick at some point r super slim.

YOU ARE COMPLETE MUSLIM MORON.

Ron ban this moron.

[IRON CROSS]

everything about the construct in which u exist is clear evidence of god. u deny reality.

your allah DO NOT EXIST ................

[Hypertrophy]

Sure, he would be shorter if he used roids at that early of an age, but he used them later on. Arnold had a supreme build at 15 or 16, but he still gained height.
I have seen people on gear that still look natural, and it would make sense for Reeves to take gear and still look natural to you because there wasn't an abundance of steroids back in those days. The people today shadow pin to look natural as possible but still have that edge, just like Reeves has. His muscles are so big, and he is so lean even at that height. When naturals are as lean as Reeves was, they get this deflated look, but Reeves does not have that. It is absurd to think that a cultural icon, Hollywood performer, and Bodybuilder would not be on steroids, someone whose image was a selling point. I just don't buy it. Look at guys in MMA and they are all on some gear even if they look "natural", I have seen naturals and I have seen juicers and Reeves was definitely on the sauce.

Not sure where people get the notion Reeves was on steroids . He pretty much ended his bodybuilding career in the early 50's. He became Mr. Universe in 1950 and quickly went into movies. The only steroid available, if he indeed he could get it, was testosterone propionate and administered by injection. Unless Reeves was on the Soviet weight lifting team, which started secretly using it in the mid 40's,  how would he know about it?  The epicenter of US weight lifting was in York, PA at the time and even they didn't get turned on to testosterone until Dr. John Ziegler started giving it to them in the mid 50's.
 
The first commercially available synthetic steroids were Norethandrolone, marketed in 1956 by Searle as Nilevar and Methandrostenolone, marketed as Dianabol, by Ciba. So about 5+ years after Reeve's hangs it up as a competitive bodybuilder, he starts juicing to look even smaller than he did when he competed?

Face it- the guy was a genetic marvel as far as shape goes but size wise he wasn't anywhere near as big as later guys who used. He had a chest of just under 50", measured at his biggest in 1950 at a contest. We all know the average GetBigger has a chest 5" larger than that...

[Zillotch]

YOU ARE COMPLETE MUSLIM MORON.

calling me a muslim does not hurt my feelings, tard... being honest about reeves, on the other hand... seems to very much hurt yours lol

proving.. that truth hurts

[Zillotch]

Not sure where people get the notion Reeves was on steroids. He pretty much ended his bodybuilding career in the early 50's.

cuz of photo evidence. why did he balloon up so much later on? why wasnt he able to achieve that size during his competitive days?

[jjfit]

Not sure where people get the notion Reeves was on steroids . He pretty much ended his bodybuilding career in the early 50's. He became Mr. Universe in 1950 and quickly went into movies. The only steroid available, if he indeed he could get it, was testosterone propionate and administered by injection. Unless Reeves was on the Soviet weight lifting team, which started secretly using it in the mid 40's,  how would he know about it?  The epicenter of US weight lifting was in York, PA at the time and even they didn't get turned on to testosterone until Dr. John Ziegler started giving it to them in the mid 50's.
 
The first commercially available synthetic steroids were Norethandrolone, marketed in 1956 by Searle as Nilevar and Methandrostenolone, marketed as Dianabol, by Ciba. So about 5+ years after Reeve's hangs it up as a competitive bodybuilder, he starts juicing to look even smaller than he did when he competed?

Face it- the guy was a genetic marvel as far as shape goes but size wise he wasn't anywhere near as big as later guys who used. He had a chest of just under 50", measured at his biggest in 1950 at a contest. We all know the average GetBigger has a chest 5" larger than that...

http://nattyornot.com/steve-reeves-really-natural-bodybuilder/

quote from someone on bbing website: "Sorry, it wasn't Reg Park. It was Larry Scott who talked about Steve Reeves introducing him to D-bol. So we have Kurt Marnul and Larry Scott who were both introduced to D-bol by 'natural' Steve Reeves.

EDIT: Sergio has also gone on record saying Reeves used steroids. I don't think Reeves introduced them to him though. "

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=397811.0

According to Bob Kennedy who was very close to Steve , Reeves did use as with the majority of the old timers but who cares if they did?

They took nowhere the amount of stuff the guys take today.

