JESUS - Man or GOD ?

[Johnny Apollo]

actually, you're not comprehending, bro.  i'm asking if you see treat one another's mental illnesses/anxieties since is your trade?  i thought you were an archeologist though?  so which one is it? 

HAHA!

i'm asking if you see treat one another's mental illnesses/anxieties since is your trade?

I rest my case....


No,I'm not a psychiatrist. That doesn't mean I can't work alongside people who do work as psychiatrists.

[Colossus_500]

still didn't answer the question.   

[Butterbean]

And I'm 100% black and 100% white! 


 
Oh wait,That makes 200%. Which isn't possible!


 

You're 100% black and 100% white



Hmmmm....my dog is 100% border collie and 100% female......

That's not 200%

[Butterbean]

Is english your 2nd langauge? You seem to have trouble understanding it.


Do you even know what a colegue is?

 
I don't know what a colegue is....................do you mean colleague?

[alexxx]

Humbleness is all that comes out of me. 

[War-Horse]

humbleness is not a word

Alexxx has the right to create it.

[alexxx]

Alexxx has the right to create it.

 

[Oldschool Flip]

Humbleness is all that comes out of me. 

Along with CATTLE DEFICATION!

[alexxx]

Along with CATTLE DEFICATION!

Lets keep this thread honorable shall we.

[Oldschool Flip]

Lets keep this thread honorable shall we.

Guess that means you're LEAVING!

[alexxx]

Guess that means you're LEAVING!

 

[Mr. Intenseone]

HAHA!

I rest my case....


No,I'm not a psychiatrist. That doesn't mean I can't work alongside people who do work as psychiatrists.

Are you a patient ??

[njflex]

He was born of the virgin mary and became man.

[Johnny Apollo]

You're 100% black and 100% white



Hmmmm....my dog is 100% border collie and 100% female......

That's not 200%

It was a joke. You can't be 200% contradicting things. Border collie and female aren't contradicting. Black and White are.
Either you're 100% black or 100% white or somewhere inbetween.

It's like saying "100% border collie,100% Chow-Chow". Or "100% male,100% female".

[Johnny Apollo]

He was born of the virgin mary and became man.

I mentioned this already. This doesn't come from the bible it comes from the Apostles creed of the Nicene Creed.(300 years after the last book of the bible was written)

[Butterbean]

Is english your 2nd langauge? You seem to have trouble understanding it.


Do you even know what a colegue is?

I don't know what a colegue is     ....did you mean colleague?

[Butterbean]

I mentioned this already. This doesn't come from the bible it comes from the Apostles creed of the Nicene Creed.(300 years after the last book of the bible was written)

Matthew 1:23:  The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel

Also covered in Luke 1:30 - 35

[Johnny Apollo]

I don't know what a colegue is     ....did you mean colleague?

Yes english IS my 2nd language.

[Johnny Apollo]

Matthew 1:23:  The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel

Also covered in Luke 1:30 - 35

Matthew 1:23 is being written by a jew who is adding the "miracle" aspect to jesus's birth as I mentioned in earlier threads.  The gospel was composed between 80-100 A.D. which would of been about 2 generations after jesus supposedly died.
The authors of the gospels tried to make it seem as if Jesus was some kind of divine being being born to a virgin. This however was taken from Pagan mythology(See horus egyptian god). This gets us back to where we started, What jesus HIMSELF said.


Luke 1:30-35 doesn't mention anything about "Immanuel" or implying jesus is God.

[GET_BIGGER]

The Book of Isaiah was written by the Prophet Isaiah around 700 BC in which he prophesied the virgin birth of Jesus.

"Isaiah 7:14

Isaiah told King Ahaz, and the people of Judah, that God himself
would give them a sign or miracle. He then recorded it in Isaiah
7:14-16. Isaiah said an "almah," would become pregnant and give
birth to a son who would be called Immanuel. "Almah" refers to a
virgin, or an unmarried young woman who was expected to be a virgin
until after she was married. He also said that both the kings Ahaz
feared, would be gone before the baby boy was old enough to chose
between right and wrong.

I believe this prophecy had a dual fulfillment. The first fulfillment
was when Isaiah went into his "almah," or young wife, who was a
virgin until then, and she conceived and gave birth to a baby boy.
Isaiah 8:3-4. What was the miracle King Ahaz would see? Was it that an
"almah" young woman would conceive and give birth to a son? Certainly
not! Thousands of young women surely became pregnant and gave birth at
this time. A baby boy being born at this time would be no sign or
miracle to King Ahaz. What would be a sign or miracle to Ahaz was
that both the kings he feared, would be gone before the baby boy was
old enough to pick between right and wrong. This would show Ahaz
that the prophecy had come from God.

Isaiah 7:14 also predicted the birth of the Messiah. It prophecied
that a "almah" or virgin would conceive and give birth to a baby boy
who would be called Immanuel. The second and greater fulfillment
of this prophecy occured when Jesus was born. When Jesus was born an
"almah" in this case "virgin" conceived and gave birth to a son who
was called among other things "Immanuel." Mathew 1:18-25. For a
virgin to give birth is a miracle or sign. It is no miracle for a
young woman to conceive and give birth, but it is a miracle or sign
for a virgin to conceive and give birth. Jesus's virgin birth was
the sign or miracle God promised in Isaiah 7:14. In "Encyclopedia of
Bible Difficulties" Gleason Archer also argues that this prophecy
had a dual fulfillment involving a type of messiah as well as the
real messiah."


http://www.trustbible.com/jesus.htm

[GET_BIGGER]

It seems I missed the original discusion but I suppose that is the nature of forums .