Testosterone has been around alot longer than you think ,Hitler used it on his troops who were stationed on The Russian front during WW2.
Dinabol came on the scene in the  mid 50s but Dinabol was born from other compounds remember.

For you "Natural" guys out there jumping up and down , try training as Steeve did 3 times a week full body 2-3 exercises per bodypart at high intensity coupled with bike riding up hills for calf/leg work ,follow steves diet then report back here with your progress and tell me he didnt use some sort of chemical support.

[Griffith]

cuz of photo evidence. why did he balloon up so much later on? why wasnt he able to achieve that size during his competitive days?

Which year is that photo? That will give a better idea whether he could have been using there or not.

[MAXX]

Which year is that photo? That will give a better idea whether he could have been using there or not.

1957

[Griffith]

1957

That would be too early for dianabol?

[IRON CROSS]

calling me a muslim does not hurt my feelings, tard... being honest about reeves, on the other hand... seems to very much hurt yours lol

proving.. that truth hurts

how is pedo allah ..............

[The Scott]

That would be too early for dianabol?

I believe he was 31 years old at that time.  Looks like a lifetime of physical culture to me.  So many are jealous and want it to be drugs. Pffft!  Most men are far bigger at 31 than they were at 21.  In Reeves case it wasn't bigger by being fatter.  

There has only been one Steve Reeves.  Unlike the liars of today (and pretty much since the mid 60s on), it really was genetics and hard work with Reeves.  

[Zillotch]

how is pedo allah ..............

u tell me phaggot... since allah is for satanic beanpole arabs, like u

[Bevo]

I believe he was 31 years old at that time.  Looks like a lifetime of physical culture to me.  So many are jealous and want it to be drugs. Pffft!  Most men are far bigger at 31 than they were at 21.  In Reeves case it wasn't bigger by being fatter.  

There has only been one Steve Reeves.  Unlike the liars of today (and pretty much since the mid 60s on), it really was genetics and hard work with Reeves.  

I wonder how many of today’s bbers are truly elite genetics? By that I mean zero drugs just lifting and eating and see what they can achieve as a true natural. Many bs claims about how the Olympia stage these guys without drugs are still better than 99 percent of the population is horseshit

Training natural vs enhanced are completely different and from my experience around bbers for a few decades some make gains quickly as naturals and but slow gains while drugs and vice versa, response is the key and tolerance, some can do it and some are so so

Plus all these top bbers are 5’5 to 5’9 max, naturally they are very small aligned with their natural height and weight

It really is all drugs and most downplay that

[Hypertrophy]

https://juicedmuscle.com/jmblog/content/dianabolr-history-use-and-dosages

Probably one of the best articles I’ve read on the introduction of synthetic steroids to the bodybuilding and weightlifting world. Believe what you want- those on here who can’t get muscular lifting naturally will always claim anyone who can must be on drugs, lol.

[jr]

That would be too early for dianabol?

Testosterone was isolated in 1935 and testosterone propionate was being tested in human trials in 1937. Methyl test was also available since then and there were ads in the back of magazines in the 1940s and 50s selling methyl test pills.



This book was written in 1945:

https://www.amazon.com/male-hormone-Paul-Kruif/dp/B0007DOTCK

"In this thrilling scientific detective story Paul de Kruif tells of the male hormone's rise from its original sexual dis-reputability to its present promise of lifting the total vitality of mankind. The male hormone discloses magic far beyond the merely sexual. It boosts muscle power. It banishes mental fatigue. It eases heart pain. It even restores the sanity of men in midlife who suffer from male hormone hunger. Just as chemicals renew worn-out soil, so the male hormone seems to renew the tissues of aging men. The book is elaborately documented with numerous case histories, dramatic, touching and humorous. These hormone hunters are shown by Paul de Kruif as a new breed of men against death, fighting not physical demise but the far sadder living death of premature old age."


Here's the table of contents of this book that was written in 1945:



You don't think bodybuilders back then would not have known and experimented wiith testosterone?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Testosterone was isolated in 1935 and testosterone propionate was being tested in human trials in 1937. Methyl test was also available since then and there were ads in the back of magazines in the 1940s and 50s selling methyl test pills.