Regarding the debate on Holy Trinity I think that there is strong argument that Jesus and God are separate entities . For example in Mathew 4:1-2 "Then Jesus was led by the spirit up into the wilderness to be tempted by the Devil.  After he had fasted forty days and forty nights, then he felt hungry." Surely you can not argue that Satan would tempt his creator ( Jehovah ) .

And then in Mathew 4:8-10 "Again the devil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, and he said to him:  All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.  Then Jesus said to him:  God away Satan! For it is written, It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone, you must render sacred service." If Jesus was GOD (Jehovah ) then why did he not say to Satan "It is me whom you must worship" ?

There are many more examples if you look .

Satan was cast down from heaven because he wanted to be higher than God, I don't think he would have any problem trying to tempt Him.

[Butterbean]

Yes english IS my 2nd language.

I didn't ask you if english was your 2nd language. 

I asked you if you meant colleague when you posted "colegue."  No harm meant in that.



You asked Colossus if english was his 2nd language.

...shall we assume that you were sincere and not trying to be a smart ass about it?

Meanwhile, even for those people that consider english their first language, no one is perfect in anything.  .................just another reason for needing a savior!

[Johnny Apollo]

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

The Book of Isaiah was written by the Prophet Isaiah around 700 BC in which he prophesied the virgin birth of Jesus.

"Isaiah 7:14

Isaiah told King Ahaz, and the people of Judah, that God himself
would give them a sign or miracle. He then recorded it in Isaiah
7:14-16. Isaiah said an "almah," would become pregnant and give
birth to a son who would be called Immanuel. "Almah" refers to a
virgin, or an unmarried young woman who was expected to be a virgin
until after she was married. He also said that both the kings Ahaz
feared, would be gone before the baby boy was old enough to chose
between right and wrong.

I believe this prophecy had a dual fulfillment. The first fulfillment
was when Isaiah went into his "almah," or young wife, who was a
virgin until then, and she conceived and gave birth to a baby boy.
Isaiah 8:3-4. What was the miracle King Ahaz would see? Was it that an
"almah" young woman would conceive and give birth to a son? Certainly
not! Thousands of young women surely became pregnant and gave birth at
this time. A baby boy being born at this time would be no sign or
miracle to King Ahaz. What would be a sign or miracle to Ahaz was
that both the kings he feared, would be gone before the baby boy was
old enough to pick between right and wrong. This would show Ahaz
that the prophecy had come from God.

Have you ever heard the term "Self fulfilling prophecy"? The whole "virgin birth" idea is actually THOUSANDS of years old. It comes from the ancient egyptian myths about Horus the son of the sun god being born to a virgin. This is where the hebrews got it. The hebrews claimed it would occur with the hebrew god in Issiah. Then in the new testament hundreds of years later you've got this jewish guy named jesus preaching things the authors of the new testament liked. So they attributed this old prophecy to jesus. Jesus himself never once implied he was God. ONLY the authors of the N.T. claimed he was God. They stole the prophecy and applied it to jesus thus making it a "self fulfiling prophecy" in the bible.

Isaiah 7:14 also predicted the birth of the Messiah. It prophecied
that a "almah" or virgin would conceive and give birth to a baby boy
who would be called Immanuel. The second and greater fulfillment
of this prophecy occured when Jesus was born. When Jesus was born an
"almah" in this case "virgin" conceived and gave birth to a son who
was called among other things "Immanuel." Mathew 1:18-25. For a
virgin to give birth is a miracle or sign. It is no miracle for a
young woman to conceive and give birth, but it is a miracle or sign
for a virgin to conceive and give birth. Jesus's virgin birth was
the sign or miracle God promised in Isaiah 7:14. In "Encyclopedia of
Bible Difficulties" Gleason Archer also argues that this prophecy
had a dual fulfillment involving a type of messiah as well as the
real messiah."


http://www.trustbible.com/jesus.htm

There is absolutely zero evidence Jesus was born to a virgin other than the claims of the authors of the N.T. The virgin birth idea was applied to jesus BY these authors living generations after jesus died to make it seem as if jesus was somehow special. I've mentioned this before. They stole the old hebrew prophecy(taken from old pagan prophecies) and applied it to Jesus. They basically said "Hey,This guy sounds smart and has some good things to say..Wouldn't it be great if he fit the prophecy?" So they wrote it down in their little manuscripts that he did fit the prophecy. When in reality even the authors could not of possibly known if Mary was a virgin when she had Jesus or not. 2,000 years ago there was NO possibility to determine if someone was a virgin or not. Mary could of easily had sex with jesus's father and lied about it..It was a common occurence back then considering the laws of the time.

[Johnny Apollo]

Meanwhile, even for those people that consider english their first language, no one is perfect in anything.  .................just another reason for needing a savior!

Oh,Jesus can help you spell now?



 

[Butterbean]

Oh,Jesus can help you spell now?



 

Of course He can.  And of course my point was that no one is perfect.

This includes everyone....even people who point at perceived mistakes make mistakes of their own......

Get it Johnny?  I think you understand.