This book was written in 1945:

https://www.amazon.com/male-hormone-Paul-Kruif/dp/B0007DOTCK

"In this thrilling scientific detective story Paul de Kruif tells of the male hormone's rise from its original sexual dis-reputability to its present promise of lifting the total vitality of mankind. The male hormone discloses magic far beyond the merely sexual. It boosts muscle power. It banishes mental fatigue. It eases heart pain. It even restores the sanity of men in midlife who suffer from male hormone hunger. Just as chemicals renew worn-out soil, so the male hormone seems to renew the tissues of aging men. The book is elaborately documented with numerous case histories, dramatic, touching and humorous. These hormone hunters are shown by Paul de Kruif as a new breed of men against death, fighting not physical demise but the far sadder living death of premature old age."


Here's the table of contents of this book that was written in 1945:



You don't think bodybuilders back then would not have known and experimented wiith testosterone?

Yeah , no.

So what can we gather from all of this? First of all, no bodybuilder or lifter was using synthetic steroids before 1956 - they didn't exist. Most likely, only the very highest level West Coast bodybuilders knew of them by 1958. From there it seems that knowledge of Nilevar and Dianabol to build muscle and strength was kept relatively in the closet until the early 1960s. After all, Hoffman did not want outside athletes to know his lifters' secrets and he was using their sudden gains via Dianabol to promote his supplement line and isometric training courses and racks. Bill Starr wrote that until he was a national calibre lifter with York in the early 1960s he had never heard of steroids. Reg Park (Mr. Universe 1951, 1958, 1965) said that the first he heard of them were in connection with rumours about East German and Soviet athletes during the 1960 Olympics, though he later heard of "steroids" being used on British POWs from Singapore in WWII as they were being nursed back to health in Australian hospitals. Chet Yorton (Mr. America 1966, Mr. Universe 1966, 1975) has said that he first heard of steroids (Nilevar) in 1964, and decided not to risk using them - Yorton went on to become one of the sports most outspoken campaigners against steroid use and founder of the first drug-tested, natural bodybuilding federation. The condition of national and world level bodybuilders appears to have taken a visible leap between 1960 to 1964.

As for testosterone itself, Paul de Kruif's 1945 book "The Male Hormone" is often cited as "proof" that bodybuilders knew of and were using testosterone in the 1940s. But even though testosterone had been identified by researchers and isolated in laboratory settings as early as the 1930s, it didn't receive FDA approval as a prescription drug until 1950 and, therefore, injectable testosterone was produced only sporadically and in small batches for research purposes, before that time. De Kruif himself made no clear connection between testosterone use and possible athletic applications, though he did briefly raise the question if it could surpass the effects of large vitamin doses in baseball players - aside from this single sentence, his arguments were purely from the perspective of using testosterone to restore the vitality and health of hypogonadal and aging men.

It has been said that John Grimek, upon reading publications such as de Kruif's, was inquiring about testosterone in the 1940s. But he would have had nothing other than a possible hunch that it could be used for athletic purposes, and no source or opportunity to experiment with it. There were, in fact, two companies in California advertising "genuine testosterone" tablets through mail order in the late 1940s, but were ordered to stop by the FDA in early-to-mid 1951 when regulations to control the distribution of controlled substances were tightened. It was well known by researchers at that time, however, that the liver effectively clears almost all orally ingested testosterone within seconds, even very large doses (clearance rate of 24.5mg/min/kg), so these tablets would have produced no effects even if they did contain crystalline testosterone. The low bioavailability of oral testosterone is precisely why injections were used in early research and why synthetic steroids were eventually developed.

It wasn't until 1954/1955 with Ziegler, that Grimek wrote of getting his first testosterone injections. It stands to reason that if even Grimek had no access to bioavailable testosterone before 1954-55 and no knowledge of other top level bodybuilders or lifters using it before then - and as editor of Strength and Health magazine and second in command at York he certainly was in a position to know - then it is very unlikely that anyone in the west was effectively using testosterone for athletic/physique purposes before late 1954/1955. Given that these early experiments were unsuccessful and brief (likely because they knew little about dosing for increased strength and muscle mass), it is most likely that the first western bodybuilders began steroid use not with testosterone itself, but with Nilevar, sometime after 1956 to 1958. From there, Dianabol enters the picture at the elite level and by 1964 even the muscle magazines, such as Iron Man, were writing about what they called the "tissue building drugs".

For a western bodybuilder or lifter to be using testosterone before late 1954/1955 he would had to have known more about the biochemistry of testosterone and it's potential athletic effects than any western sports physician - and have had access to what was then a relatively rarely used prescription drug. He would also had to have known more about how to effectively dose it than John Ziegler, who would go on to co-develop Dianabol just a few years later. Nobody in the west can say for sure exactly when the Soviets began using testosterone, but the likely date is sometime before October 1954 and possibly as early as 1952.

As mentioned, injectable testosterone was first approved for prescription as a cancer, wasting and burn treatment in the U.S. in 1950. Before that it was available for research purposes only, with the FDA tightening regulations and enforcement in the early 1950s. Ads for "genuine testosterone tablets" were placed in national newspapers by two California companies from 1946 to 1951, but the actual ingredients of these tablets were uncontrolled, cannot be verified, and due to the body's clearance rate oral testosterone would be inconsequential anyway. For a bodybuilder to be effectively using testosterone before 1950 he would not only had to have known more about the biochemistry, dosing and potential athletic applications of it than anybody else in the world (including the research scientists working with it), but also have had access to what was then an experimental drug, isolated in limited amounts for controlled research purposes, and not produced in quantity for a public or prescription market. "Snake oil" ads for testosterone tablets, even if they contained what was advertised (which in itself was vague), would not have significantly impacted blood testosterone levels due to the liver's massive testosterone clearance rate and cannot be considered a reliable source.

For these reasons it can be stated with near certainty that Steve Reeves, Clancy Ross, John Grimek, Jack Delinger, Reg Park, John Farbotnik, George Eiferman, etc - who all won major physique titles before the Soviets began using testosterone and before synthetic steroids were introduced in 1956 - were not using bioavailable testosterone or synthetic steroids at the time of their Mr. America, Mr. USA and Mr. Universe wins. Furthermore, it is unlikely that any major title winner was a steroid user before 1957-58 (Pearl won the Mr. USA and Mr. Universe titles in 1956 before his knowledge of Nilevar). Some athletes' careers from the era, such as Reg Park's, do span the introduction of steroids into bodybuilding. In Park's case, he weighed 226 lbs when he won the Mr. Britain title in 1949, 214 lbs when he won the Mr. Universe title in 1951, 215 lbs when he won it the second time in 1958, and 216 lbs when he placed 3rd in 1971 (at age 43 - he returned again in 1973 to place 2nd). If Park did jump on the steroid bandwagon when he learned of them in 1960, then they produced one pound of muscle in 11 years for him.

[jjfit]

Testosterone was isolated in 1935 and testosterone propionate was being tested in human trials in 1937. Methyl test was also available since then and there were ads in the back of magazines in the 1940s and 50s selling methyl test pills.



This book was written in 1945:

https://www.amazon.com/male-hormone-Paul-Kruif/dp/B0007DOTCK

"In this thrilling scientific detective story Paul de Kruif tells of the male hormone's rise from its original sexual dis-reputability to its present promise of lifting the total vitality of mankind. The male hormone discloses magic far beyond the merely sexual. It boosts muscle power. It banishes mental fatigue. It eases heart pain. It even restores the sanity of men in midlife who suffer from male hormone hunger. Just as chemicals renew worn-out soil, so the male hormone seems to renew the tissues of aging men. The book is elaborately documented with numerous case histories, dramatic, touching and humorous. These hormone hunters are shown by Paul de Kruif as a new breed of men against death, fighting not physical demise but the far sadder living death of premature old age."


Here's the table of contents of this book that was written in 1945:



You don't think bodybuilders back then would not have known and experimented wiith testosterone?

No one cares about any evidence or lack of, if they want to believe bodybuilders/hollywood actors don't use drugs or  steroids then let them. It's not like the elite whose sole purpose of being famous is aesthetics can get drugs or steroids, even back then! No, isn't possible!

[NarcissisticDeity]

No one cares about any evidence or lack of, if they want to believe bodybuilders/hollywood actors don't use drugs or  steroids then let them. It's not like the elite whose sole purpose of being famous is aesthetics can get drugs or steroids, even back then! No, isn't possible!

None of that is evidence. There is a well established time-line of people using PEDs Reeves predates this.